Oscars to introduce mandatory "diversity" criteria for winning Best Picture

[Shipmaster Sane]

I mean to be honest, at this point the entertainment industry is becoming an overtly political propaganda organ. If nothing else, the more blatant the propaganda becomes, the better. Because then it will hopefully be less effective.

"At this point"

where have you been the last hundred years?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

"At this point"

where have you been the last hundred years?

TBF it was “slightly less blatant” in that it took awhile for them to really start going to stuff like making women look like dudes and such and essentially intensifying it all and getting weird AF

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

um they do not have a choice Ranger.

The SJW crowd is using Metoo# and outrage mobs to force these Hollywood exects to make these losing money projects, and they have become more shrill and controlling with time because the woke crowd realizes they are riding a very angry and pissed off Tiger that is just itching for a chance to rip them to shreds.

You think we hate the woke? Your not being essentially blackmailed with the message that we will destroy your business and career and steal everything you work for if you don't obey us and will use lies to do it and get away with it. You didn't have your parties, girls, and everything you liked taken away by control freak nobodies on fucking twitter.

We dislike the woke on principle the people who actually run Hollywood have deeply personal grievenes and true hate that's only being held back by fear.

I will shed a tear for the cabal of pedophiles that has been actively supporting communism for generations.

I really don't get it. The majority of the boldest woke crap is experiencing a huge backlash (Star Wars) or flopping horribly (Ghostbusters, Birds of Prey). They don't like money? Why do they keep churning out that crap? You really want to tell me that Hollywood producers are true believers that care more about this loony-toons ideology than about making money?

Hollywood has never been about money, it's always been about red propaganda while grifting some fortunes on the side.

Too late for Commiewood. They are bleeding money like crazy. They need to purge the SJWs and put out stuff people want to watch.

I dont want my enemy to scale back a disastrous operation that is costing them everything, I want them to double down. I don't want Hollywood to make profitable movies divorced from their ideology because they'll still be funneling all that money into the democrat party.

Yeah, I would say that Hollywood has been a propaganda organ for decades now. It's just becoming a less effective propaganda organ because it's increasingly extreme and overt.

It's been so since it crawled out of the slime.

Never watched the Oscars before, definitely won't watch them now.

Hollywood/PC culture is vanishing up it's own asshole and leaving Bollywood/Japan as the last refuges of honest, non-PC pandering creativity in media and fiction.

India and Japan just outright suck at making movies, and most anime is unbelievably terrible spergshit. Thats fine, no one really needs them.

 

[LordsFire]

When it comes to foreign media, there tends to be a heavy sampling bias. Only the very best tends to see general distribution overseas.

In the digital age, more limited distribution has become a thing, but even so, a movie has to do very well wherever it's from, if it's going to get into American theaters.

Hollywood movies, on the other hand, get all over the world very regularly.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Bollywood movies don’t do well in the west because there is a whole load of cultural context and difference that western audiences would neither understand or appreciate. India is basically its own civilization with its own references, tropes, and so forth.

As for woke-ness, the whole point is to anger people and manipulate them. Propaganda and social engineering is the reason not money.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

As for woke-ness, the whole point is to anger people and manipulate them. Propaganda and social engineering is the reason not money.

I think the other point is for the "creators" to be able to stroke their egos and go on about how much they are "teaching" and "changing the world" with their "art" and how absolutely "relevant" they are even if objectively speaking they could do it better and to begin with they're actually severely demoralising and worsening relations between sex and gender and race and politics and religion or even insulting those of all five

All while their egos get stroked by themselves and those they surround themselves with

Greed loses out to Pride

And going on about stuff that is "socially relevant" would probably make you more "known" than whatever Art for Art's sake or guy with politics that are different

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Bollywood movies don’t do well in the west because there is a whole load of cultural context and difference that western audiences would neither understand or appreciate. India is basically its own civilization with its own references, tropes, and so forth.

Guess they should get a better culture then.

 

[Battlegrinder]

I'm not sure if this is actually going to change anything, vs them just making the unofficial policy of only giving Oscars to preachy woke crap into actual policy.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I'm not sure if this is actually going to change anything, vs them just making the unofficial policy of only giving Oscars to preachy woke crap into actual policy.

Making it official, in my mind, helps make what was already obvious and dismissed by the guys who like to go "SJW's don't exist" something to help more easily prove the truth

 

[Battlegrinder]

Making it official, in my mind, helps make what was already obvious and dismissed by the guys who like to go "SJW's don't exist" something to help more easily prove the truth

If someone is still going "SJWs don't exist" now, then either your previous attempts to explain the concept have been hilariously inept, or that person is not debating honestly. Either way, this won't break past that resistance.

 

[Typhonis]

So the Oscars are just Hollywood big shots patting each other on the back, stroking their egos, or showing us peons how much better than us they are.

I don't watch it.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

If someone is still going "SJWs don't exist" now, then either your previous attempts to explain the concept have been hilariously inept, or that person is not debating honestly. Either way, this won't break past that resistance.

You need to interact with more real people, most people out there don't believe SJWs are anything more than an irrelevant fringe, random obscure lunatics that don't matter, and continue to labor under this delusion until it effects their lives directly, at which point they react with panic and shock. I mean shit, there's still an entire generation out there determined to pretend it's still the 70s or 80s even if it kills them.

 

[Deleted member 88]

SJWism is just a broad umbrella term that describes the dominant social ideology and beliefs of most of our society’s institutions. Education, academia, the media, the art industry, the critic industry, the major corporations, and so forth.

The stereotypical SJW may not be something that most people encounter in day to day life, but the ideology of said stereotype is omnipresent and inescapable.

Anyone who says otherwise is either extremely ignorant or is shamelessly lying to your face.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You need to interact with more real people, most people out there don't believe SJWs are anything more than an irrelevant fringe, random obscure lunatics that don't matter, and continue to labor under this delusion until it effects their lives directly, at which point they react with panic and shock. I mean shit, there's still an entire generation out there determined to pretend it's still the 70s or 80s even if it kills them.

I’m guessing they get literal wake-up calls when they get calls from friends and family that their businesses are being burnt and looted

And when they hear it from outside their very own windows when the entire neighborhood gets woken up by guys who all love using Identity Politics to bludgeon people and get away with it



Doing victim blaming too

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

SJWism is just a broad umbrella term that describes the dominant social ideology and beliefs of most of our society’s institutions. Education, academia, the media, the art industry, the critic industry, the major corporations, and so forth.

These are literally the same thing.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Their interlocking but separate. Education is a somewhat separate sphere than the academy.

The critic/culture analysis industry is basically your theatre majors and Gendered XYZ in blockbusters “analysis”.

Anyways, we’re living in a dystopia.

 

[Terthna]

It's a weird thing to realize but fundamentally, Hollywood doesn't know how to make movies. No really. Consider the ratio of flop movies to classics. Now look at cars and compare the ratio of flops to cars people want to drive. Somehow other companies manage it but Hollywood has a terrible batting average.

You see tons of imitative crap and the idea that "X" will make money and "Y" movies don't when in reality, good movies make money and bad movies don't. The problem is that "Good" is hard and Hollywood doesn't grok it very well. Also there's a natural human tendency to try to go with a "great man" narrative and make it all about the person in charge, forgetting the fifteen dozen other people who actually made it work, and Hollywood runs on name recognition which makes the fifteen dozen people harder to find and realize they contributed.

Star Wars is probably the most useful example. For decades it was "The Genius of George Lucas" and it was only until he turned out an array of turds and poorly-received remakes and sequels that the truth of Star Wars came to light; it was George Lucas' skill at special effects... and his wife being surprisingly good at rewriting and doctoring the script... and the luck of managing to get an incredible array of great actors first try... and Irvin Kirshner turning out to be an excellent director who was willing to tell George "that's stupid."

But you can't just happen to have all those good things happen at once over and over without a lot of work and avoiding "great man" name recognition that Hollywood runs off of, so Hollywood can't duplicate Star Wars.

The root of the problem seems to be that Hollywood is a social club first and foremost, which relies almost entirely on the existence of celebrity culture to function. The movies appear to serve as little more than a means to perpetuate and expand that culture.

 

[Jeff Thomas]

Never stop your enemy when he's making a mistake. The more SJWism seeps into the films, the worse they get and ticket sales continue to drop. I'd say I'm boycotting Hollywood but I can't remember the last time I went out to a movie. We can hope this monster starves itself.

Random thought: When I was a kid "The Vikings" with Kirk Douglas was one of my favorite movies. If some one wants to remake it now they'll have to figure out how to shoe-horn in some gay black people, some native Americans, and a pacific islander. I don't think 9th century Norway had those.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yeah historical movies are doomed like Braveheart or 1917 or Dunkirk.

Only clever comedies with White face like JoJo Rabbit will succeed in Oscar Season.

Which means we can get an American remake of a truly great film that deserved an Oscar.

Downfall starring this lovely lady as Adolf Hitler, Eva Longoria as the Secretary, Alexander Siddig as Joseph Goebbels and featuring Mario Cantone as his wife Magda Goebbels.

Amputee Stuntwoman Olivia Jackson will play Eva Braun, Delroy Lindo as Albert Speer and George Takei as General Jodl.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Yeah historical movies are doomed like Braveheart or 1917 or Dunkirk.

That's actually not the case. National Review had an interesting article discussing the standards:
The Coming Backlash to the Oscars’ Diversity Mandate | National Review

Basically, the new rules are trivially easy to game and would require either some minor backstage job shuffling, or to just keep doing what studios are already doing.

By the reviews reading, Hollywood kinda screwed themselves, by publicly doubling down on "the best picture award is only for unwatchable woke crap", but in practice the new standards are toothless and won't address any of the whining from the twitter peanut gallery (not that it's possible to do that anyway). So they've just pissed off everyone and appealed to no one.