Self-defense axe throwing

[PsihoKekec]

In the wake of recent New Jersey shooting, some martial arts grifters are seazing their chance.

I guess local gun laws might be too restrictive for effective self defense, but axe throwing is still stupid.

“I’m teaching people to throw axes — it’s a fatal strike with immediate stopping power. If you shoot someone, it could take a while. When you get struck with an axe, it’s game over,” he said, adding that it’s easier to train someone to throw a 2- to 5-pound axe than to use a gun.

That's fucking retarded, even if by some miracle you manage a perfect throw and hit the enemy with the blade of the axe, it will only result in a shallow cut, if the axe is really sharp. The real worth is in the fact that it is a heavy object hitting the assailant, injuring him through blunt force, perhaps dazing or disorientating him. You can get the same result from any hard and heavy object at your reach like full bottle, food or drink can, Nokia 3310... and your childhood experience from throwing various balls comes in play, while axes have to be thrown differently and require a lot of training to throw effectively, a lot more training than it takes to teach a person to point a gun and pull the trigger.

 

[MementoMori]

I mean when your self defense style is almost as useless as just carrying a brick around at all times, then you need to advertise in any way you can.

Though just brandishing the throwing ax would probably work better rather than trying to hit a moving target and ending up throwing away your defensive weapon.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, as long as you're carrying around a throwing axe, you might as well have a full-length sword you can draw the moment you throw it.

 

[Cherico]

We got you covered Pentos

 

[Husky_Khan]

Oh my God, are those Alt Right people?

Or is it Regressive Left people?

I'm so confused. The black clothing, slight builds and beards, pale skin and affinity for non-firearm weapons... I don't know anymore!

 

[Erwin_Pommel]

Just you wait, soon it'll be the Commanche filing hate crimes of cultural appropriation because throwing axes were their thing, supposedly :U

We wuz axe-throwers and sheet!

 

[Cherico]

Oh my God, are those Alt Right people?

Or is it Regressive Left people?

I'm so confused. The black clothing, slight builds and beards, pale skin and affinity for non-firearm weapons... I don't know anymore!

Neck beards Husky, when we were partying they were studying the blade, when we were having relationships they were studying the blade, when we were at the gym they were studying the blade, but by god when the barbarians are at the gates and the world is on fire we will be glad to have them around.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Well, as long as you're carrying around a throwing axe, you might as well have a full-length sword you can draw the moment you throw it.

Both will be illegal then

 

[prinCZess]

This is silly.
If I remember my Age of Empires 2 correctly, axe-throwers are only a good counter to the slow, not very often-used Teutonic knight. They completely fold under pressure from cavalry or longer-ranged units like crossbowmen.

More seriously...Can I just reference the 'tools' he uses to teach 'self-defense'? Because, uh...It's something:

I mean...yeah, an axe or a hammer will hurt a dude...But the bow isn't going to be allowed anyways? And I don't think I even have to point out the 'what?' of the Disney-brand Thor's hammer and Captain America shields?
Like...There is something to be said for confidence-building courses, but that's all they are and they shouldn't advertise or get pushed as defensive courses, and that looks like (at best) what this is.

“No one’s going to get a gun permit in NYC, so why teach it to someone in NYC when they can’t carry it in NYC?”

On the other hand, dude has a solid point here. Jews have been rendered virtually defenseless in states like NY and NJ (to a possibly lesser extent? Not up-to-date on my bullshit east-coast gun-laws, admittedly), and something is better than nothing...Even if 'axe-throwing' is used as some kind of segue/advertising-gimmick for teaching people situational awareness and active resistance types of measures (which the guy might be doing):

“The idea is we really have to be prepared with weapons at hand that anyone can get. If we can grab an axe, a brick, anything we’re allowed to have and know how to use it, to hit the guy on the head with a brick, problem over. A pistol isn’t the only weapon,” Gordon said.

So...Axe-throwing is gimmicky and silly, but perhaps is being used as a flashy sales-item to attract some attention to more generic/useful training stuff more-so than 'be the axe-wielding defender of justice!'
But it's all a product of firearms laws second-order consequences that folks tend to either ignore or dismiss.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

What about pepperspray? Oh wait, illegal in germany and sweden and probably illegal in how many other countries now

Martial Arts? Can’t ban learning how to fight

 

[Lanmandragon]

What about pepperspray? Oh wait, illegal in germany and sweden and probably illegal in how many other countries now

Martial Arts? Can’t ban learning how to fight

Depends in the teacher and style. Still better to have a gun or barring that a good knife. The tyrannical laws that say you can't are both illegitimate and irrelevant. "Better to he judged by 12 men. Than to be carried by 6."

 

[Husky_Khan]

Well worse comes to worse you can always use the axe in melee instead of throwing your weapon away like some silly head.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

If I remember my Age of Empires 2 correctly, axe-throwers are only a good counter to the slow, not very often-used Teutonic knight.

Axe Throwers do melee damage at range, Teutonic Knights have more armor than Axe Throwers, even with max upgrades, have attack. There's a reason Axe Throwers are a meme.

Not a terrible one in enough numbers though. Sure, cavalry can close the gap but Axe Throwers will get a hit or two in first and, much more importantly, can bring ALOT more numbers to bear at once than most cav effectively can. In large numbers the range can let them kill stuff much faster than even stronger melee units can. Also pretty good against siege.

Their real problem is being the Frank UU, and thus all their upgrades get ignored because PALADIN!!!!!

 

[Husky_Khan]

This is silly.
If I remember my Age of Empires 2 correctly, axe-throwers are only a good counter to the slow, not very often-used Teutonic knight. They completely fold under pressure from cavalry or longer-ranged units like crossbowmen.

More seriously...Can I just reference the 'tools' he uses to teach 'self-defense'? Because, uh...It's something:

I mean...yeah, an axe or a hammer will hurt a dude...But the bow isn't going to be allowed anyways?

Like...There is something to be said for confidence-building courses, but that's all they are and they shouldn't advertise or get pushed as defensive courses, and that looks like (at best) what this is.

On the other hand, dude has a solid point here. Jews have been rendered virtually defenseless in states like NY and NJ (to a possibly lesser extent? Not up-to-date on my bullshit east-coast gun-laws, admittedly), and something is better than nothing...Even if 'axe-throwing' is used as some kind of segue/advertising-gimmick for teaching people situational awareness and active resistance types of measures (which the guy might be doing):

Can you carry a bow and quiver in NYC? I would assume not But I have no idea. I just remember that Nicholas Cage movie The Weatherman (great movie btw) and one of his narrative monologues is that no one harasses him now that he walks around with a bow and quiver in the city and that it was actually legal for him to do so (I think the movie takes place in Chicago).

So least of all carrying a brace of handaxes could make a nice visible deterrent both due to the weapons and the fear your mentally ill or just a garden variety crazy person.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Well worse comes to worse you can always use the axe in melee instead of throwing your weapon away like some silly head.

Then they make laws to try and limit having or carrying sharp objects around....gonna be a waste of tax money to try and even do that

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

In the wake of recent New Jersey shooting, some martial arts grifters are seazing their chance.

I guess local gun laws might be too restrictive for effective self defense, but axe throwing is still stupid.


That's fucking retarded, even if by some miracle you manage a perfect throw and hit the enemy with the blade of the axe, it will only result in a shallow cut, if the axe is really sharp. The real worth is in the fact that it is a heavy object hitting the assailant, injuring him through blunt force, perhaps dazing or disorientating him. You can get the same result from any hard and heavy object at your reach like full bottle, food or drink can, Nokia 3310... and your childhood experience from throwing various balls comes in play, while axes have to be thrown differently and require a lot of training to throw effectively, a lot more training than it takes to teach a person to point a gun and pull the trigger.

1st-
You are correct in a certain degree. Not only is throwing an axe not as lethal as shooting a gun for any number of reasons, but anyone throwing an object should expect to have it thrown back, so it's hardly ideal.
2nd-
A "really sharp" throwing axe that hits "perfectly" is going to do a hell of a lot more than leave a shallow cut. It's going to stick inside a motherfucker.

That said, carrying an axe to protect yourself is literally better than nothing. Batons, knives, rocks, sticks, these can all be used to defend yourself in a pinch, and the ability of a person to defend themselves with a heavy bladed instrument is significantly magnified over someone with no ability to defend themselves. Look at mass or public stabbings, for example.

Can you carry a bow and quiver in NYC? I would assume not But I have no idea. I just remember that Nicholas Cage movie The Weatherman (great movie btw) and one of his narrative monologues is that no one harasses him now that he walks around with a bow and quiver in the city and that it was actually legal for him to do so (I think the movie takes place in Chicago).

While there are certain situations that a bow might be useful (but not ideal) in the modern day, a surprise attack is not one of them. Most people cant draw and fire a gun before being stabbed by someone 20 feet away, let alone bring a bow to bear.

Well, as long as you're carrying around a throwing axe, you might as well have a full-length sword you can draw the moment you throw it.

Yeah instead of carrying around a one foot long object you might as well carry a three foot long object?

Huh?

Axe Throwers do melee damage at range, Teutonic Knights have more armor than Axe Throwers, even with max upgrades, have attack. There's a reason Axe Throwers are a meme.
Not a terrible one in enough numbers though. Sure, cavalry can close the gap but Axe Throwers will get a hit or two in first and, much more importantly, can bring ALOT more numbers to bear at once than most cav effectively can. In large numbers the range can let them kill stuff much faster than even stronger melee units can. Also pretty good against siege.
Their real problem is being the Frank UU, and thus all their upgrades get ignored because PALADIN!!!!!

This is silly.
If I remember my Age of Empires 2 correctly, axe-throwers are only a good counter to the slow, not very often-used Teutonic knight. They completely fold under pressure from cavalry or longer-ranged units like crossbowmen.

Axe throwers are like high HP short ranged archers that do Melee Damage instead of Pierce Damage, they pummel the shit out of Skirms, and can beat Halberdiers and Hussars/light cav with some losses. They're about even with Champions (and pulverize them with even some basic protection), but Teutonic knights have the highest Melee armor in the game so I wouldnt want to take that match up.

They're more or less an Anti-anti-archer-unit-unit, most of the matchups are topsy turvy with them.


Also, they're pretty difficult to micro because of their low speed and lag between stopping and throwing, so while they laugh at rams they're not great against Onagers.

 

[Deleted member]

@Shipmaster Sane apologies, I was being very sarcastic.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

@Shipmaster Sane apologies, I was being very sarcastic.

I was saying the comparison was too hyperbolic to be fitting, I understand that it was supposed to be hyperbolic.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I was saying the comparison was too hyperbolic to be fitting, I understand that it was supposed to be hyperbolic.

Weird, but I’d like to point out how an axe and so many other things that could be used as weapons can be banned on the basis of them being dangerous and stuff

Take away their guns, then proceed to take away the “more civilized way” and then proceed to ban martial arts

I think for the last, if you’ve got a certain belt level, you’re considered “armed”

 

[Husky_Khan]

While there are certain situations that a bow might be useful (but not ideal) in the modern day, a surprise attack is not one of them. Most people cant draw and fire a gun before being stabbed by someone 20 feet away, let alone bring a bow to bear.

Yeah like I said in my post, it was referenced in a movie and so I brought it up in direct reference to CZena's statement about bows and arrows in a hyperbolic fashion and then used that presence of a weapon as a setup or segway into the next point which was a quip about walking about with a plethora of hand axes.

There's no clip of it in the film uploaded from a cursory search but it was briefly referenced in the trailer at 1:19 in.

@Shipmaster Sane apologies, I was being very sarcastic.

I don't think there's a need to apologize. Your statement was pretty apparent and suitably hyperbolic. A lot of his posting tends to be of the needling sort.