History Rants & Raves About Zee Germans Runoff Thread

[ATP]

We all knew about soviet-german Alliance from 1939.But,german democratic politicians tried that many times before.

After 1918 basically all german parties belived in "knive in the back" and "bad,ungrateful poles" myths.Hence,they wanted to finish off Poland from the beginning.
In 1918 Gdańsk SPD agitated against Poland,telling that fighting against Poland is fight for socialism.
When we made uprising and liberated Poznań and GreatPoland,SPD described it as "polish imperialism"
German press lied about "polish intolerance" and "polish pogroms" ,not only to german,but lied to entire world.

When Polish State formally rise again in 1919,all german parties treated it as attack on so called "german honour"
Even for Nobel prize pacyfist,Alfred Fried,it was keeping "great german nation" in "iron cage"

When soviets almost taken Warsaw in 1920,german supported them delivering war materials,and blocking that for Poland.When soviets openly said,that they are going for Berlin through polish corpse.
German hate for Poland was arleady suicidal then.

Idiots even tried to talk with Lenin about border from 1914.When he openly said about taking entire Europe.

In 1922 in Rapallo germans made first alliance with soviets,and german goal was,like german chancellor Joseph Wirth/catholic/ to new ambassador in Moscov,/Urlich von Brockdorff-Rantzau/ finishing off Poland.

Wjhen Gustav Stresemann become Chancellor in 1923,he continued this unholy alliance.He was liberal,but ,like all german politicians,hated Poland.
First,in Locarno/1925/ he manage to get one-sided peace with France,with open borders on East,especially against Poland.

He get Nobel prize for what basically was open declaration of war against Poland.
He also tried destroy Poland with tariffs and later declaring it as effect of "polnische Wirtschaft" ,but failed.

In 1926 he made another deal with soviets in Berlin,giving them military technology in exchange for testing german prototypes on soviet soil.

So,basically,all german democratic elected politicians hated Poland so much,that they made pacts which would let to soviets destroing Poland with them - and later taking Germany and entire Europe.

ETERNAL TEUTONS,indeed.
And,they learn notching - now they are making the same mistake.

Dunno,why some people belive that germans are soo smart....

 

[ATP]

About fake heroes fighting bad nazis,which totally was not germans.

First - Claus von Stauffenberg - dude who in 1939 fully supported aggression on Poland,and made photos of murdered cyvilians/there was no polish soldiers there/ ,and wrote to his waifu about bad poles who should work for germans using whips.
And how they should coilonize poland.
Add his photo with burned polish home.

Till 1942 still supported Hitler,and changed his heart when was injured in Africa and germans started loosing war.
In other worlds,coward who supported german state till it win,but betrayed when they start loosing.

And idiot,becouse really belived,that Allies agree to peace when germans gave up france and Belgium,but let them keep stolen polish lands without giving anytching to soviets.
When,after Techeran in 1943,everybody saw,that half of Europe was given to soviets.

Well,we poles were blind,too - but we,unlike german idiots,at least do not committed genocide.
Yep,we were noble idiots.

Bad,but - still better then genocidal german idiots.

Remember ,folks - if you decide to be stupid,at least be noble !

 

[Simonbob]

Remember ,folks - if you decide to be stupid,at least be noble !

I like that one.

But..... A guy who's long dead? Let him go. The Past is gone. The Future is the important one, the one we can change.


History is most useful as a tool to help see what's coming.

 

[Jormungandr]

@ATP Bro, we get it -- you hate Germany and Russia. But this obsession of yours is unhealthy.

Take a chill pill.

 

[Simonbob]

I don't even blame you.

There have been some serious assholes over the years.



If you want to bring these guys up, could you find a link to discuss them? We'll talk about them, if they catch our interests.

 

[ATP]

I like that one.

But..... A guy who's long dead? Let him go. The Past is gone. The Future is the important one, the one we can change.


History is most useful as a tool to help see what's coming.

No,it is not.
That is why germans replaced german crimes with nazi crimes,and now blaming it on me.
It is self-defense.
Becouse if notching change,germans would take over Europe,including Poland,and destroy us again.

@ATP Bro, we get it -- you hate Germany and Russia. But this obsession of yours is unhealthy.

Take a chill pill.

I do not care about german losers,and Russia was murdered by soviets long ago.
I simply do not want to be destroyed by germans again,when they fuck up their great plan to take over world - but they manage to destroy Poland,just like before.

If germans stopped trying to take over Poland,i would forget about their existence.

 

[Simonbob]

If germans stopped trying to take over Poland,i would forget about their existence.

Ok.

Then, is there a movement towards making Poland indepdant? You should support that.

I don't mind chatting, but we're just a chat board. We can help you think things through, but that's all we can do.

 

[ATP]

Ok.

Then, is there a movement towards making Poland indepdant? You should support that.

I don't mind chatting, but we're just a chat board. We can help you think things through, but that's all we can do.

Sadly,no
Our goverment are good socialists who love EU,only have problems when germans try turn us into colony.
Tusk is german agent who once turned Poland into german colony.
Left want turn us into lgbt shit.
Konfederacja - they want independent Poland,but precisely becouse of it EU would never let them rule.

And,difference between Germany and any normal country is that they think about themselves/except us,who want die noble for somebody who hate us/
When germans try to take over Europe - and always fail thanks to their own stupidity.

 

[Cherico]

@ATP Bro, we get it -- you hate Germany and Russia. But this obsession of yours is unhealthy.

Take a chill pill.

Hes polish and has centuries worth of venting to do.

 

[ATP]

Hes polish and has centuries worth of venting to do.

No,i do not want another WW lost by germans thanks to their own stupidity,which still destroy Poland.
If germans stopped trying to take over Europe,especially Poland,i would forget about them.

 

[Simonbob]

No,i do not want another WW lost by germans thanks to their own stupidity,which still destroy Poland.
If germans stopped trying to take over Europe,especially Poland,i would forget about them.

I seriously hope you'll get it, but it's not likely.



Have you got a link about Claus von Stauffenberg? I'm a little curious, now.

 

[ATP]

I seriously hope you'll get it, but it's not likely.



Have you got a link about Claus von Stauffenberg? I'm a little curious, now.

notching in english,but here article about his participation in crimes committed in Wieluń by knightly germans.
Unfortunatelly,in polish:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjcvOTMn46BAxVhLBAIHXawAqAQFnoECA0QAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.historiawielunia.fora.pl%2Fhistoria%2C8%2Fvon-stauffenberg-epizod-wielunski%2C360.html&usg=AOvVaw0HMEyrsMYqPJIe-9PYSY2l&opi=89978449

 

[Simonbob]

notching in english,but here article about his participation in crimes committed in Wieluń by knightly germans.
Unfortunatelly,in polish:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjcvOTMn46BAxVhLBAIHXawAqAQFnoECA0QAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.historiawielunia.fora.pl%2Fhistoria%2C8%2Fvon-stauffenberg-epizod-wielunski%2C360.html&usg=AOvVaw0HMEyrsMYqPJIe-9PYSY2l&opi=89978449

Thanks.

Not sure what I can do with it, but thanks nonetheless.

 

[ATP]

Thanks.

Not sure what I can do with it, but thanks nonetheless.

Sorry,my mistake,it was not best source,here better:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjNq97D3paBAxW6AhAIHR2VDCoQFnoECBsQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcai24.pl%2Fna-glowne%2F49111%2Fkanclerz-scholz-czci-zbrodniarza-napadajacego-w-39-r-na-wielun%2F&usg=AOvVaw3Lsrs7CRr7da-NYY8fcDda&opi=89978449

Basically,Stauffenberg participated in taking ruins of polish town Wieluń,after Luftwaffe /Ju87/destroyed 75% of it,including hospital with Big Red Cross on roof.Parts of patients were on neraby trees,and german pilots hunted survivors who try run.
There was no even one polish soldier there.

Our hero made photos of destroyed polish homes,and murdered cyvilians,and send to waof.
In latter he was happy,that we become german slaves and germans could colonize Poland.
One of reasons why he considered us as inferior - we lived with jews.

He changed his mind in 1942 when germans started loosing - but till then,he supported Hitler.

In other worlds,not hero,becouse hero would oppose Hitler from 1939 and fight for Poland,but coward who betrayed his master when he could lost.

 

[Simonbob]

So, a lying nazi being held up, most likely by people too dumb to even check what they're looking at, as a hero.

I've seen that before. Heck, look at the history of Nelson Mandela, and Che Guevara.



There are a lot of people who want to whitewash monsters. Pity the Germans are willing to do that with nazis.

 

[ATP]

So, a lying nazi being held up, most likely by people too dumb to even check what they're looking at, as a hero.

I've seen that before. Heck, look at the history of Nelson Mandela, and Che Guevara.



There are a lot of people who want to whitewash monsters. Pity the Germans are willing to do that with nazis.

Till at least 1955 he was considered by germans as traitor,not hero,but later could pass as hero becouse his crimes in Poland was either unknown,or mentioned by polish commies who killed more poles then Stauffenberg.

To be honest, i would doubt in any proofs delivered by commies,too
Even after 1990 Wieluń massacre was known,but not Stauffenberg participation in it,only historians knew about that.

But now,it is not secret anymore,and germans could really find another hero - for example,like this german worker who tried kill Hitler with bomb in 1939 after invasion of Poland.

Forget name,as usual.

 

[ATP]

Another proof of german democrats stupidity.
In 1970 polish "friend" ,Willy Brandt,go to Moscov to made deal with soviets/Aliexiej Kosygin/ - germans delivered know-how how to made pipelines for soviet oil on Siberia,and even delivered some.

Thanks to that,soviets do not fell few years later,and become again capable of taking over Europe.
If we had some Democrat as president, then soviets would attack and USA did notching except saber-rattling or nuking few polish cities.
Then,germany would be soviet property,partially destroyed during fighting.

And again,germans did so becouse of Poland - they knew,that they must pay reparations for their crimes during WW2,so part of the deal was that soviet made commie Poland do not talk about reparations.

Avoid reparations to get conqered by soviets....yep,german democrats in their finest!

 

[Aldarion]

@ATP Bro, we get it -- you hate Germany and Russia. But this obsession of yours is unhealthy.

Take a chill pill.

France, Germany and Russia are pretty much the reason why the entire West is such a pile of crap, garbage and crappy garbage.

Add UK and USA as an inspiration / distant cause. And Islam as a hatty cause.

 

[Aldarion]

Germany actually cooperated with USSR on rearmament since 1919:

Private Site

 

[ATP]

Germany actually cooperated with USSR on rearmament since 1919:

Private Site

Interesting, i though that they did so from 1926.
Idiots,if they get their wet dream and partioned Poland with soviets,they would end in the same mass graves as we.
To be honest,Hitler saved their asses attacking soviets before they backstabbed him - becouse any democratic german goverment would never did so,and gather lesser army.

We would have soviet Europe now,if german democrats ruled instead of Adolf.