Serious question about anti-Semitism.

Doomsought said:
They are coocoo for cocopuffs. Its a anti-semetic, revisionist, black supremacist, cult.
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That's a rather strange take.

They're Jews. They're really weird, but they're Jews. Culturally isolated and subject to different cultural and historical pressures than the rest of our Diaspora, but still, they're Jews.

And the most important thing is that they feel Jewish. I don't care if they actually descend from ancient Israelites or not. There is no actual guarantee that my Ashkenazi ass does in any verifiable way. What matters is that they stand up to be counted as Jews. And they do.
 
Markus Wolf 2.0 said:
That's a rather strange take.

They're Jews. They're really weird, but they're Jews. Culturally isolated and subject to different cultural and historical pressures than the rest of our Diaspora, but still, they're Jews.

And the most important thing is that they feel Jewish. I don't care if they actually descend from ancient Israelites or not. There is no actual guarantee that my Ashkenazi ass does in any verifiable way. What matters is that they stand up to be counted as Jews. And they do.
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My biases are from the internet. They love to show examples of their weird side even if it's ridiculous race theory but the internet loves to laugh at kang thought. Nice costumes though they can fit in as cosplay.

I just found out about their offshoots like Yahweh ben Yahweh the leader of one of the black israelites group the nation of Yahweh.
 
Random Username said:
My biases are from the internet. They love to show examples of their weird side even if it's ridiculous race theory but the internet loves to laugh at kang thought. Nice costumes though they can fit in as cosplay.

I just found out about their offshoots like Yahweh ben Yahweh the leader of one of the black israelites group the nation of Yahweh.
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He does realize that makes it so that his name is translated to “I am who am” “son” “I am who am”?

I only found out that “ben” meant son in Ancient Hebrew
 
Markus Wolf 2.0 said:
Specifically "ben" is "son of"

And yes there are plenty. Yeshua ben Yousef, for instance.
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Latching onto the history of Jews I find is quite old with the ten lost tribes. British Israelism thanks to the success of the British Empire made spreading their beliefs much more successful when they're making great gains.

Yeshua ben Yousef. Oh you're talking about Jesus. I almost forgot about the historical religious disputes.
 
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Lord Invictus said:
Just as a matter of curiosity, who has actually read ... The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?
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I tried reading it once.
Personally I think that insofar as it "fits what's happening" (the claim its advocates typically make for it) it does so in much the same way as the prophecies of Nostradamus: by being so obscure and ambiguous that sooner or later something will come along that can be made to fit.
 
Scottty said:
I tried reading it once.
Personally I think that insofar as it "fits what's happening" (the claim its advocates typically make for it) it does so in much the same way as the prophecies of Nostradamus: by being so obscure and ambiguous that sooner or later something will come along that can be made to fit.
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A lot of the chapters yes. The ending references a Jewish king, or messiah though which is fairly explicit. Giving details about his reign and personality. Who will emerge after the Elders reveal themselves out of the shadows, from the line of David and rule as king of the world.
 
Lord Invictus said:
A lot of the chapters yes. The ending references a Jewish king, or messiah though which is fairly explicit. Giving details about his reign and personality. Who will emerge after the Elders reveal themselves out of the shadows, from the line of David and rule as king of the world.
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Who are these “elders”?
 
Random Username said:
I only read bits about the Khazarian Mafia and I can tell it's ludicrous.
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Considering that Khazars were turkish people who take judaism,not jews,and that they vanished from history some 1000 years ago/except karaims/ it must be.
But you knew- what is better for evil plot then people hding their existence for 1000 years? Especially,that they were vanished by russians/when they still were vikings,but still/ ,so you could say that we had revenge after 1000 years.
 
Julio92 said:
Didn't Israel sterilize the black Ethiopean Jews for decades?
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Yes and no. Depo Provera is hormonal birth control that remains active in a woman's system for several months. It was however administered to recently-immigrated Ethiopian Jewish women without their knowledge or consent.

But then again, Fuck Israel. I say that being something of a Neobundist (I mean, I can't be a communist and support zionism so...). Zionism was a terrible idea in the interwar years, and it's a terrible idea now that only results in Jews experiencing oppression as both a victim and a perpetrator. What Israel does to Palestinians and Ethiopian Jews is like an abused child turning around and bullying other kids. It isn't okay.
 
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Markus Wolf 2.0 said:
That's a rather strange take.

They're Jews. They're really weird, but they're Jews. Culturally isolated and subject to different cultural and historical pressures than the rest of our Diaspora, but still, they're Jews.

And the most important thing is that they feel Jewish. I don't care if they actually descend from ancient Israelites or not. There is no actual guarantee that my Ashkenazi ass does in any verifiable way. What matters is that they stand up to be counted as Jews. And they do.
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Would you say the same about the British Israelites? Who also believe that they're the only real Jews and indeed, the British royal familiy are direct descendants of the Davidic line through King Arthur?
 
Navarro said:
Would you say the same about the British Israelites? Who also believe that they're the only real Jews and indeed, the British royal familiy are direct descendants of the Davidic line through King Arthur?
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Don't know enough about their history to comment. Obviously you can't just Claim Jewry and make up crazy bullshit; but there is a certain... "Do you feel Jewish?"

As far as I can tell, Ethiopian Jews are like distaff relations who moved away a while ago and have been off doing their own thing. The Indiana [Last Name Redacted]s in my case. There's some weird stuff going on there going back to the 1930s but they're still relatives and they have some of the Old Family Recipes from Austria. They're Presbyterian instead of Mormon like the Utah [Last Name Redacted]s, but they're welcome at the family reunion.

Julio92 said:
And Mormons!
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No. They're just Christians with some heretical (not that I care about that given that I'm related to them and not Christian, but a secular Jew) extra sauce that stems from Joseph Smith's 19th century racism.
 
Markus Wolf 2.0 said:
Don't know enough about their history to comment. Obviously you can't just Claim Jewry and make up crazy bullshit; but there is a certain... "Do you feel Jewish?"

As far as I can tell, Ethiopian Jews are like distaff relations who moved away a while ago and have been off doing their own thing. The Indiana [Last Name Redacted]s in my case. There's some weird stuff going on there going back to the 1930s but they're still relatives and they have some of the Old Family Recipes from Austria. They're Presbyterian instead of Mormon like the Utah [Last Name Redacted]s, but they're welcome at the family reunion.
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You may be being confused between Beta Israel and the Black Hebrew Israelite sect, which had its origins in ...

Black Hebrew Israelites - Wikipedia

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The origins of the Black Hebrew Israelite movement are found in Frank Cherry and William Saunders Crowdy, who both claimed that they had revelations in which they believed that God told them that African Americans are descendants of the Hebrews in the Christian Bible; Cherry established the "Church of the Living God, the Pillar Ground of Truth for All Nations" in 1886, and Crowdy founded the "Church of God and Saints of Christ" in 1896.[8][9][10][11] The Church of God and Saints of Christ, originating in Kansas, retained elements of a messianic connection to Jesus.[12]

In the late 19th century, Cherry's and Crowdy's followers propagated the claim that they were the biological descendants of the Israelites,[17] and during the following decades, many more Black Hebrew congregations were established. After World War I, for example, Wentworth Arthur Matthew, an immigrant from Saint Kitts, founded another Black Hebrew congregation in Harlem, claiming descent from the ancient Israelites.
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