peter Zeihan 2020

The Taiwanese know it and at a guess, they have built a few nukes to make a statement if China invades.

Or some other WMD, they have the industrial base and mind capital to make it happen. If they did it smart and had the weapons not completely assembled it would skirt international law, I do believe.

Same for Ukraine, which was the number 3 nuke power until the gave them to the USA, in exchange for US protection guarantees. Not that it worked out all too well, with incompetents currently pretending to be in charge here in the US.
 
They had guarantees from Russia as well.
Don't go blaming yhr US.
Sure I can, because we took responsibility to guarantee Russia would not invade Ukraine to remove a nuclear power off the table.

Do you think the Russians did not look at the current government and go “What are they going to do”?

If not outright backchannel confirmation of not keeping treaty obligations to protect Ukraine from Russia.
 
Sure I can, because we took responsibility to guarantee Russia would not invade Ukraine to remove a nuclear power off the table.

Do you think the Russians did not look at the current government and go “What are they going to do”?

If not outright backchannel confirmation of not keeping treaty obligations to protect Ukraine from Russia.

Its not that simple of saying one side broke the agreement. Everyone did.

That agreement became null and void the moment Ukraine started courting NATO or at least inquired about it. But that only happened after Russia annexed Crimea. Part of the security agreement by the United States and the Former Soviet Union (Not yet Russian Federation) was that Ukraine would remain a neutral country in the Russian Sphere of influence. Both sides agreed to that and so long as everyone abided by that agreement everything was fine. Even when Ukraine petitioned for EU membership the Russians didn't seem to raise any objections. Then came the coup in 2014 and the annexation of Crimea and with it a shift in Ukraine away from Russia and towards the West. Ukraine was clearly actively courting NATO and seemed to be thumbing their noses at Moscow. Which is more than understandable. The Nation has been and continues to be horribly abused by the Russians.

But for the Russians this was the red line and so they acted. Now I bitch about my own Government and the shenanigans they get up too. But in this they are not solely responsible. Ukraine made a move as a Sovereign state to turn away from Russia. A move they had all rights to do. Russia still views Ukraine as their property and territory and have vocally stated this repeatedly. They saw the move as a threat and invaded.

So who broke the agreement? Everyone technically had a hand in it, but the biggest break came from Ukraine and then Russia, with NATO and the US having a small part to play by actively allowing Ukraine to court them and antagonizing the Russians.

There is also some serious corruption going in Ukraine with the Biden crime family and Barisma. But how much that plays into the war is anyone's guess, so I didn't mention it.
 
To hold any validity Ukraine would have no liberty for self-determination of their nation.
Your logic is flawed, or are you saying Ukraine had to do what Russia wanted no matter what?
You sound like someone rationalizing a man beating a child by saying “ He/she would not stop crying”.
 
Its not that simple of saying one side broke the agreement. Everyone did.

That agreement became null and void the moment Ukraine started courting NATO or at least inquired about it.
Absolutely wrong. Read the agreement. It says absolutely nothing against Ukraine considering such organizations. If it was against, Belarus, another country covered by the agreement, actually being in close military and economic alliances with Russia since a long time (as opposed to considering it), would also be a breach of the agreement, yet even most hawkish western politicians don't say that.
But that only happened after Russia annexed Crimea. Part of the security agreement by the United States and the Former Soviet Union (Not yet Russian Federation) was that Ukraine would remain a neutral country in the Russian Sphere of influence.
There is no such treaty (outside of imaginations of some delusional people that is, who can never show its name and written content), and if there was, it would be self-contradictory. A country cannot be neutral if its in "Russian sphere of influence", especially considering how it looks realisticaly (Belarus). Its one or another, and we know which Russia prefers.
Both sides agreed to that and so long as everyone abided by that agreement everything was fine. Even when Ukraine petitioned for EU membership the Russians didn't seem to raise any objections. Then came the coup in 2014 and the annexation of Crimea and with it a shift in Ukraine away from Russia and towards the West.
The coup didn't come out of nowhere.
I keep having to remind people what happened in the year before it.
Ukraine was clearly actively courting NATO and seemed to be thumbing their noses at Moscow. Which is more than understandable. The Nation has been and continues to be horribly abused by the Russians.
Ironically the relationship fallout that lead to Maidan was about EU association agreement.
Ukraine only got seriously interested in NATO after that, Maidan and 2014's events.

TL;DR even Russia's buddy president in Ukraine was courting EU because euromonies, but Russia has further reaching plans that this would get in the way of (basically gradual peaceful anschluss of Belarus and Ukraine into Russia, but that's another story), so they pulled his leash so fucking hard that it generated massive outrage in Ukraine. On the other hand it worked in getting the president in question to fall in line. But that only shifted the public outrage at having such a cucked president to the president rather than Russia, outrage which was fueled straight into Maidan.
 
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Huh. I approaching this more from a NATO/Russian standpoint, not exactly what was going on necessarily in Ukraine and between it and its people and Russia. A sort of macro overview. But I knew I was missing a lot of nuance.
 
there is a reason pure hydrogen for fuel hasn't had a great rep since the Hindenburg
The Hindenburg didn't even use hydrogen as fuel, it used regular aviation fuel to drive it's engines as far as I know. It used hydrogen as a lifting gas... and it wasn't even designed for it, it was actually designed to use Helium, the thing was, for SOME REASON the world's only supplier of helium at the time, some backwater country called the US, wasn't willing to sell that much helium to the Government of 1930s Germany... So they redesigned it to use hydrogen.
 
The Hindenburg didn't even use hydrogen as fuel, it used regular aviation fuel to drive it's engines as far as I know. It used hydrogen as a lifting gas... and it wasn't even designed for it, it was actually designed to use Helium, the thing was, for SOME REASON the world's only supplier of helium at the time, some backwater country called the US, wasn't willing to sell that much helium to the Government of 1930s Germany... So they redesigned it to use hydrogen.
Hydrogen doesn't have to be in the 'fuel system' for it to be dangerous, nor did I say or imply hydrogen is what was in the Hindenburgs engines.
 
To be fair, pretty much the entire western establishment media complex was insisting that it would, and sadly Zeihan tends to trust them on matters outside of his very narrow wheelhouse.

Zeihan is your average Liberal Neo-Con, it's not that he doesn't know, it's that he's paid to make up shit. He said the same thing about China with the U.S. tech sanctions.
 
Remember last year when Peter was claiming the sanctions would collapse the Russian oil industry lol?

We all thought that some one would have blown up some russian oil tankers by now I mean all it takes is a few Ukranians in a speed boat and a Toe to take one down and then you have more or less fucked their entire industry. Its honestly surprising that the Ukrainians are being as restrained as they are in whats essentially a total war for national survival.
 
We all thought that some one would have blown up some russian oil tankers by now I mean all it takes is a few Ukranians in a speed boat and a Toe to take one down and then you have more or less fucked their entire industry. Its honestly surprising that the Ukrainians are being as restrained as they are in whats essentially a total war for national survival.

The problem is there is no Russian tanker fleet to hit; they're crewed and flagged through other countries. One of those countries is somebody Ukraine does not want to make mad:



Likewise, given Europe is still using Russian oil, that would be shooting themselves in the foot:

 
Zeihan talked about it a bit last year, but the Russians didn't go into this venture entirely half-cocked. They took steps to insulate themselves from the inevitable sanctions. This has resulted in the sanctions having mixed results, something our childishly simplistic media atmosphere has struggled to comprehend or convey.

They have also benefited from the fact that most third-party nations consider the US' anger over this invasion a little hypocritical given that we've spent the last twenty years scrambling the Middle East like a Waffle House egg. We're burning fairly irreplaceable economic and diplomatic chips to enforce middling sanctions against a nation capable of autarky. I'm with Zeihan that BRICS is a load, but that's only for now. We're giving the rest of the world increasing reason to make their own economic system free of American influence and we're not even receiving a good return for the cost.
 
Zeihan talked about it a bit last year, but the Russians didn't go into this venture entirely half-cocked. They took steps to insulate themselves from the inevitable sanctions. This has resulted in the sanctions having mixed results, something our childishly simplistic media atmosphere has struggled to comprehend or convey.

They have also benefited from the fact that most third-party nations consider the US' anger over this invasion a little hypocritical given that we've spent the last twenty years scrambling the Middle East like a Waffle House egg. We're burning fairly irreplaceable economic and diplomatic chips to enforce middling sanctions against a nation capable of autarky. I'm with Zeihan that BRICS is a load, but that's only for now. We're giving the rest of the world increasing reason to make their own economic system free of American influence and we're not even receiving a good return for the cost.

I can see regional systems working but you need the region to be some culturally cohesive and able to work together.

Latin america I think could pull off a regional trade system, most people speak a similar language, have a similar culture and its one of the safest places in the world geo politically speaking. They could pull off a system of sorts.

The middle east.

Right now its a fight between Turkey, Iran and Saudi arabia who gets to be hedgemon of the region. The winner of that conflict will be able to reshape the region in their own image and if their able to move in before the west finally gets its act together and admits it has a problem they could conquer europe and make its wealth and resources its own so they could pull it off.


China....China could go at it with their own system but not under the CCP. Quite simply put the CCP is fucking up hard and has pissed off the entire region and the very foundations of their state are rotten. But remove the rot and they can do quite well for themselves.

India is already its own independent power block and are a great power if they invested in their infostructor and built it up they are fully capable of doing amazing things.
 
Zeihan talked about it a bit last year, but the Russians didn't go into this venture entirely half-cocked. They took steps to insulate themselves from the inevitable sanctions. This has resulted in the sanctions having mixed results, something our childishly simplistic media atmosphere has struggled to comprehend or convey.

They have also benefited from the fact that most third-party nations consider the US' anger over this invasion a little hypocritical given that we've spent the last twenty years scrambling the Middle East like a Waffle House egg. We're burning fairly irreplaceable economic and diplomatic chips to enforce middling sanctions against a nation capable of autarky. I'm with Zeihan that BRICS is a load, but that's only for now. We're giving the rest of the world increasing reason to make their own economic system free of American influence and we're not even receiving a good return for the cost.

America and Russia both signed a treaty to protect Ukraines sovereignty.

As for the world unhappy with American leadership, ironic that after 75 years of trying to enforce freedom of the seas so the world can be more prosperous, ( yes it benefited America too), The World is reverting to pre-WWII outlook. Europe is in trouble. I remember when a field grade from one of our NATO partners said, “ We do not have an effective military because we have the US. Why spend money when you will Come if anything happens”…… paraphrased from a conversation 20 years ago. It seemed more a dig on his own government's policies. Now Europe is scrambling for more equipment, but well-trained military takes time and money to be effective. A 200% increase in military funding is not a good Army today, but a better Army in a decade.

Ironic that the world might be begging for Americans to come help as things fall into the pot. I hope Europe pulls it together, especially France. They need some help. As Peter would say, “demographic decline”…. Last I read the French population growth was approaching 4 out of 5 babies born in France are not ethnic French.

India looks like it might do okay, corruption is one of their biggest issues to overcome.

China as talked about above the CCP done burnt the Golden Goose and might feel some blowback. A good chance of civil war and separation of Tibet, Mongolia, and a split of Han Chinese areas.
Ironic if Taiwan takes back some of the mainland….. Or is asked to comeback to put things in order after it collapses. Vietnam and India might take back decades of lost territory.

Something I have thought about after a talk with an interpreter. He asked me “ Why is the US so prosperous and his country so backward”?

My 1st point had to do with educating woman, you can not keep more than 50% of your population not productive.

But the first one topic came up Western culture has learned to be more productive, but is also more fragile. Clan / tribal culture developed to function in a less modern world. Clan culture would keep chugging along w/o globalization, specialization, industrial farming, and electricity (etc).

Unless a country is self-reliant for food, energy, manufacturing, material resources, etc….. Covid stupid was a hint of supply chain issues that are still being felt.
 
Zeihan talked about it a bit last year, but the Russians didn't go into this venture entirely half-cocked. They took steps to insulate themselves from the inevitable sanctions. This has resulted in the sanctions having mixed results, something our childishly simplistic media atmosphere has struggled to comprehend or convey.

At this point, you can't even claim mixed results:

 

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