Agent23

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Personally I would never go with Ford. He was a Racist Anti-Semite who aided Adolf Hitler throughout WWII by playing the "They stole my factories, but don't Blow them up, UWU", allowing the Nazi's to use said factories as a way of protecting their military Industry, prolonging the war. If things go my way he'll get executed publically, but I'll leave that to you guys.

Honestly, I believe that I might keep FDR throughout WWII, but the thought of being the BIG BOY IN CHIEF sounds like an Interesting thought.

Also, didn't you get banned Buba?
Ford was more than happy to use his factories to aid the WWII war effort, also it depends on which Ford, I doubt that even Henry Ford will remain antisemitic and anti-war once he is confronted with uptime info.

You also have Edsel Ford, his son, and Henry "Hank the Deuce" Ford II.So I am sure they can be persuaded to help you out.
Other people you can contact include Joseph P. Kennedy giving him a nice view of the next 80 years will definitely get him on the side of good, just remember to bring production statistics.
The guy was extremely afraid of war, but some documents regarding societ and nazi attrocities might make him a lot less interested in pushing for appeasement, especially since your help will be saving the lives and health of both his sons, maybe even his daughter Rosemary if she isn't lobotomized yet.

Alternately, you could go with leverage and try and blackmail J. Edgar Hoover with his drag photos, you will need money and connections first, though.

IMHO one of the best people to contact might be William S. Knudsen, an extremely competent engineer and automotive executive, he, while working for Ford, not Ford himself, invented the assembly line.
He was also pivotal to organizing U.S. military production during WWII, just prepare to get that sweet ride of yours taken apart by him.

One look at your car and other gadgets might be enough to convince him.

So, what I'd do, get some money, stock info and the sports almanac ahoy.

Use that and modern tech to meet some imporatnt people in private business and that are government adjacent, Knudsen, Henry Kaiser, Bernard Baruch, some of the otehr more business-friendly people close to Roosevelt and the Fords are a good start, so are the Kennedys.

Maybe you can even blackmail LBJ, since that fucker has a lot of nasty potential skeletons even as early as then.
 

AmosTrask

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@VictortheMonarch I just realized you're going to live through the tragedies of the Civil Rights struggle. From the lynching, burnings and bombings in the South such as the 16th Street Church bombing, and Emmett Till. It's going to be rough.
 

ATP

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What i would try - made some money,and THEN try to warn Poland.We were ruled by idiots,but there is small chance that they would listen.
England and France - do not even bother.

P.S send letter to admiral Yamamoto descibing future.MAYBE Japan would listen.
 

Agent23

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What i would try - made some money,and THEN try to warn Poland.We were ruled by idiots,but there is small chance that they would listen.
England and France - do not even bother.
I doubt it, your rulers will think he is an American lunatic.
Politicians are stupid and short-sighted, but some industrialists in the USA were quite patriotic.
Also, even if you knock Hitler out there are basically two choices:

1. Somebody smarter takes over in Germany and does the same.

2. Stalin takes Europe and you get a vastly more powerful USSR that has not lost tens of millions and suffered massive damage and dislocation where industry is concerned.

P.S send letter to admiral Yamamoto descibing future.MAYBE Japan would listen.
He doesn't have the pull to do anything and he, himself knew that it was futile to go fight America, he said so, basically stating that if he knocks out Pearl Harbor he might be able to run wild in the Pacific for an year, year and a half, then it was game over.

The guy toured the USA, he knew that the idiots in Japan were fucking with a huge industrial juggernaut that could steamroll them.
 

ATP

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I doubt it, your rulers will think he is an American lunatic.
Politicians are stupid and short-sighted, but some industrialists in the USA were quite patriotic.
Also, even if you knock Hitler out there are basically two choices:

1. Somebody smarter takes over in Germany and does the same.

2. Stalin takes Europe and you get a vastly more powerful USSR that has not lost tens of millions and suffered massive damage and dislocation where industry is concerned.


He doesn't have the pull to do anything and he, himself knew that it was futile to go fight America, he said so, basically stating that if he knocks out Pearl Harbor he might be able to run wild in the Pacific for an year, year and a half, then it was game over.

The guy toured the USA, he knew that the idiots in Japan were fucking with a huge industrial juggernaut that could steamroll them.

Indeed.If there were any sane french politicians ruling at that time,he could warn them,but....as far as i knew,they were worst then our idiots.
Their generals were no so bad,but belived in german Might and bunkers.If they knew,that germans do not have bunkers yet,and no real army on their border,they would attack for real in 1939.

But...how made them knew?
 

Agent23

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Indeed.If there were any sane french politicians ruling at that time,he could warn them,but....as far as i knew,they were worst then our idiots.
Their generals were no so bad,but belived in german Might and bunkers.If they knew,that germans do not have bunkers yet,and no real army on their border,they would attack for real in 1939.

But...how made them knew?
There is another huge plus about helping Murika, which is the distance.
It will be a lot harder for the Germans to get wind of any interesting activity over there.As opposed to Poland, which will be a primary interest for them, and for the soviets, too.

Sure, there were Reich spies and stooges there, but I doubt that the attention placed on goings on in the USA would be the same as that placed on Poland, also it is a much bigger and very rich country, so it will be easier to hide secret projects and the like.

Just my 2 cents.

TBH I am have the itch to try write something like this, myself.
 
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There is another huge plus about helping Murika, which is the distance.
It will be a lot harder for the Germans to get wind of any interesting activity over there.As opposed to Poland, which will be a primary interest for them, and for the soviets, too.

Sure, there were Reich spies and stooges there, but I doubt that the attention placed on goings on in the USA would be the same as that placed on Poland, also it is a much bigger and very rich country, so it will be easier to hide secret projects and the like.

Just my 2 cents.

TBH I am have the itch to try write something like this, myself.

Master Joda say - do not think,write!

And,SI,as long as would bussiness with Ford,soviets would not spy on him - they were in FDR inner circle,not Ford.
But,it would be nice if he could warn french generals.Pity,that it is not possible.
 

AmosTrask

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P.S send letter to admiral Yamamoto descibing future.MAYBE Japan would listen.
Yamamoto would think you a crazy gaijin. While he'd agree with your prediction it won't have positive results.

Yamamoto failed to argue against attacking America. Stating in his address to High Command that doing so would result in Japan gaining freedom of operation for eight months to sixteen months before the Americans could shift assets to swarm the IJN to death. He was out voted by IJA rivals and the Prime Minister who accused him of cowardice and defeatist attitude. It was attack or be replaced and have to commit seppuku.
 

ATP

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Yamamoto would think you a crazy gaijin. While he'd agree with your prediction it won't have positive results.

Yamamoto failed to argue against attacking America. Stating in his address to High Command that doing so would result in Japan gaining freedom of operation for eight months to sixteen months before the Americans could shift assets to swarm the IJN to death. He was out voted by IJA rivals and the Prime Minister who accused him of cowardice and defeatist attitude. It was attack or be replaced and have to commit seppuku.

True.He could only try to made deal with Ford - Japan is on road to suicide by expansion,and FDR is owned by soviets.
When,if he back Ford,at least there is possibility of Republican president in 1944.
Which would lead to thrashing soviets before they get nukes.

Well,even if SI fail,he still would made a lots of money.
 

AmosTrask

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True.He could only try to made deal with Ford - Japan is on road to suicide by expansion,and FDR is owned by soviets.
When,if he back Ford,at least there is possibility of Republican president in 1944.
Which would lead to thrashing soviets before they get nukes.

Well,even if SI fail,he still would made a lots of money.
Which Ford? The industrialist was an ardent Eugenics proponent and Nazi Race Theory advocate.
 

ATP

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Which Ford? The industrialist was an ardent Eugenics proponent and Nazi Race Theory advocate.
And only person in USA with money who do not supported soviets,like Wall Street.He also hired for good money every able man no matter of his race.
 

AmosTrask

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And only person in USA with money who do not supported soviets,like Wall Street.He also hired for good money every able man no matter of his race.
Well it took Ford Junior years to convince his father to cut ties with Nazi business partners OTL. That will need to be handled. If he wants money the SI can solve the tractor problem. All three companies working on it are still in the research phase. We'll two, Ford got into it late when war between Germany the UK and France are declared. Ford bluffed the UK, fake it till you make it as it were. He was lucky his engineers were able to reverse engineer Caterpillar company's predecessor and streamline, and modifying the design enough to circumvent the patent. Just in time to deliver the first promised shipment.

Ford leveraged so much of his assets to acquire loans to build the tractor factory that he was within three weeks of bankruptcy. The bonus for the first shipment allowed him to meet the first payment on the loans and buy himself time.
 
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Well it took Ford Junior years to convince his father to cut ties with Nazi business partners OTL. That will need to be handled. If he wants money the SI can solve the tractor problem. All three companies working on it are still in the research phase. We'll two, Ford got into it late when war between Germany the UK and France are declared. Ford bluffed the UK, fake it till you make it as it were. He was lucky his engineers were able to reverse engineer Caterpillar company's predecessor and streamline, and modifying the design enough to circumvent the patent. Just in time to deliver the first promised shipment.

Ford leveraged so much of his assets to acquire loans to build the tractor factory that he was within three weeks of bankruptcy. The bonus for the first shipment allowed him to meet the first payment on the loans and buy himself time.

Should work.
And - NOT NAZI,GERMANS.It was Germany,not Naziland.

SI should first made money and position,and later try change fate of elections in 1944.For example,delivering proofs that FDR is dying cripple surrendered by soviet agents.
Which all was true.

Maybe publishing memories of poles who survived gulags and manage to get to Iran in OTL?
 

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