Economics Socialism: The Failed Idea That Never Dies

Cherico

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I disagree. There's an iron law of oligarchy that, whenever a group of people gather, there will always be a small group of elites at the top deciding everything.

We must also keep in mind that the modern man is taught what to think by large apparatuses - mass media, mass education, etc. - that control many aspects of our lives. These factors, I believe, lead me to conclude that "the People" don't actually decide things.
For the most part people are content to live their lives as long as the goverment does a good enough job and isnt too control freaky people dont care but when things get fucked up they do change things and that can either be done peacefully or violently.
 

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For the most part people are content to live their lives as long as the goverment does a good enough job and isnt too control freaky people dont care but when things get fucked up they do change things and that can either be done peacefully or violently.
Yes, most people are blind to the power dynamics around them. That doesn’t mean that they don’t matter.
 

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Well then, if you don’t believe in God what have you as hope?

Either the cessation of hope under nihilism, or the belief utopia can be achieved under human striving and effort.
Yourself and your own abilities. Belife in God is not required to not be a nihilist.
 

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Maybe. But you have to admit that atheism is strongly inclined towards nihilism, especially in the modern day.
Sure because most people are weak. Doesn't mean it had to be that way. I'd also say that alot maybe even the majority of socialists. Aren't actually athiests (don't believe in God) but are anti-thiest (hate God, specifically theChristanss God) which aren't really the same. I'd also go as far as to say Alot maybe most of the lefts "athiesm". Is just another example of think veiled anti-western culture,hence never attacking Islam,Buddism, etc.
 

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Sure because most people are weak. Doesn't mean it had to be that way. I'd also say that alot maybe even the majority of socialists. Aren't actually athiests (don't believe in God) but are anti-thiest (hate God, specifically theChristanss God) which aren't really the same. I'd also go as far as to say Alot maybe most of the lefts "athiesm". Is just another example of think veiled anti-western culture,hence never attacking Islam,Buddism, etc.
Well, militant anti-theists do belong to a religion. A godless one, but a religion nonetheless.
 

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I agree but those types are usally the Socialists.
Well, if you look at the anti-theist narrative, it does fall in line with a lot of the SJW propaganda.

Just look at the narrative: a virtuous but oppressed minority has long be suppressed by the evil majority for irrational reasons? Am I talking about anti-theists and Christians or Africans and Europeans?
 

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Is just another example of think veiled anti-western culture,hence never attacking Islam,Buddism, etc.
Kinda long since this post was made, but honestly, I think even this may fall into tiers of a sorta

The Dalai Lhama is against the mass muslim migration and I don't think they like even knowing or remembering that he's against stuff like that

And I've occasionally seen that Japan looks to be something considered "too Conservative" and with a love for entertainment content that "Isn't getting with the times" the SJW way

As such, I think even non-whites may get "unpersonned" in the minds of SJWs if they stray too far or don't praise the Western Far Left or pay lip service to ideas or don't attack "Nazi's" enough. China wins a pass because of the whole "globalism" thing and having that beloved Socialist or Centralized/Command Economy thing
 

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Another thing that socialists often play on, is perceived injustice.

It's so effective, because for everyone it's true that you have had at least some injustice inflicted on you in life. It is popular in this day and age to imagine there's a great deal more inflicted on you than actually is. Also, it's easy to fall into victim mentality even just off of legitimate grievances you have; I know I've struggled with this myself.

Of course, socialism generally just takes whatever wrong was committed, and make sure more people suffer it and usually to worse degrees, but hey, that's what propaganda is for!
 

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Well, if you look at the anti-theist narrative, it does fall in line with a lot of the SJW propaganda.

Just look at the narrative: a virtuous but oppressed minority has long be suppressed by the evil majority for irrational reasons? Am I talking about anti-theists and Christians or Africans and Europeans?
Whiteness=original sin
 

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I bought from Amazon a pretty much $0.00-0.99 online copy of The Communist Manifesto and just finished reading it

And I gotta say.....Marx looks to at some points sound really sane or reasonable and even says how much the Bourgeoisie have done for the world

Then he keeps going on as if the Bourgeoisie are a completely static system of idiots who'll fail to adapt

He acknowledges that increased advances in technology are a thing, but he doesn't look to take into account how things like Child Labor would be rendered unnecessary by it eventually as it is impractical

He also seems to think that the working class will never really improve much outside of being stuck in some dead-end-jobs, as if they're not smarter than they look or could get smarter with time out of necessity

I mean, those machines may need increasingly smarter people to operate

Going back to the Bourgeoise, he acknowledged again that they weren't all bad, he even said something called "Bourgeois Socialism" was a thing

Which he said was basically "Bourgeois" types NOT being in conflict with the Proletariat and actively ruling/managing society for said Proletariat's good.....even when he's speaking of them relatively negatively he still sounds like he's wishing for some ideal "Philosopher Kings"

"Bourgeois Socialism attains adequate expression, when, and only when, it becomes a mere figure of speech.

"Free trade: for the benefit of the working class. Protective duties: for the benefit of the working class. Prison Reform: for the benefit of the working class. This is the last word and the only seriously meant word of bourgeois socialism. It is summed up in the phrase: the bourgeois is a bourgeois—for the benefit of the working class."

Bourgeois Socialism right there is how I think those Totalitarian States can get "flexible" and you end up with countries like China that even with "free markets" have States with iron grips and control

Then there's his points regarding Communism sorta transcending Nations....I think there are still differences between different countrymen to account for that'd take a long while to disappear

Hell, I think he'd be against Homeschooling and Self-Online Education on the basis of it somehow being Bourgeoise and that you can't trust anyone "Bourgeoise" with their kids



Before any of you guys ask, I read it after a suggestion from a guy on r/AnarchoCapitalism who recommended it alongside reading stuff from Adam Smith and Fredrick Douglass

It's pretty easy to know why the idea of Socialism never dies if you only read from Marx's rather pessimistic perspective
 
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