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So. I'm sure this fellow needs no introduction, but in case one is desired, here. Chuck Sonnenburg, an old school veteran of the alt.startrek.vs.starwars Usenet Newsgroup of the late 90s and early 00s, started text reviews of Voyager back in the 90s and went on to do Enterprise when it came out. He participated for several years on Stardestroyer.net's web forum, as it was effectively the successor to ASVS after Usenet began to decline.

Toward 2008, with the rise of YouTube and people posting online video reviews, Chuck decided to transfer his old text reviews into video format for multiple reasons, including making it easier for people to, say, listen while doing other things. He started and mostly focused on Voyager with occasional Enterprise episodes, using clips of episodes with audio commentary and humor. "Serious Analysis, Silly Behavior" was the phrase to describe his approach, and he gained a following on SDN and eventually elsewhere on YouTube as he picked apart bad Voyager and Enterprise episodes while praising those he felt deserved it. He also adopted some customs and traditions: every Christmas would be the worst episode of a series ,for instance, and he got a lot of humor out of depicting Janeway as "Crazy Janeway", a comic book mad scientist megalomaniac who tortures her crew for her own amusement and for science while plotting to conquer all. (There are other comical takes on other characters, and also serious takes - his analysis of Janeway isn't always for comedy but showing what he felt was the beating down of her character to the point he wondered if she was becoming a Death Seeker by the end of the series).

Eventually YouTube started blocking his videos on copyright claims, because Hollywood considers Fair Use laws to be something to wipe its ass with, so he went to content hosts, starting with Blip. Additionally, facing a lot of requests for other content - and starting DS9 and TNG to follow Q's arc for his Voyager appearances - he opened up the consideration of requests as well as inviting donations to keep his show going.

His user base also expanded, aided by word of mouth and being promoted by other online reviewers - Confused Matthew and Linkara particularly - and he started to expand to more and more shows and programs. Everything from the 80s Howard the Duck movie to "The Two Towers" appeared, and eventually anime became a big thing for people to request (especially after his clear enjoyment of "Puella Magi Madoka Magica" in 2013).

He also took a stab at documentaries. The biggest is the 13-part "Rise and Fall of the Comic Empire" from summer of 2015, an examination of the comic book boom and bust of the 1990s that saw the comic book industry nearly die out. He also did a three part series on the creation of the Transformers franchise and has done three six-part series on George Lucas' career and the making of "Star Wars": "Hero's Journey" for the first Star Wars, "Shadow's Journey" for the rest of the OT and the decisions and events that shaped his life and decision to stop making SW movies after ROTJ, and then "Hermit's Journey" for the time leading up to the Prequels, the PT itself, and then what came afterward and his ultimate sale of Lucasfilms and the SW rights to Disney.

For a time, from 2014 to early 2018, he was a part of Channel Awesome, and to this day comic book reviewer Linkara (Lewis Lovhaug) occasionally posts on the SFDebris web forums. Which, disclaimer, I'm an administrator of (although it's not a very demanding job).

Anyway, now that I've gotten that look at his material out of the way, I have to say this: I consider Chuck to be the pinnacle of what an online reviewer is, and more than that, he's a great guy whose work appeals to me personally. He's not perfect and he knows it, and he's not naive about the problems facing people, but he promotes optimism all the same. The idea that we can rise above our flaws, to be, as the late Sir Terry put it, "the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape". He is capable of presenting ideas even if he doesn't agree with them and promotes understanding and working out differences.

And in our world, we need that kind of beacon. It's why I'm a patreon supporter of his show.

Anyway, I hope his other fans speak up with their views, and of course we can use this thread to discuss his reviews as they come along. He's still cleaning up from a server host change for the web site, as it is.
 
I loved his series on the history of comics, as well as the one he did on Transformers; I hope he can find the time to do more videos like that.
 
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So. I'm sure this fellow needs no introduction, but in case one is desired, here. Chuck Sonnenburg, an old school veteran of the alt.startrek.vs.starwars Usenet Newsgroup of the late 90s and early 00s, started text reviews of Voyager back in the 90s and went on to do Enterprise when it came out. He participated for several years on Stardestroyer.net's web forum, as it was effectively the successor to ASVS after Usenet began to decline.

Toward 2008, with the rise of YouTube and people posting online video reviews, Chuck decided to transfer his old text reviews into video format for multiple reasons, including making it easier for people to, say, listen while doing other things. He started and mostly focused on Voyager with occasional Enterprise episodes, using clips of episodes with audio commentary and humor. "Serious Analysis, Silly Behavior" was the phrase to describe his approach, and he gained a following on SDN and eventually elsewhere on YouTube as he picked apart bad Voyager and Enterprise episodes while praising those he felt deserved it. He also adopted some customs and traditions: every Christmas would be the worst episode of a series ,for instance, and he got a lot of humor out of depicting Janeway as "Crazy Janeway", a comic book mad scientist megalomaniac who tortures her crew for her own amusement and for science while plotting to conquer all. (There are other comical takes on other characters, and also serious takes - his analysis of Janeway isn't always for comedy but showing what he felt was the beating down of her character to the point he wondered if she was becoming a Death Seeker by the end of the series).

Eventually YouTube started blocking his videos on copyright claims, because Hollywood considers Fair Use laws to be something to wipe its ass with, so he went to content hosts, starting with Blip. Additionally, facing a lot of requests for other content - and starting DS9 and TNG to follow Q's arc for his Voyager appearances - he opened up the consideration of requests as well as inviting donations to keep his show going.

His user base also expanded, aided by word of mouth and being promoted by other online reviewers - Confused Matthew and Linkara particularly - and he started to expand to more and more shows and programs. Everything from the 80s Howard the Duck movie to "The Two Towers" appeared, and eventually anime became a big thing for people to request (especially after his clear enjoyment of "Puella Magi Madoka Magica" in 2013).

He also took a stab at documentaries. The biggest is the 13-part "Rise and Fall of the Comic Empire" from summer of 2015, an examination of the comic book boom and bust of the 1990s that saw the comic book industry nearly die out. He also did a three part series on the creation of the Transformers franchise and has done three six-part series on George Lucas' career and the making of "Star Wars": "Hero's Journey" for the first Star Wars, "Shadow's Journey" for the rest of the OT and the decisions and events that shaped his life and decision to stop making SW movies after ROTJ, and then "Hermit's Journey" for the time leading up to the Prequels, the PT itself, and then what came afterward and his ultimate sale of Lucasfilms and the SW rights to Disney.

For a time, from 2014 to early 2018, he was a part of Channel Awesome, and to this day comic book reviewer Linkara (Lewis Lovhaug) occasionally posts on the SFDebris web forums. Which, disclaimer, I'm an administrator of (although it's not a very demanding job).

Anyway, now that I've gotten that look at his material out of the way, I have to say this: I consider Chuck to be the pinnacle of what an online reviewer is, and more than that, he's a great guy whose work appeals to me personally. He's not perfect and he knows it, and he's not naive about the problems facing people, but he promotes optimism all the same. The idea that we can rise above our flaws, to be, as the late Sir Terry put it, "the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape". He is capable of presenting ideas even if he doesn't agree with them and promotes understanding and working out differences.

And in our world, we need that kind of beacon. It's why I'm a patreon supporter of his show.

Anyway, I hope his other fans speak up with their views, and of course we can use this thread to discuss his reviews as they come along. He's still cleaning up from a server host change for the web site, as it is.

I too am a fan of his and a Patreon! And I helped fund a few of his earlier reviews back in the day. He's an awesome guy and I'm glad he's still doing great work.
 
Been watching his videos for years, participated in some of the old SB money drives to purchase some specific reviews, and if I ever set up a patreon account, he's probably the first in my list.
 
Ah yeah,forgot about those. I participated in the Legend of Korra drives, and I even individually contributed for episodes of Book 4 when that drive failed (mostly from people just not having cash, but I also suspect from the people who felt tapped out from the prior two and recognizing it'd be years before it came up).
 
I found his reviews on Youtube back before all the copyright nonsense when he migrated to Blip. I really miss Blip, too... :(

I generally like his stuff, and I especially appreciate how he will go into the background of things. This is also why I like the documentaries he's done, especially the Star Wars ones. The only real problem I have is that lately he seems to be catering more and more to the SJW crowd that has been infesting his forum and Facebook group, and driving away anyone who isn't an SJW. But I have to admit, I really miss how things were back when he was on Blip, as it seems to me like he had a lot more creative freedom back then.
 
I found his reviews on Youtube back before all the copyright nonsense when he migrated to Blip. I really miss Blip, too... :(

I generally like his stuff, and I especially appreciate how he will go into the background of things. This is also why I like the documentaries he's done, especially the Star Wars ones. The only real problem I have is that lately he seems to be catering more and more to the SJW crowd that has been infesting his forum and Facebook group, and driving away anyone who isn't an SJW. But I have to admit, I really miss how things were back when he was on Blip, as it seems to me like he had a lot more creative freedom back then.
Details please, NOW. 😥
 
As far as his forum and Facebook group being overrun? It's hard to pinpoint a time, really, but it was most noticeable after he brought his forum back after being hacked the last time, as the news forum started to turn into nothing but a place for them to vent their politics. Then it started to seep into the regular discussion forums, including threads about his videos themselves. The Facebook group is run by one of them, and while at first he was pretty good about not banning people just because he didn't like them, there started to be more and more posts about stuff that was completely unrelated to anything Chuck did, and it's gotten to the point that they don't really talk about his videos anymore. And he started banning people, at first for allegedly being istaphobes, and later just because he didn't like them.

If you mean what's going on with his videos, well, from time to time he goes into that kind of stuff, seemingly as disclaimers, and occasionally discusses stuff in relation to the regressive left viewpoint. It isn't a lot, but it's definitely seeping its way in, and what with him mostly communicating with people on Twitter and his forum, I'm kind of worried he's being disproportionately influenced by that crowd because he's under the impression that they represent his audience.
 
As far as his forum and Facebook group being overrun? It's hard to pinpoint a time, really, but it was most noticeable after he brought his forum back after being hacked the last time, as the news forum started to turn into nothing but a place for them to vent their politics. Then it started to seep into the regular discussion forums, including threads about his videos themselves. The Facebook group is run by one of them, and while at first he was pretty good about not banning people just because he didn't like them, there started to be more and more posts about stuff that was completely unrelated to anything Chuck did, and it's gotten to the point that they don't really talk about his videos anymore. And he started banning people, at first for allegedly being istaphobes, and later just because he didn't like them.

If you mean what's going on with his videos, well, from time to time he goes into that kind of stuff, seemingly as disclaimers, and occasionally discusses stuff in relation to the regressive left viewpoint. It isn't a lot, but it's definitely seeping its way in, and what with him mostly communicating with people on Twitter and his forum, I'm kind of worried he's being disproportionately influenced by that crowd because he's under the impression that they represent his audience.
Well shit.
 
A great example of how he's catering to this, or at least covering his butt, is in his look at Inception. As you might recall, Ellen Paige has a role in that film, and fairly recently she decided she is actually a man trapped in a woman's body, thus making her an evil straight white male. ;) In any case, Chuck felt the need to have a little disclaimer for referring to the character as female, "because the actor who played them refers to her as female." :rolleyes:
 
Been going back to try to catch up on his reviews that I've been missing out on since 2019. Kind of sad to know he started on Code Geass and apparently never got back to it. But then I'm still waiting on him getting around to doing Ergo Proxy, which I got in queue for prior to the Trump Administration being a thing. :(
 
Been going back to try to catch up on his reviews that I've been missing out on since 2019. Kind of sad to know he started on Code Geass and apparently never got back to it. But then I'm still waiting on him getting around to doing Ergo Proxy, which I got in queue for prior to the Trump Administration being a thing. :(


I hear you, I've had four episodes of Blake's 7 commissioned for about 2.5 years now. I knew it was going to be a long time so I'm not expecting them soon. Shame about all the hosting issues; most of his time currently seems to be tied up in redoing old work so it can be seen. I've thought about commissioning more along the way but I can't bring myself to put more money down on the 'never never' that he might someday be able to get around to it.
 
Same here. The GitS:SAC was by me, and I've been thinking of having him do the rest of it now that have a bit more money than I did back then, but same deal since he hasn't gotten to Ergo Proxy yet, which was for the whole series. Kind of figured it was something he could sink his teeth into. If I had know it would be this long, I might have went for something shorter, like Yukikaze.
 
Continuing my watch-through of reviews going back to 2019 when I kind of fell off from watching him has brought me to his review of ENT's "Bound." He apparently really hates this episode because of its heavy use of fan service (something he has never really been a fan of) and the stereotypical plotline of men coming under the control of alien women and their own women getting jealous (and in the end not even getting to save the day). As a Trip/T'Pol fan, I'm probably a bit biased in my own take on this episode thanks to the plotline between those two characters getting resolved finally, but for the most part what I see is a genuine attempt at referencing back to the episode that started it all - "The Cage." It's been a while since I've seen any of that episode, but it seems to me that the control Orion women can have over men is referenced in the same scene that establishes them and their allegedly seductive dancing. So while it is kind of a tired old trope, I mean, it's there in the OG episode and this episode was by one of the few people on the show actually trying to live up to the show's premise as a prequel, so I guess I'm more forgiving of it, and certainly not upset by it the way Chuck apparently is.

For me, the only real lameness was that at a point where the women having a form of control over men had been established along with some kind of secret evil plan, Archer left them locked in the brig with a couple of men to guard them, even after he himself was almost compelled to free them and only stopped because T'Pol was there to make sad puppy dog eyes at him. It had also been established that there were indeed women on the MACO team that was still on the ship to supplement the Starfleet security force, which also had women, yet it apparently never occurred to anyone, not even T'Pol who was supposed to be completely immune to the Orions, thought to assign female guards for them. Which just made it completely transparent that they were going to be let out right after Archer and T'Pol left the room.

I also didn't really care for the "twist" at the end of the episode of the Orion men being the "real" slaves. :rolleyes:
 
Watching his take on "Into the Spider-Verse" today, and while it looks like a decent enough movie considering it adapts one of the first comic book diversity replacement storylines by people who actually gave a crap about the characters and the universe(s), there was one thing that kind of stuck out to me that Chuck never went into and I'm curious if the movie ever did - did the washed up Peter ever express surprise or any other kind of emotion regarding Gwen considering that she was actually his first love and he accidentally ended up killing her while trying to save her?
 
Man this is just sad. Watching his review of DS9's "Tribunal", and he has apparently felt the need to go into a rather long tirade about the American justice system thanks to the "Summer of Love" kicking off not long before he released this one. Actually the really sad thing is that the majority of the people inhabiting his forum think very much in line with the Cardassian system presented in this episode. I have to admit that I still have trouble understanding what exactly it is about Star Trek that draws these people to it and to people like SF Debris.
 
Man this is just sad. Watching his review of DS9's "Tribunal", and he has apparently felt the need to go into a rather long tirade about the American justice system thanks to the "Summer of Love" kicking off not long before he released this one. Actually the really sad thing is that the majority of the people inhabiting his forum think very much in line with the Cardassian system presented in this episode. I have to admit that I still have trouble understanding what exactly it is about Star Trek that draws these people to it and to people like SF Debris.
It's the superficial anti-capitalism/leftism of Star Trek. There's a really common meme around that claims that Star Trek with its idealism and such is the "Communist Future" (since the Federation is claimed to be communist) and comparing it to either a Cyberpunk or Post-Apocalyptic SF franchise and claiming that those are the "Capitalist Future". Match that with much of the historical left wing virtue signaling Trek has done and most on the Left see Star Trek as Their Thing, ignoring that the strongest stories and arcs of the show tend to be... more right wing adjacent...
 
It's the superficial anti-capitalism/leftism of Star Trek. There's a really common meme around that claims that Star Trek with its idealism and such is the "Communist Future" (since the Federation is claimed to be communist) and comparing it to either a Cyberpunk or Post-Apocalyptic SF franchise and claiming that those are the "Capitalist Future". Match that with much of the historical left wing virtue signaling Trek has done and most on the Left see Star Trek as Their Thing, ignoring that the strongest stories and arcs of the show tend to be... more right wing adjacent...

I mean… considering how real life doesn’t bear out their whole “Communism good, capitalism bad!” dichotomy, maybe all those left-wingers ought to rethink their views a bit. ;)

(That said, I wouldn’t object to a future economic system where superabundance is the norm and everything is as close to free as can be, per se, though I’d still prefer no central planning and as much voluntary discretion over the production and distribution of “stuff” as possible.)
 
It's the superficial anti-capitalism/leftism of Star Trek. There's a really common meme around that claims that Star Trek with its idealism and such is the "Communist Future" (since the Federation is claimed to be communist) and comparing it to either a Cyberpunk or Post-Apocalyptic SF franchise and claiming that those are the "Capitalist Future". Match that with much of the historical left wing virtue signaling Trek has done and most on the Left see Star Trek as Their Thing, ignoring that the strongest stories and arcs of the show tend to be... more right wing adjacent...
It also ignores that GR himself said that the Federation wasn't communist. And honestly the notion could be disproven simply by the fact that, just as an example, Picard owns land.
 
I mean… considering how real life doesn’t bear out their whole “Communism good, capitalism bad!” dichotomy, maybe all those left-wingers ought to rethink their views a bit. ;)

(That said, I wouldn’t object to a future economic system where superabundance is the norm and everything is as close to free as can be, per se, though I’d still prefer no central planning and as much voluntary discretion over the production and distribution of “stuff” as possible.)
I could actually see the Federation running on a "Like" based economy. F'rex presume they don't use money so most things are traded as "favors" as militaries and many other organizations are prone to do when trading cash or goods directly would be verboten.

This becomes somewhat codified as somebody makes an app to track who owes favors, and then this evolves into a favor stock market. Soon VIs start moving favors around as if they were cash and the actual human rarely knows who they owe a favor too, only that some stranger may call in a marker or when they need something, they're calling in one.

Ultimately you wind up with a bizarre economy where you can spend three hours helping a guy clean his restaurant after a Klingon Kegger diplomatic soiree wrecked the place, the market VI trades your favor to a spacer couple getting a romantic dinner for two at the restaurant in exchange for a shipping container space on their next trip, which it trades to Picard Vineyards to ship sixty thousand bottles of fine wine to Risa, which is traded to a party girl impressing her friends on Risa with VIP service, and ultimately that favor comes back to you months later when you call in your marker and she provides maid service for two mornings while you're recovering from a broken leg and can't get up.

The Federation heartily approves as they aren't using anything as crass as "money" and people's success is linked to how much they help others and better themselves, while of course there's always a bit of corruption and graft on the edges.
 

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