Payment Processors Targeting People They Don't Like
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Yinko
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Dude hasn't been in the media for years at this point. This isn't about rep, this is some lefty at the bank being vindictive.
Doomsought
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Are banks even allowed to do that?
DarthOne
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Probably no, but when has that ever stopped them?
It's a credit card not bank account, so yes.
Bear Ribs
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It's credit so they're allowed unless he can prove that the "reputational damage" they're claiming is actually part of a protected class.
The current protected classes are Race, Sex*, Religious Belief, National Origin, Age, Pregnancy, Citizenship, Familial Status, Disability, Genetic Information, and Veteran Status. It's fairly unlikely he can establish that any of these are their concern and it would be trivial for them to claim otherwise, he could try to claim it's his veteran status but all they have to do is say it's his politics, as political views are not a protected class.
*Includes orientation.
One of those days, these creditors will end up at the hands of a eerily calm mob.
It wont be now, it wont be this decade.
Peaceful change is still possible, though difficult.
If it fails I think we see that happen in the 2060s.
This is an important story so I'm spinning it off of the Cringe Journalism thread since it's not Cringe Journalism. It's Cringe.... Payment Processing... Practices? Regardless this is an issue and has been going on for a while long before Michael Flynn was targeted, so it deserves its own thread instead of being buried in another one.
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Chinese Dissident Ai Weiwei and his Foundation are having their Credit Suisse account closed due to the Banks new policy of not allowing those with criminal records having accounts with the bank in a new policy... which is still odd since Ai Weiwei has never been convicted of any crime.
Back in 2011 the artist who helped design some of the 2008 Beijing Olympic venues was imprisoned for over eighty days after a falling out with the regime though he was never charged with a crime then either. Now living in Portugal, Ai Weiwei is still practicing art and engaging in work as an activist.
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He's encountered similar issues in dealing with banks in Germany and Hong Kong.
Back in 2011 the artist who helped design some of the 2008 Beijing Olympic venues was imprisoned for over eighty days after a falling out with the regime though he was never charged with a crime then either. Now living in Portugal, Ai Weiwei is still practicing art and engaging in work as an activist.
Ai Weiwei says Credit Suisse closing account over ‘criminal record’ in China
The dissident artist says he was told to move funds out of his foundation’s bank account in Switzerland despite never being convicted of a crime.
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He's encountered similar issues in dealing with banks in Germany and Hong Kong.
bintananth
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Guess they don't want to do business with the US because you'd be hard pressed to find any American who hasn't done something worthy of an arrest warrant.
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
The nice thing about being leftist filth is that there's no rule of law, merely tools to achieve progress. They can enforce their policies whenever they decide to, always sometimes or never. The decisionmakers are corporate scums so there's no personal liability, and even the corporation itself is shielded from liability by the expense of years- or decades-long court cases. Everyone knows it's a sick joke and that they probably get nothing but misery, so most won't try.
I thought that was strange too. So I did some lazy digging at wikipedia and found that although he hasn't been winning any national attention that I'd noticed, he has been busy politically. He's apparently been pushing some hard alt-right stuff, but Chase is claiming that this is some sort of error.
The letter was real, but it was apparently sent by mistake.
Which means...
- It really was sent by mistake and this is just unfortunate.
- That Chase really intended to cancel their credit card, but got cold feet after it hit the news.
- That someone at Chase sent it because they hate Flynn and wanted to fuck with him and his family, when it hit the news, Chase executives scrambled to reverse it.
The first is the least likely, although it is possible. The second is possible, but given how companies were not willing to back down months ago about going after alt-right groups, it seems odd they would now. Three sounds the most likely. Someone within the organization abused their power and decided to take a shot at the Flynn family. Chase, not wanting to become embroiled in a political shitstorm, quickly covered their asses.
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Also, that's not being a police state. Not unless there's proof that the government was behind Chase taking away Flynn's account. It's a private company denying someone access to their services. If you guys think that someone has the right to deny someone else service (such as making a gay wedding cake), then you can't complain too loudly when a private company doesn't want to be involved with someone who is politically outspoken.
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Val the Moofia Boss
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The massive tech cartel is an extension of the state. There is no meaningful difference between the government and corporations. When Google is censoring on behalf of the government, they're really the same entity. The Tech cartel: Google, Twitter, Amazon, payment processors, etc. If your business requires that you be online, and you're not allowed to operate online, you don't have a business. You don't have freedom.
If a telephone corporation won't allow you to say certain words over the telephone, that is government sponsored censorship, as it is the government that created the corporation as a government entity and it is the government law that is enabling the corporation to censor you. You can't have an evil corporation without an evil government backing them up. Tencent is evil because it is protected and run by a communist government.
Corporations are government entities. If you don't wear a face mask or have the vaccine and try to go to Walmart to buy food, they call the police and arrest you. Youtube engages in heavy censorship on the government's behalf and the government protects them.
Most people in the Soviet Union died not to executions, but to manmade famines. Stalin hoarded food. The Soviets were worse than Nazis. We picked the worst of two evils. The famines were deliberately engineered by people's own governments against them. Cancel culture where you get defamed and fired from your job, your accounts shut down, and now you can earn money to buy food is the modern version of this.
Andrew Torba from Gab has to fund the website with checks that are physically mailed to him. All of the banks banned him. Parlor had no chance of becoming successful. They took the make your own Twitter thing seriously and didn't realize that there's a massive tech cartel that's an extension of the state with many ways to stop you from making your own Twitter. And Twitter has never made a profit. It was never about making a profit. It's about controlling the people, controlling their politics, controlling the culture, and advertising for corporations. It's funded by mega corporations.
One of the key aspects of a fascist system is that the people in it must frequently proclaim their loyalty to the state. "Heil Hitler!". We live in a fascist system. If pride day rolls around and a company doesn't proclaim their support for LGBT or BLM, then that raises eyebrows among SJWs, who then begin shitting on them. If you don't proclaim loyalty to the party in power, then you are on the out and should invest in some locks for your house. Everyone wants to be Caesar's friend, because all he has to do to end your career is to let it be known that you are no longer Caesar's friend.
bintananth
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A private entity can censor pretty much whatever they want to censor and must censor illegal content.
It would not be illegal to describe, in precise detail, the things people do which can result in a pregnancy. Such descriptions are not welcome here and against the site rules.
It literally is not.
...There is actually. It is in fact, Google and other tech companies private company nature that allows them to ban people for political speech.
No, leftist allies who are in government and corporations are teaming up to silence the right, as are other members of the right who prefer globalism. That's not illegal and it's not a police state.
Twitter wasn't founded or owned by the US government. Neither are banks.
1) Walmart is private property. They can ban you from their store. Why is this news to you?
2) Youtube engages in censorship on behalf of leftists, not the government.
3) Youtube engaging in censorship on behalf of the government is not itself proof of a police state. It is the state leaning on Youtube.
That's called exile.
No, parlor got nuked because it wouldn't hand over the Jan 6th protestors. So all the tech companies, who were going full press against them, also banned parlor. And yes, that was political. It wasn't fair or just, certainly disproves the "start your own website" bullcrap, but there it is. Freedom isn't a one-way street. Companies can choose not to do business with you, pretty much for any reason they want--so long as it isn't because of banned reasons. (race, gender, religion, ect.)
It's completely hypocritical of course, but they have the right to not do business with you. Hell, they could decide not to do business with someone because they're fat and that's perfectly legal.
I'm not saying there isn't oppression. And there are certainly levers of power being pulled to oppress people, but that's not the same as a living in a police state. Want to know the difference? In the US, banks and companies might stop doing business with you. In China, you vanish after the police come to your house in the night. That's the difference.
As for the SJW hit squad, yeah, that exists. I've seen them go after fledgling companies on twitter. And those companies tend to take a heavy beating, because the SJW squad will write slanderous articles and swamp their accounts with lies and insults, driving everyone else away. And if they or anyone fights back, the Twitter mod team bans them.
Companies, for the most part, don't give two shits about this culture war. They just want to be able to operate as a business. If they have to pay off a few writers for good reviews, that's business as usual. See the fucking gaming industry and the "journalism" that surrounds it like a parasite.
bintananth
behind a desk
If that's what you think I'd be amazed if you've had sex and still have the male parts of your anatomy because "if the princess ain't happy, nobody's happy" and the princess, if she's of average size, is larger than a wolf and much more creative when it comes to getting revenge.
Actually there is extensive evidence that the Big Tech cartel is indeed acting at the behest of the State. It has now been admitted that Twitter and Facebook will act to censor content on the request of Federal, State, and Local governments, not over illegal content, but for 'misinformation' or, more accurately, 'we don't like what this person is saying because it is inconvenient to us and people might agree with them, silence them, 'private corporation', because the 1st Amendment doesn't allow us to do it'. But, you see, it is established constitutional law that if a 'private entity' takes an action on behalf of a government entity that said government entity is not allowed to do on their own, that the private entity becomes, for legal purposes, a government entity and is liable for their conduct.
There are a series of lawsuits that have survived every attempt by Big Tech to squash coming out of this, although the media is carrying water and hiding them.
There are a series of lawsuits that have survived every attempt by Big Tech to squash coming out of this, although the media is carrying water and hiding them.
The rather mild and moderate hosts of the Triggernometry Podcast have been cancelled by their banks.
Imagine being threatened by Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin platforming dangerous individuals like Piers Morgan advocating for vaccines or Sebastian Gorka arguing for supporting Ukraine. I guess a podcast featuring two reasonable hosts willing to ask questions to further a conversation on a guests generally contrarian point of view is too hostile and fascist for todays climate.
Imagine being threatened by Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin platforming dangerous individuals like Piers Morgan advocating for vaccines or Sebastian Gorka arguing for supporting Ukraine. I guess a podcast featuring two reasonable hosts willing to ask questions to further a conversation on a guests generally contrarian point of view is too hostile and fascist for todays climate.