Breaking News Russian opposition leader in coma after suspected poisoning.

Husky_Khan said:
If it poisoned his tea then the foreign agents would've had to slip the toxin in his tea after predicting/manipulating where he was going to have said tea.

www.foxnews.com

Alexei Navalny, top Putin foe, allegedly poisoned and hospitalized in a coma

Alexei Navalny, the man seen as one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top critics in the country, was poisoned during a flight from Siberia to Moscow and has since been hospitalized, reports said.
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And the clothes theory comes from media reports...

nypost.com

Alexei Navalny demands Russia returns his clothes for Novichok probe

Russian dissident Alexei Navalny on Monday accused Moscow of withholding a key piece of evidence in his poisoning and demanded the return of the clothes he was wearing when he fell deathly ill duri…
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And from an interview with one of those Mad Russian Chem developers:

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Sometimes I don't quote because it's too laborious on A mobile to type in quote tags for every point and don't @ because it feels rude to me. I dont demand people's attention. Plus sometimes it borks usernames. But Uhhh @Sir 1000
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Is predicting someone would be thirsty in the morning and might get something from the place they are staying at particularly difficult? This would be trivial for me and a buddy, let alone one of the myriad of western intel services with budgets in the billions.

Why wouldn't they request some meaningless clothes back? "oh no it's terrible you were poisoned by evil Putin, how do you think they did it? Food,drink, maybe you're clothes? We will demand them back immediately!'' If you are familiar with western intel capability, then there is nothing in this that is professionally or technically beyond them. They were getting people out of Russia decades ago during the cold war. Getting someone in with some poison is not outside their demonstrated capabilities.

I don't speak Russian so i can't comment on the last, do you have an english translation?

In the future you might want to tag, if i don't get one it might be days or longer before i respond. Sorry for any inconvenience on you're end.
 
Terthna said:
From what I can tell, he's the only one in Russian politics who's even remotely a moderate; any replacement is going to be far more aggressive.
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Indeed. If the West wants an enemy, they should stick with Putin. Any other leader isn't going to give a fuck about unwritten rules or self-preservation. Russia would send assassins after every politcal leader outside Russia if they utter so much as a peep.
 
Urabrask Revealed said:
Indeed. If the West wants an enemy, they should stick with Putin. Any other leader isn't going to give a fuck about unwritten rules or self-preservation. Russia would send assassins after every politcal leader outside Russia if they utter so much as a peep.
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Russia may not have the power it once did, but being willing to resort to anything to achieve your goals can make up for a lot. Meanwhile, we're hampered by the fact that our ruling class is focused almost exclusively on internal power struggles, and just sees Russia as an eternal enemy they can point to in order to justify their increasingly authoritarian power grabs. When Putin is gone, I suspect people will be surprised by how quickly Russia becomes a legitimate threat; and if conflict happens between us, I don't think we'd have the will to win.
 
Terthna said:
Russia may not have the power it once did, but being willing to resort to anything to achieve your goals can make up for a lot. Meanwhile, we're hampered by the fact that our ruling class is focused almost exclusively on internal power struggles, and just sees Russia as an eternal enemy they can point to in order to justify their increasingly authoritarian power grabs. When Putin is gone, I suspect people will be surprised by how quickly Russia becomes a legitimate threat; and if conflict happens between us, I don't think we'd have the will to win.
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At least we'd get to watch all these ruling class get executed. Hopefully while they cry and beg for mercy.
 
Urabrask Revealed said:
At least we'd get to watch all these ruling class get executed. Hopefully while they cry and beg for mercy.
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I don't think it would come to that; almost nobody in Russia actually wants to invade us, as far as I'm aware. They just have ambitions of being a world power again, and I suspect we'd come up short if we tried to stop them.
 
Terthna said:
I don't think it would come to that; almost nobody in Russia actually wants to invade us, as far as I'm aware. They just have ambitions of being a world power again, and I suspect we'd come up short if we tried to stop them.
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A man can dream, can't he?
 
Sir 1000 said:
Is predicting someone would be thirsty in the morning and might get something from the place they are staying at particularly difficult? This would be trivial for me and a buddy, let alone one of the myriad of western intel services with budgets in the billions.

Why wouldn't they request some meaningless clothes back? "oh no it's terrible you were poisoned by evil Putin, how do you think they did it? Food,drink, maybe you're clothes? We will demand them back immediately!'' If you are familiar with western intel capability, then there is nothing in this that is professionally or technically beyond them. They were getting people out of Russia decades ago during the cold war. Getting someone in with some poison is not outside their demonstrated capabilities.
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Would it be trivial for you and your buddy to go to say... Tomsk in Russia and poison someone with Novichok and no one else in an Airport Cafe that there were no previous indications that he would visit before his flight and do so without showing up in CCTV (which was apparently in place there) or being noticed by anyone in the restaurant, airport or other personnel and leaving absolutely no trace whatsoever despite the fact we've had numerous assassinations and assassination attempts by agents of assumedly competent intelligence agencies like the FSB and Mossad performing successful executions and extractions but still leaving trails of evidence?

I'm not disputing the success of the operation, but somehow leaving absolutely no evidence to the point the Russians are either so incompetent or intimidated they have absolutely nothing to counter the Western narrative that Navalny was poisoned by the Russians themselves. No deflections. No counter-allegations. They're just "denying" it in general.

And furthermore, to what end would a Western Intelligence Agency engage in such an operation? You say it's to advance the GloboHomo agenda. But it's not like they need to assassinate pro-democracy leaders to villainize Russia. Russia has been doing these kind of operations for decades now and eventually there'll be some other outrage the media can point at whether it happens in Syria, or some sort of 'election meddling' in the US or EU, or violently suppress some protest or some journalist ending up getting killed mysteriously and then they can throw more outrage and sanctions at them.

There's very little motivation I see in executing an operation with high risk of exposure and fallout which the Russians could milk for years to come if there was even a shred of evidence. The West doesn't need to set up elaborate intelligence operations to make the Russians look evil. They get enough fuel to do that already. These poisonings happen like once a year now but this one is apparently the exception?
 
Terthna said:
Look at it this way; at least a resurgent Russia would throw yet another wrench into their plans for globalism.
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I think they will succede in their plans for globalism/empire but they wont be the ones who actually rule over it. Quite simply put they do not have the nessary legitimacy to pull it off they don't have the ability to respect for well anyone to pull it off. I think ironically it will be traditionalists who rule the empire they seek to create.
 
Terthna said:
Look at it this way; at least a resurgent Russia would throw yet another wrench into their plans for globalism.
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Russia lacks the capacity to become a global power again. Its population is collapsing, its economy is the size of Italy's, and it has enormous corruption problems.

It isn't impossible for it to rise as a global power again, but first it would have to undergo a radical cultural transformation. When it became the head of the Soviet Union, Russia was one of the most populous nations in the world. It has ~125 million people by 1900, when the world had less than 2 billion. Now, it has a population of 145 million, and the world population is over 7 billion.

That's still enough population to be a world power, but not while weighed down with the kind of cultural rot and governmental corruption that it suffers from. Enormously outpopulating other people gives you an advantage in relative power, but it's one you can fritter away, which Russia did over the 20th century.
 
Husky_Khan said:
Would it be trivial for you and your buddy to go to say... Tomsk in Russia and poison someone with Novichok and no one else in an Airport Cafe that there were no previous indications that he would visit before his flight and do so without showing up in CCTV (which was apparently in place there) or being noticed by anyone in the restaurant, airport or other personnel and leaving absolutely no trace whatsoever despite the fact we've had numerous assassinations and assassination attempts by agents of assumedly competent intelligence agencies like the FSB and Mossad performing successful executions and extractions but still leaving trails of evidence?
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No previous indications is difficult to prove with the available information. Is there a source beyond this guy's say so? It's not exactly difficult in this day and age to track and surveil electronically. It's also predicated on this being the site of the poisoning. While my previous response made light of how easy it would be, that doesn't mean i agree with where and when this occured. I also have little problem with the plausability, simply because others were caught. Unless we can compare the number of successful/unsuccessful assasinations in Russia. Something we can both agree is impossible, it's still very plausible.
Husky_Khan said:
I'm not disputing the success of the operation, but somehow leaving absolutely no evidence to the point the Russians are either so incompetent or intimidated they have absolutely nothing to counter the Western narrative that Navalny was poisoned by the Russians themselves. No deflections. No counter-allegations. They're just "denying" it in general.
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It may be cliche but sometimes the best move is not to play. They may not be responding because they have calculated no response but flat denials is the least damaging response available to them.
Husky_Khan said:
And furthermore, to what end would a Western Intelligence Agency engage in such an operation? You say it's to advance the GloboHomo agenda. But it's not like they need to assassinate pro-democracy leaders to villainize Russia. Russia has been doing these kind of operations for decades now and eventually there'll be some other outrage the media can point at whether it happens in Syria, or some sort of 'election meddling' in the US or EU, or violently suppress some protest or some journalist ending up getting killed mysteriously and then they can throw more outrage and sanctions at them.
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People have short attention spans, if Putin wasn't constantly kicking puppies how will everyone know he is bad? The problem with those other outrages is that they really only apply to the west. This is targeted at Russians not the west. It's clearly meant to cause problems domestically and any international problems are incidental to the main target.
Husky_Khan said:
There's very little motivation I see in executing an operation with high risk of exposure and fallout which the Russians could milk for years to come if there was even a shred of evidence. The West doesn't need to set up elaborate intelligence operations to make the Russians look evil. They get enough fuel to do that already. These poisonings happen like once a year now but this one is apparently the exception?
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What exposure and fallout? bad press on RT? There is very little of consequence except for FSB retaliation. Correction globalhomo doesn't need to do this to make Putin and Russia look bad in the west. They do need to do this if they want to cause problems domestically.

This thread is getting complicated so i think i should restate and clarify what i think may have happened. Guy may or may not have been poisoned(he may have been in on it, this is a possibility considering recent relevations) he may or may not have been poisoned where he claims. A whole lot of convenient benefits for the west aka:Globalhomo are realized and Putin and his domestic faction are damaged in a way he is good at avoiding usually.

Now i will happily say occams razor suggests they tried to 86 this guy and screwed up. That seems likely and reasonable. The problem is that the kind of people who work in a three letter for globalhomo are devious enough to make these things seem likely and reasonable. When there are so many benefits that pile up for an enemy of Russia, i can't help but to start considering the possibilitys.

Sorry this took me so long, you're notification got eaten. I hope i haven't came across as a dick or some crazy. I know that with this subject matter it's easy to get painted. I'm just exceptionally on alert for bs now a days lol:D
 
Navalny is being moved to a Penal Colony located about a hundred kilometers East of Moscow to serve the remainder of his 2.5 year sentence.

www.reuters.com

Kremlin critic Navalny moved to penal colony outside Moscow to serve jail term

Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny has been transferred to a penal colony outside Moscow to serve his prison sentence, a public commission said on Sunday, weeks after he returned to Russia after being poisoned.
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Alexei Navalny's condition has apparently degraded greatly since his time in prison, thanks in no small part due to his ongoing hunger strike which has been going on for weeks now.

www.straitstimes.com

Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny could 'die any minute', say doctors

"Alexei is dying," his wife says on Facebook. "With his condition, it's a matter of days." Read more at straitstimes.com.
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According to some media reports he's lost over twenty pounds since his Hunger Strike began while other sources state he's lost over fifty pounds since his incarceration (for embezzlement charges) started when he returned to Russia Last Feburary.

 
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