I dint even know the numbers for the US presence in SK so there is that
Serious question about anti-Semitism.
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LindyAF
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I'm not sure what your point here is?
The amount spent on mikitary spending
Nope.Izrael 2.0 was saved by Stalin and weapon from commie Czechoslovakia which he ordered send ther.And by fact,that from 5 arab states which declared war 2/Saudi and Egypt/ send token forces,Jordania cooperated with jews,and Syria and Iraq fought almost as much each other as Israel.USA do not helped at all.
P.S why Stalin helped Izrael 2.0 instead of arabs? beat me,if i knew.
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He kind of forgot how russia treated jews for centuries there.
The One Char
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I'm gonna drop a few pics to show what Palestinians think of jews.
Remember this @Hlaalu Agent, @King Arts.
Remember this @Hlaalu Agent, @King Arts.
LindyAF
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Oh no, some people flying Palestinian flags did some edgy stuff. lol, how is that relevant to the question of whether or not the Palestinians are a distinct people living under occupation?
Roman salutes aren't even uncommon in the Levant - Syria and Lebanon both use them, Lebanon at least since before the existence of Israel.
Roman salutes aren't even uncommon in the Levant - Syria and Lebanon both use them, Lebanon at least since before the existence of Israel.
Logical,then.In Poland they were communist-aligned - my family is in Warsaw from 19th century,and thanks to that granma told me how her mother saw jews in 1920 building welcoming gates for invading soviets.
When all poles,no matter party or religion,go to army/men/ or pray to churches for polish victory/woman/.
After 1945 polish cryminals become low commie and tortured people ,but important party members were jews - becouse cryminals could not rule,and jews were smart.
The big difference between our money in Israel and our troops in SK is SK is based off strategic interests whereas our Israeli interests mainly come from political Zionism. It’s not so much that it’s in strategic interests but more so the interests of people who support Israeli nationalism living in the US, who are more often than not not American nationalists, or who condemn American nationalism.
LordsFire
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Nonsense. There's a lot of strategic interest both in having a regional ally, and more pragmatically, in having a different target for the Islamic terrorists to spend their attention and money on.
There are so many problems in the US that the US doesn't have to deal with, because the Israelis will do it for us, out of their own self-interest. Like their constant sabotage of the Iranian nuclear program.
You think it’s nonsense that there is a large section of the American political sphere that fund politics for Israel not because of any strategic interests but because of their Nationalistic love for that country? And Islamic terrorists truly aren’t a problem for the west. The problem is in our domestic politics and politicians who are keen on letting Muslims into our countries in the first place.
Iran isn’t a threat to us lol. Iran is reactive to our Middle East involvement. The reverse is true. There’s so many problems the US has to deal with because of Israel, such as the Iraq war.
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LordsFire
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Wrong, and wrong.
Sure, there are people who are interested in supporting Israel for non America-centric reasons. I'm not claiming that's untrue, I'm claiming that is not the only reason. The fact that some people have other motivations does not change the fact that there is strategic utility in having them as an ally. They're a check on Iran, Egypt, and Turkey, all of whom have the potential to restrict critical naval shipping lanes. They also give us an (even) stronger hand in our relationship with the Saudis, because if they piss us off enough, we don't need them to have basing and military support in the region.
And Iran is absolutely a threat to us. The Iranian leadership is crazy enough to try to nuke the US if they ever get the hardware to do it with. They picked a fight with the US from the moment that the current regime came into power in the revolution in the 70's, and they've been hostile to us ever since. The fact that they'll happily supply China with gobs of oil alone means they represent a threat to us.
Egypt has normalized relations with them. We foot the bill in a ton of aid for Egypt for that peace deal with Israel which we still pay. Turkey is a NATO ally. Iran is irrelevant. All of these things also don’t really matter lol, because if those ever actually became problems we’d just deal with them. They aren’t and aren’t likely to be. The main reason we support Israel is ultimately Zionism. That’s where the money for it in politics comes from and why after all.
they aren’t really crazy enough to go MAD and the primary reason they want nukes is because Israel has nukes, which they got from stealing from us. Israel isn’t a good ally, the relationship is parasitic.
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LordsFire
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Turkey is a NATO ally on paper only at this point, are trying to become regional hegemon, and are a lot friendlier to Russia than we'd like. Egypt is unstable, and it's anyone's guess what things there will look like ten years from now.
And Iran being irrelevant is nothing but an unsupported assertion on your point.
The Supreme Leader of Iran leads chants of 'death to America.'
They've been doing this for decades.
One of their first acts when they overthrew the Shah was to commit an act of war against the most powerful nation in the world, by taking hostages in the US Embassy.
If you think they're not crazy enough to try nuking, I'd like a basis for that argument.
I'll freely admit that some parts of the relationship between the US and Israel could be described as parasitic. They've done us dirty a few times, but that doesn't change the fact that they are beneficial to US interests in the Middle East.
Our interest in the Middle East is to fucking leave. That’s what is in America’s interest. Iran can saber rattle all they want but they truly can’t and won’t and have no actual reason to do anything to America. Hell, half the reason they hate America is because of our middle eastern involvement and the other half is us being a degenerate cesspit that exports that all over the world.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You are demonstrating ignorance.
During the Cold War, it was strategically crucial to keep the USSR from gaining control of the region and gaining a chokehold on the world's oil supply. Part of Iran's antipathy towards the US comes from our involvement in that era.
In the 90's and 2000's, pulling out of the Middle East (after some punitive bombings of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan) would have been wise, I agree, but at this point with China trying to become world hegemon, that's no longer a sane option.
Granted, the nation-building nonsense needs to stop, but preventing Iran from controlling the Straits of Hormuz, or China from moving in to do likewise, isn't really optional. We could do that with nothing but our air bases in Saudi and the Navy, and I'd support pulling out of pretty much everything else.
Even if we hadn't gone into the middle east during the Cold War though, the Iranians would still hate us. Even if atheist degeneracy hadn't started to rot the core of western culture out, they'd still hate us.
They're a radical islamist state. We are not Islamic. That's all the justification they want or need.
The insane option is to still be so concerned about world hegemony while your nation is dying and falling to pieces domestically, in no small part by the efforts and positions of many Zionists domestically. You fix your own house before you do anything else about others.
So is Saudi Arabia but they are our allies. So are much of our middle eastern allies. We are an ocean a part. They can only do things to us because we permit them here, because we have a contingent of our own population who have dropped the drawbridge and are actively trying to bring as many as they possibly can into the west. The threat of Iran is incomparable to the threat of our own domestic politicians and actors and issues to ourselves.