Can I just ask why you think the military would back a socialist revolution?
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Aaron Fox
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Because the vast majority of it is made up of people who have families and if they're suffering, well loyalty would be suspect at best. You might have the upper echelons on your side, but that doesn't matter if you don't have troops to command.
40thousandninjas
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This is hilarious.
One of my best friends is an E4, Senior Airman, not even a non-com.
Let's see. He's got food, rent and health insurance taken care of by the military. He's getting paid to take college classes on the military's dime to develop a practical skill set for when he gets out and not even dipping into the GI bill. He's got access to the VA home loan, which basically means no money down for when he buys a house and he could use it as often as he would like.
There's also tax advantages and investment schemas like the thrift savings plan (which charges something like 10% of Vanguard does which is amazing) unique to military members and federal employees.
There are bonuses too that often pay out tens of thousands of dollars.
That's not even counting fringe benefits like access to the Amex platinum credit card which is usually a $550 a year fee.
A huge percentage of American troops join to get massive financial benefits.
The US military has problems, every large organization does but the idea they will back a revolution is so utterly ignorant as to be completely laughable.
Ah, so your solution is to destroy modern secular society so that the radical religious take over, al la Russia or the various ex socialist states in the Middle East.
Well, if we destroy all wealth, that will destroy most socialist impulses, as they'll be too busy trying not to starve to death to engage in revolution.
Why not just kill the bottom 20% if you want to condemn them to crushing poverty? Seems lightly kinder than your solution of perminate servitude.
But, if you think creating a class of serfs who will own nothing and have no stake in anything about society is the better solution. Well, your solution honestly seems a bit kray kray.
Said families are disproportionately middle class.
Demographics of the U.S. Military
Deployed around the world, the armed forces are a pillar of U.S. power and influence abroad. But many civilians are unfamiliar with their composition. How much does the military resemble U.S. society?
www.cfr.org
Top and bottom quintiles are under represented while middle three are over represented. Marines and Army lean more conservative and those are the branches with the shooty boys, meaning its likely that those who sign up for combat branches are disproportionately conservative. Your theory doesnt hold water.
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The level of hilarious wrongness in this is utterly amazing. I know a gentleman who quit being a middle school teacher to join up out of patriotism in the War on Terror and now works as a DOD armed security guard. He barely makes more than the Domino's driver in that area, but his commitment to the constitution and hatred of communism and contempt for café liberals is absolute. He's also a really nice, stand-up funny guy who I consider a friend....
Your niavity is outstripped only by your ignorance.
GooseActual
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The US military is paid hilariously well compared to most other armed forces. Even junior NCO ranks can easily make middle class wages, to say nothing about benefits like healthcare, education,
Military and veterans love America and the last thing on their minds is overthrow it for the same ideology that purged the military of competent leaders and then fed the troops into meat grinder after meat grinder.... for lower pay and less benefits.
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Even in Russia where the military partially revolted against a dysfunctional regime losing a war, in the grip of foreign agents and mystic peasants, and where Vodka had been banned, national revenues collapsed, and starvation had set in, enough of the Army supported the ancien regime that it was a near run thing in a civil war that killed millions. So I am going to safely conclude that if Mr. Fox had his way, at a bare minimum, there would be a civil war killing millions of people.
Mr. Fox, is that worth it to you?
Mr. Fox, is that worth it to you?
The only thing that I think springs to mind that could cause a majority of the military to revolt would be to bring back Omelet MREs and then replace all other MREs with them. At least, the majority of stomachs would be in revolt.
"Tax the shit out of the Rich", he says. Do you really think they are going to stay in a shithole in the making where they are forced to pay for every lazy wannabe-revolutionary that finished college with a literally useless degree like gender studies or underwater weaving? Nope, they will liquidate their assets where they can, transfer their wealth to swizerland instead, and seek some non-shithole where they can freely abuse their wealth because the locals aren't used to anything else.
Great going, Mr. "Free munies for everyone!"
Likely yes.
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I actually had an opportunity to try the chicken chimichangas Natick is prototyping for the MRE replacement and I didn’t throw up or spend the next day in the restroom, but I also only had like three slices on a sample plate. So I guess as soon as RDECOM transitions those to acquisition we’ve future proofed America against communism.
Francis Urquhart
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It's pretty obvious "Aaron Fox" was trolling/flamebaiting and I would suggest we simply ignore him. Is there a facility to put people on "ignore" here?
MREs are a much more interesting subject than his ranting. One of the surprising things about military rations these days is how good they are. The French are best of course - their roasted ostrich in cranberry sauce is to die for while their cassoulet wins approval from even cordon bleu chefs. For those two one can forgive them vinogel. Sadly the Russians have stopped putting a 100 gram vodka ration in their 24-hour MRE boxes but the food in those boxes is pretty good if one likes that sort of thing. Most of the Asian countries have pretty good rations these days although my Thai Army friends complain that the Army Penang curry is a bit bland.
I think the US military rations are a little behind the curve but not much.
MREs are a much more interesting subject than his ranting. One of the surprising things about military rations these days is how good they are. The French are best of course - their roasted ostrich in cranberry sauce is to die for while their cassoulet wins approval from even cordon bleu chefs. For those two one can forgive them vinogel. Sadly the Russians have stopped putting a 100 gram vodka ration in their 24-hour MRE boxes but the food in those boxes is pretty good if one likes that sort of thing. Most of the Asian countries have pretty good rations these days although my Thai Army friends complain that the Army Penang curry is a bit bland.
I think the US military rations are a little behind the curve but not much.
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Natick is very much treating the issue seriously. I didn’t try all of the samples at this event, most had beef, but they were basically being used as the hors d’ouevres and nobody complained.