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Cherico

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Sure, the US could massively out produce Russia when it came to nuclear weapons. But the political will really isn't there.

You think that Biden is going to go to Congress and ask for funding to drastically increase the US nuclear arsenal? Or that Congress would give it to him at the moment even if he asked?

He would have to give massive concessions but yeah increasing the arsenal is possible. Problem is the democrats need to get used to the idea their not going to get their way all of the time.
 

UberIguana

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Increasing the number of warheads is only part of the process, and probably the easiest part. You need to increase delivery platforms for the bombs to be worth anything. How many bombers can Russia's budget sustain? How many more ICBMs can they build? How many cruise missiles can they stockpile while resisting the urge to throw them at random bits of Ukraine?

Comprehensive nuclear arsenals are expensive and as we've seen, Russia can't really afford what it already has, never mind a bunch of new stuff. They gain literally nothing from withdrawing from START.

China's not going to like this either, as it means no more restrictions on any US buildups.
 

Megadeath

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How much value is there in the US actually increasing their arsenal though? What they have is more than enough, and no one else has any meaningful way of degrading their strike power either through defences or a pre-emptive strike. Certainly not to such a degree that they're not militarily destroyed regardless. Building more just seems like it'd be mostly pointless posturing.
 

Cherico

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Which worries me, because it probably means we're that much closer to them actually using what they do have in the near future; regardless of the consequences.
Human civilization would likely continue expecialy since their nukes had a 20 percent failure rate when they were brand new
 

DarthOne

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Human civilization would likely continue expecialy since their nukes had a 20 percent failure rate when they were brand new
I’m sure that will be a big comfort to all the radioactive corpses. Oh and the survivors as they drop dead from cancer and once easily-treatable diseases and starvation thanks to even a ‘small scale’ nuclear war killing billions and royally fucking with the international trade network.

You are far, far too cavalier about all this and what even a handful of nukes could do to society as we know it. Never mind what the politicians will do; use this as an excuse to grab even more power and push the world down the cyberpunk dystopia we already are living in.
 

Prince Ire

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Increasing the number of warheads is only part of the process, and probably the easiest part. You need to increase delivery platforms for the bombs to be worth anything. How many bombers can Russia's budget sustain? How many more ICBMs can they build? How many cruise missiles can they stockpile while resisting the urge to throw them at random bits of Ukraine?

Comprehensive nuclear arsenals are expensive and as we've seen, Russia can't really afford what it already has, never mind a bunch of new stuff. They gain literally nothing from withdrawing from START.

China's not going to like this either, as it means no more restrictions on any US buildups.
Not to mention building new missile bases (plenty have been decomissioned and come under private ownership, ignoring whether they'd meet modern standards even if they were available), etc.

Not sure what the point of building new nukes would be. We have more than enough already, it would just be a pointless waste of money.
 

Cherico

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I’m sure that will be a big comfort to all the radioactive corpses. Oh and the survivors as they drop dead from cancer and once easily-treatable diseases and starvation thanks to even a ‘small scale’ nuclear war killing billions and royally fucking with the international trade network.

You are far, far too cavalier about all this and what even a handful of nukes could do to society as we know it. Never mind what the politicians will do; use this as an excuse to grab even more power and push the world down the cyberpunk dystopia we already are living in.

Once you start paying Daneguild you never get rid of the dane.

Russia is going to use the threat of nuclear obliteration no matter what, all we can do is build better defenses, better weapon systems and completely end their civilization if they ever go mad enough to press the button.
 

DarthOne

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Once you start paying Daneguild you never get rid of the dane.

Russia is going to use the threat of nuclear obliteration no matter what, all we can do is build better defenses, better weapon systems and completely end their civilization if they ever go mad enough to press the button.
Meanwhile all the defense contractors and military-industrialists are rubbing their hands like stereotypical ‘greedy Jew’ meme.
 

Cherico

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Meanwhile all the defense contractors and military-industrialists are rubbing their hands like stereotypical ‘greedy Jew’ meme.

We really only have to outlast Russia, they were kind of turbo fucked by the entire 20th century and its finally coming back to bite them.
 

Bassoe

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Is India the Next China?
Large population of potential laborers, little in the way of worker protections and politically stable enough that companies don't fear their investments will be destroyed or nationalized? I'd absolutely argue they could repeat China's stratagy of becoming a manufacturing superpower.
 

Cherico

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Large population of potential laborers, little in the way of worker protections and politically stable enough that companies don't fear their investments will be destroyed or nationalized? I'd absolutely argue they could repeat China's stratagy of becoming a manufacturing superpower.
He's arguing their foundations more stable than china's was.
 

Cherico

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essentially the russians are defying sanctions with gold europes trying to stop it but thats a lot easier said then done. Still if your wondering why the price of gold hasn't skyrocketed its likely because Russias using their reserves to keep themselves afloat. How much reserves do they have?"

No one knows.
 

PeaceMaker 03

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Well if we could just get control of the border, but then we would have to go after the money movers and a lot of people do not want that.

Texas and Arizona had over 200 beauracrata and elected official convicted of assisting the cartel back in 2014-2016ish,( can not remember the year). You must assume they are ass effective as anything else along the border, as in statistically irrelevant.
 

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