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Husky_Khan

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Russia is considering an expansion of military personnel as well. Up to 1.5 million personnel apparently from... whatever it was before.



Creating actual new Army Division sized formations again instead of just brigade sized organizations that are so in vogue nowadays.
 

Buba

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As to the "killer robots" - besides the Su-57 and Armata - what other Russian wunderwaffe has been proven to be vapourware/napkinwaffe?
 

lloyd007

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As to the "killer robots" - besides the Su-57 and Armata - what other Russian wunderwaffe has been proven to be vapourware/napkinwaffe?
Honestly, a lot of the Russian kit is serviceable to even good as proven by how the UAF has been performing with it... it's more that Russia's war effort is like a chain metaphorically and there are a dozen links that are far weaker than their equipment...
 

Buba

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a lot of the Russian kit is serviceable to even good as proven by how the UAF has been performing with it
I've no problem with that and I'm not disparaging it.
But over the last 15-20 years or so I've seen wide eyed claims - both from (semi) official Russian and ivanaboo circles - of how uber new Russian kit is. The Armata and Su-57 are - in my eyes - the best examples of this. Neither in mass production and neither making an impression in the war.
 
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Honestly, a lot of the Russian kit is serviceable to even good as proven by how the UAF has been performing with it... it's more that Russia's war effort is like a chain metaphorically and there are a dozen links that are far weaker than their equipment...
Ironically, the post-Soviet production is often plagued with quality issues worse than the Soviet era, sometimes even within the same models of equipment, while the Soviet kit may have extra issues from poor storage conditions depending on who was storing it and where.
I've no problem with that and I'm not disparaging it.
But over the last 15-20 years or so I've seen wide eyed claims - both from (semi) official Russian and ivanaboo circles - of how uber new Russian kit is. The Armata and Su-57 are - in my eyes - the best examples of this. Neither in mass production and neither making an impression in the war.
And the very hi tech stuff is where biggest money skimming, tech shortages and quality issues pop up, as opposed to just slightly improved but otherwise "ironed out" Soviet era designs.
 

Scooby Doo

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Anyone know why exactly all the reasons the Russian mass production isn't as good as it was from the Soviet era?

Like Modern Russia doesn't even seem to be half as good as producing large quantity stuff as Soviet did.
 

Bacle

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Anyone know why exactly all the reasons the Russian mass production isn't as good as it was from the Soviet era?

Like Modern Russia doesn't even seem to be half as good as producing large quantity stuff as Soviet did.
More western products to spend skimmed money on, and more open borders allowing the best and brightest to legally leave for the first time in decades.

Smart and worthwhile Russians tend to get out of Russia as soon as they can.
 

Scooby Doo

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More western products to spend skimmed money on, and more open borders allowing the best and brightest to legally leave for the first time in decades.

Smart and worthwhile Russians tend to get out of Russia as soon as they can.
So if they remained isolationist they would have been stronger in the long term?
 

Bacle

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So if they remained isolationist they would have been stronger in the long term?
Ironically, yes, if only because they would have not experienced the brain-drain had the Iron Curtain remained up.
 
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lloyd007

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Anyone know why exactly all the reasons the Russian mass production isn't as good as it was from the Soviet era?

Like Modern Russia doesn't even seem to be half as good as producing large quantity stuff as Soviet did.
1. Soviet Union had a lot of its industry in parts that aren't part of Russia anymore.

2. The economic collapse and de industrialization after the fall of the USSR was apocalyptic in all ways from the loss of physical infrastructure to the loss of the skill and knowledge base.

3. The war was supposed to last three days to two weeks at most in the Kremlin's estimations. Everyone's stockpiles are being drained at an impressive rate and aside from China if they went after Taiwan maybe, no one has the industry to replenish those stockpiles in any reasonable time.
 

Buba

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1. Soviet Union had a lot of its industry in parts that aren't part of Russia anymore.

2. The economic collapse and de industrialization after the fall of the USSR was apocalyptic in all ways from the loss of physical infrastructure to the loss of the skill and knowledge base.
True, but ... that was a quarter of a century or more ago.
Russia had 30+ years to rebuild design beauros and manufacturing capacity.
It seems that losses due to rot under Yeltsin were not regained under Putin?
 

Marduk

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Anyone know why exactly all the reasons the Russian mass production isn't as good as it was from the Soviet era?

Like Modern Russia doesn't even seem to be half as good as producing large quantity stuff as Soviet did.
Soviet Union had a lot of its higher tech stuff made in other WP\Soviet parts and bought at voodoo economics prices. Particularly Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Poland, Ukraine.
Now they don't have these industrial bases and had to try recreate them locally with... limited success.

Secondly, it's not the 80's anymore. Soviets were backwards in electronics at the end, and the gap only grew for Russia. That gave Russian MIC a choice - stick to old, increasingly obsolete sensors, computer chips, radios etc. that are made domestically, or buy components or full devices from other, not backwards countries (see: French thermals, German optics, massive impact of Taiwan chip sanctions) that are now not available, switching to what manufacturing capability is left for old stuff, or China's export grade equivalents if lucky.
As no one was willing to pay for large factories of the old stuff to stay open and keep people employed (there was no one to buy vast majority their production after all), most were liquidated or massively downscaled over the decades.
They can try rebuilding some of that now, but that raises the question, what are they going to do with all the crappy stuff few years from now after the war, who's going to want it, so is it worth it? Will it even be ready before the war is over?
So if they remained isolationist they would have been stronger in the long term?
I think the term is "open air prison". It's the same way North Korea can do what it does, and Cuba has its mythical "cheap *and* good" healthcare for tourists. Why pay the smartest people in the country world rates, when you can ban them from leaving and pay them just a somewhat better than the local third world working class and just not allow them to leave to get paid better anywhere else.
True, but ... that was a quarter of a century or more ago.
Russia had 30+ years to rebuild design beauros and manufacturing capacity.
It seems that losses due to rot under Yeltsin were not regained under Putin?
It had no use for it, capability and nor funding to get the capability, especially after the local corruption had its way with the budget.
 

Husky_Khan

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Covert Cabal offering low confidence estimates on how many T-54 Tanks Russia may have in reserve.

 
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ATP

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What next are we gonna see WW1 tanks enter the war?............. We are aren't we.
First,not possible,they captured less then 100 from whites and poles,and they are long gone except few in museums.

Second - YOU FALL FOR COMRADE PUTIN GENIUS TRICK! REAL ARMY WITH 2300 ARMATA IS WAITING TO GO AND TAKE ENTIRE EUROPE!

Jokes aside - they do not have that,but they still could have some plan to win,for example superebola.
If it start in USA or China,nobody would suspect them.
And since they would survive in bunkers,they would not care how many their plebs would die.
 

PsihoKekec

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Considering they have thousands of later model T-55s in storage? Most likely sent to the training ranges to be expended as targets. Unless the rumors of conversion to remote guided VBIED are true.
 

lloyd007

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Considering they have thousands of later model T-55s in storage? Most likely sent to the training ranges to be expended as targets. Unless the rumors of conversion to remote guided VBIED are true.
T-55 VBIED's is really scraping the bottom of the barrel considering even beyond mobility and fuel supply issues any explosion will take the path of least resistance out the top, bottom and rear of the tank rather than the much thicker armored front and sides.

They're more likely either going to be used as artillery because of the possible warehouses full of 100mm shells and if the Kremlin is starting to give any fks about its troops or as tanks if they still DNGAF, especially since they'll be losing 4 men as opposed to 3 when they get ammo racked.
 

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T-55 VBIED's is really scraping the bottom of the barrel considering even beyond mobility and fuel supply issues any explosion will take the path of least resistance out the top, bottom and rear of the tank rather than the much thicker armored front and sides.

They're more likely either going to be used as artillery because of the possible warehouses full of 100mm shells and if the Kremlin is starting to give any fks about its troops or as tanks if they still DNGAF, especially since they'll be losing 4 men as opposed to 3 when they get ammo racked.
Wouldn't be as bad as auto loading tanks since the ammo is stored differently
 

PsihoKekec

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T-55 VBIED's is really scraping the bottom of the barrel

The few T-55 SVBIEDs ISIS used were fairly effective and Russians can go further by turning them into multiton thermobaric bombs, with enough forward applique armor to survive the trip to heavily defende positions. However their use as targets at training ranges is much more likely.
 

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