Breaking News Russian opposition leader in coma after suspected poisoning.
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PsihoKekec
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I'm more curious about who did it. That idiot Navalny is basically god's gift to Putin and guarantee that his faction would be a marginalized fringe group. So it's either somebody in the lower rungs of government trying to impress higher ups or one of Navalny's allies decide it is time for him to stop being idiot and start being martyr.
You do not want tea? That is fine. Let us go to roof. I learned from your Muslim brothers of new Palestinian Goodbye ritual they use in Gaza.
Looks like he'll thankfully be getting treatment in Germany after it was being blocked yesterday.
www.aljazeera.com
Plane carrying Russian politician Alexey Navalny lands in Germany
Prominent Kremlin critic, who is in coma after a suspected poisoning, is evacuated to Berlin for medical care.
Why not both ? Navalny ally could be KGB agent,after all.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
You mean FSB?
Well,comrade Putin said, that who once was in KGB,always would be,so - yes.
Tryglaw
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This. If Putin wanted him dead, he'd be deader then disco. Especially since IIRC Navalny is the kind of liberal that makes the word an insult, much like other "liberals" in Russia detached from reality so badly, with such absolute contempt for the common Russian*, that all Putin needs to do to assure they'll never take power is to simply let them talk...
* IIRC it's mostly pseudo-intellectual circlejerk, where the "failure" of common people to acknowledge their own innate inferiority and the "elite's" innate superiority, and thus claim to power, and in doing so elevate said "elite" into power is a sign the unwashed masses are but cattle that doesn't know what's good for them, can't be trusted with a democracy and the right to choose for themselves, hence for their own good and the good of democracy the "elites" must seize power and keep it from the hands of the barbarians. Very democratic, that.
Typical entitled intelligentsia, we've had the same butthurt here in Poland when people soundly rejected the "(lumpen)liberal elites" in favour of (pseudo)conservative Law and Justice.
Also, I find the outrage in Polish media about the thing hilariously hypocritical, how "undemocratic" and "authoritarian" ect. Russia is, and how they downright masturbate on our supposed "superiority" over the barbaric / autocratic eastern oriental Tsardom, as opposed to our enlightened Western values loving democracy - that is considering our own "democratic standard" is called a "seryjny samobójca**" - give or take "serial suicider". And boy, did we have a lot of those...
** untranslatable wordplay, "suicide" means "samobójstwo", while a person who commits one is called "samobójca", with no direct English equivalent.
We've had people hang "themselves", shoot "themselves" (incl. several times in the gut...), die to cardiac arrest or other seizure, usually on Friday so that authopsy would be done on Monday (to allow whatever drugs they were administered to dissolve, as the morgue staff "forgot" to turn the fridge on). People killed "themselves" just in the one spot not covered by monitoring, or monitoring suffering amazingly coincidental failure just that moment and so forth and so forth... Oh, and there was a case where two cops who found a "serial suicider" also died, drowned side by side an an ankle-deep stream...
So talk about the superiority of our democratic standards...
Hospital: Russia's Alexei Navalny out of coma, is responsive
The German hospital treating Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny says he has been taken out of an induced coma and is responsive.
apnews.com
His condition improved to the point that Doctors in Berlin have decided to bring Navalny out of his medically induced coma. But he still has a long way to go for his recovery.
Forgot to update this... But if your curious and/or living under a rock, Navalny was released from the German hospital after getting better, returned to Russia, didn't land at the airport where media and supporters were awaiting him, but instead landed in Russian custody and has been under arrest for the past few weeks.
PsihoKekec
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This Novichok poison is a real weaksauce, everyone known to be poisoned by it made a full recovery so far, ricin is much bette.
Yeah I'm assuming they used Novichok just to show everyone that Russia was behind it... even as they deny it.
Sure maybe it's some epic double blind but I highly, highly, highly doubt it.
It's the same thing with the Polonium poisoning years ago back in Britain. Russia is just hitting people with techniques and methodologies only they would ever use, and then just straight up deny it when challenged. It's so fucking bald faced in the deception that you either loathe or love them for doing it. Or both I suppose. Magnificent assholes.
I mean more towards them Russkis being Fucktards though because political assassination of people like Navalny and Litvinenko is pretty petty, excessive and basically evil. It's not like they used this stuff on actual terrorists or dictators or whatever. Just on political figures who at worse are treasonous political actors. But typically heavily marginalized ones at that.
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Hmmm, this doesn't seem like Putins style, i'm gonna guess it was a western intel agency due to how convenient things worked out. Thinking about it, it's the only thing that makes much sense outside the obvious narrative.
This guy seems like a clown Putin would want to keep around. Plus there is plenty of motive to do this. It hurts Putin's rep,the opposition gets riled up, guy becomes a martyr and the west looks good helping him, russian intel looks incompetent which considering they are the successor ageny to the KGB i sincerely doubt they are this incompetent. The russians get paid back for the poisonings they did do and reminded it can happen to them. Too many things benefit globalhomo inc imo.
This guy seems like a clown Putin would want to keep around. Plus there is plenty of motive to do this. It hurts Putin's rep,the opposition gets riled up, guy becomes a martyr and the west looks good helping him, russian intel looks incompetent which considering they are the successor ageny to the KGB i sincerely doubt they are this incompetent. The russians get paid back for the poisonings they did do and reminded it can happen to them. Too many things benefit globalhomo inc imo.
Terthna
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That was my thinking too when I first heard this happened; a lot of powerful people in the west are desperate to paint Russia as a re-emerging threat.Hmmm, this doesn't seem like Putins style, i'm gonna guess it was a western intel agency due to how convenient things worked out. Thinking about it, it's the only thing that makes much sense outside the obvious narrative.
This guy seems like a clown Putin would want to keep around. Plus there is plenty of motive to do this. It hurts Putin's rep,the opposition gets riled up, guy becomes a martyr and the west looks good helping him, russian intel looks incompetent which considering they are the successor ageny to the KGB i sincerely doubt they are this incompetent. The russians get paid back for the poisonings they did do and reminded it can happen to them. Too many things benefit globalhomo inc imo.
It's just too many things coincidentally benefit globalism for me not o be suspicious. The western three letters are morally bankrupt enough and machivelian enough to do it. I bet all of the big politicians in Russia are much better protected than an opposition leader too.
This would imply then that the Russian Security Services are so incompetent as to allow foreign agents to enter Navalny's Hotel Room or whatever that he had in the middle of Tomsk apply the Soviet developed nerve agent in his underwear and were canny enough not to apply a lethal dose and then leave no incriminating evidence of their involvement in the attempt.
Most of the time there's forms of evidence that sprout up in foreign assassination or attack missions. There was with Litvienko, there was with Kashoggi, and the Mossad targets in Iran, and of al-Mabhouh in Dubai by Mossad as well. Hotels and airports have things like cameras and the like, and there's usually physical chains of evidence if you commit these operations abroad, especially in urban locations. If a Foreign Agent(s) was operating in the middle of Habitable Siberia, then the Russian Security Services should be competent enough to at least of found some sort of evidence I would imagine by now. Even if they were working with Navalny and/or his staff there'd still be questions of handling and transferring such a dangerous substance.
AFAIK (I haven't looked into it) not even the Russians have conjectured such a thing as an explanation. So if it is true that it's a falseflag by the West, that means Russian Security Services were either incompetent in this regard (far moreso then the more widely accepted story of it being done by the Russians) or the Russians are suppressing the information/destroying the evidence because??? They're intimidated by the Westerners?
Most of the time there's forms of evidence that sprout up in foreign assassination or attack missions. There was with Litvienko, there was with Kashoggi, and the Mossad targets in Iran, and of al-Mabhouh in Dubai by Mossad as well. Hotels and airports have things like cameras and the like, and there's usually physical chains of evidence if you commit these operations abroad, especially in urban locations. If a Foreign Agent(s) was operating in the middle of Habitable Siberia, then the Russian Security Services should be competent enough to at least of found some sort of evidence I would imagine by now. Even if they were working with Navalny and/or his staff there'd still be questions of handling and transferring such a dangerous substance.
AFAIK (I haven't looked into it) not even the Russians have conjectured such a thing as an explanation. So if it is true that it's a falseflag by the West, that means Russian Security Services were either incompetent in this regard (far moreso then the more widely accepted story of it being done by the Russians) or the Russians are suppressing the information/destroying the evidence because??? They're intimidated by the Westerners?
Terthna
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Neither scenario paints the Russians as being very competent; either they failed at stopping a false flag attack, or they failed at poisoning a guy whom they really had no reason to poison in the first place.
It wouldn't take all of that to do it, simple time released poison in his coffe before the agent bails. By the time it's obvious he's poisoned the agent could be back at home in America watching the new's report it. Also as an opposition leader it's doubtful he has much serious security.
I will happily say the simplest answer seems the likeliest, but the very moment you start thinking about motives and how Putin does things you should start looking at it with a critical eye.Them not reporting it could be as simple as it be more embarrassing and likely not believed, even if they know they didn't poison him. It's also better to be thought of as ruthless then being outplayed.
Also why no @?
If it poisoned his tea then the foreign agents would've had to slip the toxin in his tea after predicting/manipulating where he was going to have said tea.
www.foxnews.com
And the clothes theory comes from media reports...
nypost.com
And from an interview with one of those Mad Russian Chem developers:
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Alexei Navalny, top Putin foe, allegedly poisoned and hospitalized in a coma
Alexei Navalny, the man seen as one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top critics in the country, was poisoned during a flight from Siberia to Moscow and has since been hospitalized, reports said.
www.foxnews.com
And the clothes theory comes from media reports...
Alexei Navalny demands Russia returns his clothes for Novichok probe
Russian dissident Alexei Navalny on Monday accused Moscow of withholding a key piece of evidence in his poisoning and demanded the return of the clothes he was wearing when he fell deathly ill duri…
nypost.com
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