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Giacomo Balla- Italian veteran
Giacomo Balla- Italian veteran
No I'm not the painter not even related to him not directly.
So getting to it, I fought in the first battle of Isonozo, and it was a disaster, a humilating defeat, I mean we outnumbered the austrians 2 to 1 and we got humilated. So naturally we wanted to redeem ourselves, and prepared for another offensive. That's when the Polish army arrived from the new world. Or as we called them the Jungle Poles.
They looked absolutely miserable in the cold, and there were maybe 5,000 of them. The thing about the Poles is that the British simply didn't trust them, and so tried to move their units around Paranoia on their behalf but the Brits were prissy, bitches the entire war.
Not the fighting men let me clarify that, the men who actually fought? Those I respected and the Anzac forces and Canadians were absolute beasts in combat but their leadership was prissy, easily offended and incompetant. As an Italian I was thankful our leadership was simply incompetent. Well after the war, during the war I was rather upset at their tendency to bungle everything and get us killed.
So the Poles get their lead by their comander Jan I'm not going to even bother trying to pronounce his last name and we tell him the plan for a full frontal assault. And then he asked the idiot sorry Gernal Cardona what happened the last time we tried a full frontal assault.
I imagine that he threw a fit because the man was a prima donna on top of being incredibly stupid. Long story short he told the poles that if they had a better idea they could try it out.
So what happened was the poles went out to the local taylors and had cheap copies of the austrian armies uniforms made and bought up a long of the strong stuff. Then they marched out. They apparently marched around the mountains and made it to the Austrian positions.
When they got there they said that they were the reinforcements sent from up north, and that they brought booze to keep up moral. So once the men were properally sauced, they captured the comanders and tied them up and then blew up the guns. Not expecting this and by then quite drunk the remaining defenders were captured or killed.
Then we got the message from radio that the Poles had cleared the path. That was the second battle of Iszono, no Italian causlites and we managed to successfully capture Triste, it was a pretty major victory. A better army could have capitalized on that and ended the war.
We were not that better army.
No I'm not the painter not even related to him not directly.
So getting to it, I fought in the first battle of Isonozo, and it was a disaster, a humilating defeat, I mean we outnumbered the austrians 2 to 1 and we got humilated. So naturally we wanted to redeem ourselves, and prepared for another offensive. That's when the Polish army arrived from the new world. Or as we called them the Jungle Poles.
They looked absolutely miserable in the cold, and there were maybe 5,000 of them. The thing about the Poles is that the British simply didn't trust them, and so tried to move their units around Paranoia on their behalf but the Brits were prissy, bitches the entire war.
Not the fighting men let me clarify that, the men who actually fought? Those I respected and the Anzac forces and Canadians were absolute beasts in combat but their leadership was prissy, easily offended and incompetant. As an Italian I was thankful our leadership was simply incompetent. Well after the war, during the war I was rather upset at their tendency to bungle everything and get us killed.
So the Poles get their lead by their comander Jan I'm not going to even bother trying to pronounce his last name and we tell him the plan for a full frontal assault. And then he asked the idiot sorry Gernal Cardona what happened the last time we tried a full frontal assault.
I imagine that he threw a fit because the man was a prima donna on top of being incredibly stupid. Long story short he told the poles that if they had a better idea they could try it out.
So what happened was the poles went out to the local taylors and had cheap copies of the austrian armies uniforms made and bought up a long of the strong stuff. Then they marched out. They apparently marched around the mountains and made it to the Austrian positions.
When they got there they said that they were the reinforcements sent from up north, and that they brought booze to keep up moral. So once the men were properally sauced, they captured the comanders and tied them up and then blew up the guns. Not expecting this and by then quite drunk the remaining defenders were captured or killed.
Then we got the message from radio that the Poles had cleared the path. That was the second battle of Iszono, no Italian causlites and we managed to successfully capture Triste, it was a pretty major victory. A better army could have capitalized on that and ended the war.
We were not that better army.
Bill Smith- Anzac
The Gallipoli campaign was a near run thing,
The our side was plagued by ill-defined goals, piss poor planning, insufficient artillery, inexperienced troops, inaccurate maps, poor intelligence, overconfidence, inadequate equipment, and the logistics and tactics were basically shit. On top of that at first the only reason we won was because the Poles got fucking lost because of those shit tier maps and ended up landing on the wrong place. Then their forces tried to find us and ended up flanking the Turks from behind by accident.
This basically saved the whole operation, it gave us enough time to really establish a beach head and take the forts. So the generals thought that once they did this that we could just sail up to Istanbul give the Turks a good shelling and a good talking and then the straits would open and all would be right as bloody rain.
Yeah that didn't happen, that didn't bloody happen at all, the turks blocked the sea of marmara with pretty much what ever ship they had and were not afraid to throw what ever men then had to block us going east. This left the south open, and seeing that we went south. The idea being we could bait the Turks into leaving and take Istanbul.
It's didn't quite work out that way, so we managed to pretty much take the west coast and then the Turks started throwing conscripts at us men who were even more badly armed then we were, and we found ourselves forced to take defensive positions.
So in an effort to break the enemy in a differnt place in order to defeat the red line we just ended up creating another red line in western Turkey, we could never push far enough into Antolia to actually you know beat the Turks. The turks for their part were cut off from ammunition and were dealing with the red line to the north east.
Once we were dug in it was another front the Turks, the men in england told us to fight on and hold the line, and looked for another front. Encouraging us to go in and finish the Turks but never giving us the men, material, guns or ammo to actually bloody do it. So we essentially just dug trenches, took up machine gun nests and bombs and just smashed increasingly badly armed turkish assaults the rest of the war.
By the end of it we were fighting old men and young boys, like I said the Turks gave us Merry hell but when they finally collapsed it was utter and we found out how much damage our red line did to them. Still they did their part for their alliance we were not able to save Russia in time.
And because of that well we were quite ruthless with them, the partition of the ottoman empire was not kind to the turks not kind at all.
The Gallipoli campaign was a near run thing,
The our side was plagued by ill-defined goals, piss poor planning, insufficient artillery, inexperienced troops, inaccurate maps, poor intelligence, overconfidence, inadequate equipment, and the logistics and tactics were basically shit. On top of that at first the only reason we won was because the Poles got fucking lost because of those shit tier maps and ended up landing on the wrong place. Then their forces tried to find us and ended up flanking the Turks from behind by accident.
This basically saved the whole operation, it gave us enough time to really establish a beach head and take the forts. So the generals thought that once they did this that we could just sail up to Istanbul give the Turks a good shelling and a good talking and then the straits would open and all would be right as bloody rain.
Yeah that didn't happen, that didn't bloody happen at all, the turks blocked the sea of marmara with pretty much what ever ship they had and were not afraid to throw what ever men then had to block us going east. This left the south open, and seeing that we went south. The idea being we could bait the Turks into leaving and take Istanbul.
It's didn't quite work out that way, so we managed to pretty much take the west coast and then the Turks started throwing conscripts at us men who were even more badly armed then we were, and we found ourselves forced to take defensive positions.
So in an effort to break the enemy in a differnt place in order to defeat the red line we just ended up creating another red line in western Turkey, we could never push far enough into Antolia to actually you know beat the Turks. The turks for their part were cut off from ammunition and were dealing with the red line to the north east.
Once we were dug in it was another front the Turks, the men in england told us to fight on and hold the line, and looked for another front. Encouraging us to go in and finish the Turks but never giving us the men, material, guns or ammo to actually bloody do it. So we essentially just dug trenches, took up machine gun nests and bombs and just smashed increasingly badly armed turkish assaults the rest of the war.
By the end of it we were fighting old men and young boys, like I said the Turks gave us Merry hell but when they finally collapsed it was utter and we found out how much damage our red line did to them. Still they did their part for their alliance we were not able to save Russia in time.
And because of that well we were quite ruthless with them, the partition of the ottoman empire was not kind to the turks not kind at all.
Armenia get Van lake? good.Much better world then ours,even if nothing else change.I suppose,that both greeks and kurds exiled turks from their new territories - and nobody cared.Armenian,after genocide,probably just killed all turks they found.Bill Smith- Anzac
The Gallipoli campaign was a near run thing,
The our side was plagued by ill-defined goals, piss poor planning, insufficient artillery, inexperienced troops, inaccurate maps, poor intelligence, overconfidence, inadequate equipment, and the logistics and tactics were basically shit. On top of that at first the only reason we won was because the Poles got fucking lost because of those shit tier maps and ended up landing on the wrong place. Then their forces tried to find us and ended up flanking the Turks from behind by accident.
This basically saved the whole operation, it gave us enough time to really establish a beach head and take the forts. So the generals thought that once they did this that we could just sail up to Istanbul give the Turks a good shelling and a good talking and then the straits would open and all would be right as bloody rain.
Yeah that didn't happen, that didn't bloody happen at all, the turks blocked the sea of marmara with pretty much what ever ship they had and were not afraid to throw what ever men then had to block us going east. This left the south open, and seeing that we went south. The idea being we could bait the Turks into leaving and take Istanbul.
It's didn't quite work out that way, so we managed to pretty much take the west coast and then the Turks started throwing conscripts at us men who were even more badly armed then we were, and we found ourselves forced to take defensive positions.
So in an effort to break the enemy in a differnt place in order to defeat the red line we just ended up creating another red line in western Turkey, we could never push far enough into Antolia to actually you know beat the Turks. The turks for their part were cut off from ammunition and were dealing with the red line to the north east.
Once we were dug in it was another front the Turks, the men in england told us to fight on and hold the line, and looked for another front. Encouraging us to go in and finish the Turks but never giving us the men, material, guns or ammo to actually bloody do it. So we essentially just dug trenches, took up machine gun nests and bombs and just smashed increasingly badly armed turkish assaults the rest of the war.
By the end of it we were fighting old men and young boys, like I said the Turks gave us Merry hell but when they finally collapsed it was utter and we found out how much damage our red line did to them. Still they did their part for their alliance we were not able to save Russia in time.
And because of that well we were quite ruthless with them, the partition of the ottoman empire was not kind to the turks not kind at all.
And again,nobody cared.
Poor Bulgarians - they must hate their missed chance.
P.S Polish troops had good maps and did it on purpose,right?
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So,this time they win by accident.Well,one another regiment on turks flanks could do that in OTL.
bintananth
behind a desk
The Poles from Nowa Polska are also from the tropics. I don't know about marching through a jungle but I do know what it's like to go hiking through a dense forest.
The trail might be barely wide enough for people to pass through single file. Anything which can't be carried by one person or stuffed into a backpack is getting left behind.
Bad maps aren't going to hinder a Nowa Polska unit much if at all.
General Edard Von Below
General Edard Von Below
The destruction of poland as a country, the partitions is in my opinion the single stupidest thing Prussia ever did as a country. Its a classic tale of short term thinking, in Prussias attempt to join east and west prussia it had given up the single greatest buffer state we had, and put a very hungry Russian bear right on our door step. Once the foolishness of our actions hit us we tried several things to apease them and several things to grow our power but at the end of the day our foolishness put them on our boarder.
That's the thing that ultimently led to our downfall.
The war on the west? Sound and fury signifying nothing, the French knew we were coming and the Jungle Poles sabotage meant that by the time we got to the boarder the French were waiting for us, and we were stopped cold, and we spent the entire war on the western front just throwing away lives.
The french for their part after the first year decided that since we were not on French soil that they could simply squeeze Germany to death, well the British really, and just upgraded their defenses, allowing us to bloody ourselves on offenses that just didn't work.
The British for their part tried other fronts you know anything to bleed us dry. Turkey was their biggest success the Ottomans pretty much lost everything during the Arab revolts, and lost 3 million men trying to defeat the red line of Antolia. The only place we really had any success was in fighting Russia.
And that was in large part due to all of the restive minorities who were willing to gleefully accept German Arms to fight the russians for their freedom. I generally grew to like these people, in the end though the communist revolution felled the Russian giant and our eastern boarder was secure once more.
The diplomats lost us the war, I mean people blamed the socialists, the jews and all of these other people but in my opinion the people who lost us the war were the diplomats. I mean the shear idiocy of trying to get a country in the middle of a revolution to attack a great power with no way to supply them? I mean what were they thinking? Even the Yankees had limits.
That was the end for us, the constant fruitless attacks the arrival of the enemies tanks, and then knowing that the enemy would have a collection of Fresh bodies? And on top of that the fact we were starving. No the war at that point was lost.
The terms were harsh 132 billion gold marks, loss of territory it was harsh.
But the Poles did some work for us behind the scenes, Instead of Germany accepting a national Blame, Prussia would be blamed and the region under East Prussia would be split off from Germany and would be forced to pay half the reperations. The Kaiser would be allowed to continue to run the now impoverished prussia.
In return for this legal fiction, we agreed to sell the city of Danzig to Poland for 6 billion gold reichmark's. Most of which they had in their reserves. They also worked out a deal were Germany agreed to 'sell' our colonies to help pay our debts. When the horse trading was over we only owed 50 billion gold marks.
It was a burden, I'm not going to lie but the Poles had successfully worked with the French anger to direct their rage and hate at the Kaiser and Prussia instead of ourselves, and the greatly reduced amount was something we could pay. It was a defeat we had lost territory, we had lost our empire but Germany still lived and while it would struggle to pay the reperations, at least they were static with no interest upon it.
Austria Hungry, and the Ottomans had come out of it much worse then we did, and for all of the problems we actually lived in a more secure Germany. With a whole host of countries we had friendly economic ties with who were eager to be our shield against the Soviet threat.
If we had been content with what we had, then Germany could have prospered and been a respected great power, but that's the problem with us as a country we only saw what we didn't have instead of what we did.
The destruction of poland as a country, the partitions is in my opinion the single stupidest thing Prussia ever did as a country. Its a classic tale of short term thinking, in Prussias attempt to join east and west prussia it had given up the single greatest buffer state we had, and put a very hungry Russian bear right on our door step. Once the foolishness of our actions hit us we tried several things to apease them and several things to grow our power but at the end of the day our foolishness put them on our boarder.
That's the thing that ultimently led to our downfall.
The war on the west? Sound and fury signifying nothing, the French knew we were coming and the Jungle Poles sabotage meant that by the time we got to the boarder the French were waiting for us, and we were stopped cold, and we spent the entire war on the western front just throwing away lives.
The french for their part after the first year decided that since we were not on French soil that they could simply squeeze Germany to death, well the British really, and just upgraded their defenses, allowing us to bloody ourselves on offenses that just didn't work.
The British for their part tried other fronts you know anything to bleed us dry. Turkey was their biggest success the Ottomans pretty much lost everything during the Arab revolts, and lost 3 million men trying to defeat the red line of Antolia. The only place we really had any success was in fighting Russia.
And that was in large part due to all of the restive minorities who were willing to gleefully accept German Arms to fight the russians for their freedom. I generally grew to like these people, in the end though the communist revolution felled the Russian giant and our eastern boarder was secure once more.
The diplomats lost us the war, I mean people blamed the socialists, the jews and all of these other people but in my opinion the people who lost us the war were the diplomats. I mean the shear idiocy of trying to get a country in the middle of a revolution to attack a great power with no way to supply them? I mean what were they thinking? Even the Yankees had limits.
That was the end for us, the constant fruitless attacks the arrival of the enemies tanks, and then knowing that the enemy would have a collection of Fresh bodies? And on top of that the fact we were starving. No the war at that point was lost.
The terms were harsh 132 billion gold marks, loss of territory it was harsh.
But the Poles did some work for us behind the scenes, Instead of Germany accepting a national Blame, Prussia would be blamed and the region under East Prussia would be split off from Germany and would be forced to pay half the reperations. The Kaiser would be allowed to continue to run the now impoverished prussia.
In return for this legal fiction, we agreed to sell the city of Danzig to Poland for 6 billion gold reichmark's. Most of which they had in their reserves. They also worked out a deal were Germany agreed to 'sell' our colonies to help pay our debts. When the horse trading was over we only owed 50 billion gold marks.
It was a burden, I'm not going to lie but the Poles had successfully worked with the French anger to direct their rage and hate at the Kaiser and Prussia instead of ourselves, and the greatly reduced amount was something we could pay. It was a defeat we had lost territory, we had lost our empire but Germany still lived and while it would struggle to pay the reperations, at least they were static with no interest upon it.
Austria Hungry, and the Ottomans had come out of it much worse then we did, and for all of the problems we actually lived in a more secure Germany. With a whole host of countries we had friendly economic ties with who were eager to be our shield against the Soviet threat.
If we had been content with what we had, then Germany could have prospered and been a respected great power, but that's the problem with us as a country we only saw what we didn't have instead of what we did.
Eleftherios Venizelos
Eleftherios Venizelos- Greek leader
The Western red line broke the Turks.
Before the red line there had been roughly 12 million turks after the war 9 million turk's, roughly half the male population of Turkey had been killed during the war. The Sultan has basically used the red line to kill any one who was remotely competent in and effort to save his crown.
It didn't work he was overthrown and the rebels were eager to kick out any invaders and reconquer the whole of Antolia their leader even stated he would take back all of the lands of the ottoman empire. The later was his mistake, the leadership of the Arab world may have resented being effectively puppets of the western world but they preferred to be puppets to direct control.
Another factor is that the war had recently ended and thus arms were cheap and plentiful, and a third one well just because they easily kicked out the Italian's it didn't mean that the Italian navy wasn't perfectly capable of blockaiding Turky from supplies, expecially since the complete destruction of their navy was a part of the terms.
The Kurds and Armenians were terrified of being under the Turkish thumb and dispite their disagreements joined with Us in an alliance against the Turks. They decided on a peoples war, to mobalize the whole of Turkey for a national war of survival. A Jihad was declared, they got what ever they had and promptly died horribly.
Because their best comanders were dead, because they didn't have a navy, because much of their milatary was destroyed after the war and because they couldn't get resupply of anything, and they were fighting a two front war. They kept it up for 3 years another million turks died mostly from disease and starvation.
When it was over there were 8 million Turks, mostly women and children and Famine had covered the land. The victors took more territory the Kurds got a tiny port to the sea, Greater Armenia grew and our territories grew and Turkey for its part more or less went into Semi collapse.
We thought at the time we had at long last seen the end of them as a threat.
We were wrong.
The Western red line broke the Turks.
Before the red line there had been roughly 12 million turks after the war 9 million turk's, roughly half the male population of Turkey had been killed during the war. The Sultan has basically used the red line to kill any one who was remotely competent in and effort to save his crown.
It didn't work he was overthrown and the rebels were eager to kick out any invaders and reconquer the whole of Antolia their leader even stated he would take back all of the lands of the ottoman empire. The later was his mistake, the leadership of the Arab world may have resented being effectively puppets of the western world but they preferred to be puppets to direct control.
Another factor is that the war had recently ended and thus arms were cheap and plentiful, and a third one well just because they easily kicked out the Italian's it didn't mean that the Italian navy wasn't perfectly capable of blockaiding Turky from supplies, expecially since the complete destruction of their navy was a part of the terms.
The Kurds and Armenians were terrified of being under the Turkish thumb and dispite their disagreements joined with Us in an alliance against the Turks. They decided on a peoples war, to mobalize the whole of Turkey for a national war of survival. A Jihad was declared, they got what ever they had and promptly died horribly.
Because their best comanders were dead, because they didn't have a navy, because much of their milatary was destroyed after the war and because they couldn't get resupply of anything, and they were fighting a two front war. They kept it up for 3 years another million turks died mostly from disease and starvation.
When it was over there were 8 million Turks, mostly women and children and Famine had covered the land. The victors took more territory the Kurds got a tiny port to the sea, Greater Armenia grew and our territories grew and Turkey for its part more or less went into Semi collapse.
We thought at the time we had at long last seen the end of them as a threat.
We were wrong.
General Edard Von Below
The destruction of poland as a country, the partitions is in my opinion the single stupidest thing Prussia ever did as a country. Its a classic tale of short term thinking, in Prussias attempt to join east and west prussia it had given up the single greatest buffer state we had, and put a very hungry Russian bear right on our door step. Once the foolishness of our actions hit us we tried several things to apease them and several things to grow our power but at the end of the day our foolishness put them on our boarder.
That's the thing that ultimently led to our downfall.
The war on the west? Sound and fury signifying nothing, the French knew we were coming and the Jungle Poles sabotage meant that by the time we got to the boarder the French were waiting for us, and we were stopped cold, and we spent the entire war on the western front just throwing away lives.
The french for their part after the first year decided that since we were not on French soil that they could simply squeeze Germany to death, well the British really, and just upgraded their defenses, allowing us to bloody ourselves on offenses that just didn't work.
The British for their part tried other fronts you know anything to bleed us dry. Turkey was their biggest success the Ottomans pretty much lost everything during the Arab revolts, and lost 3 million men trying to defeat the red line of Antolia. The only place we really had any success was in fighting Russia.
And that was in large part due to all of the restive minorities who were willing to gleefully accept German Arms to fight the russians for their freedom. I generally grew to like these people, in the end though the communist revolution felled the Russian giant and our eastern boarder was secure once more.
The diplomats lost us the war, I mean people blamed the socialists, the jews and all of these other people but in my opinion the people who lost us the war were the diplomats. I mean the shear idiocy of trying to get a country in the middle of a revolution to attack a great power with no way to supply them? I mean what were they thinking? Even the Yankees had limits.
That was the end for us, the constant fruitless attacks the arrival of the enemies tanks, and then knowing that the enemy would have a collection of Fresh bodies? And on top of that the fact we were starving. No the war at that point was lost.
The terms were harsh 132 billion gold marks, loss of territory it was harsh.
But the Poles did some work for us behind the scenes, Instead of Germany accepting a national Blame, Prussia would be blamed and the region under East Prussia would be split off from Germany and would be forced to pay half the reperations. The Kaiser would be allowed to continue to run the now impoverished prussia.
In return for this legal fiction, we agreed to sell the city of Danzig to Poland for 6 billion gold reichmark's. Most of which they had in their reserves. They also worked out a deal were Germany agreed to 'sell' our colonies to help pay our debts. When the horse trading was over we only owed 50 billion gold marks.
It was a burden, I'm not going to lie but the Poles had successfully worked with the French anger to direct their rage and hate at the Kaiser and Prussia instead of ourselves, and the greatly reduced amount was something we could pay. It was a defeat we had lost territory, we had lost our empire but Germany still lived and while it would struggle to pay the reperations, at least they were static with no interest upon it.
Austria Hungry, and the Ottomans had come out of it much worse then we did, and for all of the problems we actually lived in a more secure Germany. With a whole host of countries we had friendly economic ties with who were eager to be our shield against the Soviet threat.
If we had been content with what we had, then Germany could have prospered and been a respected great power, but that's the problem with us as a country we only saw what we didn't have instead of what we did.
Yes,it could worked.And germans had reasons to blame everything on Prussia - but,since Allies punished them the same,we got Hitler as result.
Pity,that nobody thought about it in OTL.
I think,that Poland in this scenario should take Lithuania/they supported soviets/ and entire Belaruss,also made border on Ukraine on rivers.
Also - Hipolit Korwin-Milewski in his memories wrote,that USA in 1919 wanted sell their weapons and workshops/in fact small factories/ for half-price to Poland/they must gave it to France otherwise/
Unfortunatelly,nobody in Poland was smart enough to take this proposition.
Another thing - we could send Haller army/5 dyvisions/ earlier to country - Czech would not take Zaolzie in this scenario.
Unfortunatelly,Piłsudzki blocked it.
Last important thing - A-H fell,and it military industry was destroyed,or taken by Czech.We could take it for ourselves,instead -
Skoda factory wanted move to Poland in 1919,but Piłsudzki was not interested.
They produced 3 kind of fighters - german Albatros,Phoenix D.II which was improvised version of german Brandenburg,and A-H plane,Aviatik/Berg/ D.I
They also made stronger engines then germans/167kW compared to 138kW/ ,but one was invented by Ferdynand Porshe/Austro-Daimler/ ,and of course had problems.Yes,that Porshe.
Other dude,Otto Hieronymus,made good reliable engines,and died in car accident in 1924.
If Poland hired him,he could be still alive/factory Warchałowski-Eissler/
That factory could go to Poland.
Germans had more fighters,so you could one from them,too.Except Fokker,who go to Holland./Pfalz D.XII,Roland D.VI,Siemens-Schuckert D.IIIJunkers D.I - but it was metal plane/
I think,that buing factories from A-H would be cheaper.And hiring their engineers,too.
P.S France which do not try frontal attack lost less man,so they would not become pacyfists.
And - germans had new guns with better range thanks to longer barrels and new ammo - Poland could buy them,too.
Or...if USA would sell them mini-factories to made guns,then why bother?
P.S.S Would Turkey start WW2 with soviets help?
WW1 Death toll
WW1 casulties
Allies
Russia- 1,900,000 KIA
British Empire 700,371 KIA
France 757,800 KIA
Italy 640,000 KIA
United states 110,516 KIA
Japan 350 KIA
Romania 335,706 KIA
Serbia 45,000 KIA
Belgium 83,716 KIA
Greece 15,000 KIA
Portugual 7,122 KIA
Montenegro 3,000
New Poland - 80,000 KIA
Central powers
Germany 1,793,700 KIA
Austria Hungry 1,200,000 KIA
Turkey 3,150,000 KIA
Bulgaria 84,500 KIA
Provisional Polish authority 80,000 KIA
Allies
Russia- 1,900,000 KIA
British Empire 700,371 KIA
France 757,800 KIA
Italy 640,000 KIA
United states 110,516 KIA
Japan 350 KIA
Romania 335,706 KIA
Serbia 45,000 KIA
Belgium 83,716 KIA
Greece 15,000 KIA
Portugual 7,122 KIA
Montenegro 3,000
New Poland - 80,000 KIA
Central powers
Germany 1,793,700 KIA
Austria Hungry 1,200,000 KIA
Turkey 3,150,000 KIA
Bulgaria 84,500 KIA
Provisional Polish authority 80,000 KIA
Wolfgang Gert Stresemann
Wolfgang Gert Stresemann
The Great war demolished Germany, but it could have been worse.
We left it owing 66 billion gold marks, 22 to France, 22 to the british, and 22 to the Belgians. The yanks were mostly satisfied to basically nullify all of our patents which hurt but it could have made things worse. The fact that the allies seperated us from Prussia and cut the debt in half instead of doing things proportionally utterly devisated the Prussians but it gave us the wiggle room to rebuild.
So first thing we did at least try to get a better deal, the colonies were lost no matter what we did. Selling them to the British to reduce the reperations to 56 billion made sense. The deal we made for Danzig, humilating but bringing in 6 billion to split between the 3 major powers was the thing we needed to get some breathing room.
After that we owed 10 billion to the British, 20 billion to the French, and 20 billion to the belgians. My father was the first to realize one very important fact. The only people we had to make happy were the French and British. The beligans were too weak to actually hurt us and go to war with us.
Thus the decision was to concentrate on paying off the powers that could harm us while stalling on a lot of other issues. First the Navy we agreed to a reduction but my father stalled on destroying it using the money from Danzig to buy us time. We looked around for buyers.
In 1919 after the war was over the Turks decided to got to war with the Greeks to reclaim everything and we sold all of the older ships that by treaty we were no longer allowed to have, and quite simply put we screwed the greeks on the deal. They needed a fleet right then and there.
They had been able to grab the Ottoman Treasury and a deal was worked out. 10 billion marks, 7 billion up front with the remaining 3 billion to be paid to the French out of the passage fee's they were charging to anyone traveling through the straits.
The French didn't like it at first but they did like money, and we were showing good faith. In the same year, the Soviets decided to invade Poland and they wanted to buy our old weapons, and the british were scared so we capitalized on that fear and told them that we were willing to graciously sell our old stock to the Poles in exchange for forgiving our reperations payments. We got a deal to cut it in half, the brits thought it was cutting the then current debt in half, but father had sneaked in some wording and then we put it to an international court.
We now officially owed the British nothing the diplomat who had signed the agreement was of course fired for gross in competence but with that deal inked and another 10 million marks paid to the french from the naval deal father had more or less paid off half the reperation's we owed with in a couple years. That meant we had a grand total of one power that we needed to keep happy while we rebuilt our country. France.
We gave the Belgians minimum payments while making sure that the French got the lions share of the money. The Belgians were in a frothing rage about the entire thing but once again they were too weak to do anything and the Anglos and French accepted our logic that we only had so much money, and it was either prioritize paying them or our economy would collapse and we wouldn't be able to pay anything at all and the French wanted their money.
By the time the Polish Soviet war and the Greek Turkish one had ended, we had been able to pay off another 4 billion marks of the French debt. 26 billion marks was a large sum of money but it was something we could realistically pay off. My father became a hero, and was able to lead Germany through a golden 20s.
Yes Weimar played fast and loose with the rules at times, our tendency to exile both right wing and left wing extremists to Prussia to keep the peace one of those occasions, but it worked. The problem was my father wasn't man who had the best health. But he took a struggling country and rebuilt it into a functional one, and as he laid dying he made two requests.
Be responsible with the money supply and never let the Prussians back into the fold.
Both pieces of advice were ignored and in my exile from my homeland I wondered if this current nightmare would have been avoided if his advice had been heeded.
The Great war demolished Germany, but it could have been worse.
We left it owing 66 billion gold marks, 22 to France, 22 to the british, and 22 to the Belgians. The yanks were mostly satisfied to basically nullify all of our patents which hurt but it could have made things worse. The fact that the allies seperated us from Prussia and cut the debt in half instead of doing things proportionally utterly devisated the Prussians but it gave us the wiggle room to rebuild.
So first thing we did at least try to get a better deal, the colonies were lost no matter what we did. Selling them to the British to reduce the reperations to 56 billion made sense. The deal we made for Danzig, humilating but bringing in 6 billion to split between the 3 major powers was the thing we needed to get some breathing room.
After that we owed 10 billion to the British, 20 billion to the French, and 20 billion to the belgians. My father was the first to realize one very important fact. The only people we had to make happy were the French and British. The beligans were too weak to actually hurt us and go to war with us.
Thus the decision was to concentrate on paying off the powers that could harm us while stalling on a lot of other issues. First the Navy we agreed to a reduction but my father stalled on destroying it using the money from Danzig to buy us time. We looked around for buyers.
In 1919 after the war was over the Turks decided to got to war with the Greeks to reclaim everything and we sold all of the older ships that by treaty we were no longer allowed to have, and quite simply put we screwed the greeks on the deal. They needed a fleet right then and there.
They had been able to grab the Ottoman Treasury and a deal was worked out. 10 billion marks, 7 billion up front with the remaining 3 billion to be paid to the French out of the passage fee's they were charging to anyone traveling through the straits.
The French didn't like it at first but they did like money, and we were showing good faith. In the same year, the Soviets decided to invade Poland and they wanted to buy our old weapons, and the british were scared so we capitalized on that fear and told them that we were willing to graciously sell our old stock to the Poles in exchange for forgiving our reperations payments. We got a deal to cut it in half, the brits thought it was cutting the then current debt in half, but father had sneaked in some wording and then we put it to an international court.
We now officially owed the British nothing the diplomat who had signed the agreement was of course fired for gross in competence but with that deal inked and another 10 million marks paid to the french from the naval deal father had more or less paid off half the reperation's we owed with in a couple years. That meant we had a grand total of one power that we needed to keep happy while we rebuilt our country. France.
We gave the Belgians minimum payments while making sure that the French got the lions share of the money. The Belgians were in a frothing rage about the entire thing but once again they were too weak to do anything and the Anglos and French accepted our logic that we only had so much money, and it was either prioritize paying them or our economy would collapse and we wouldn't be able to pay anything at all and the French wanted their money.
By the time the Polish Soviet war and the Greek Turkish one had ended, we had been able to pay off another 4 billion marks of the French debt. 26 billion marks was a large sum of money but it was something we could realistically pay off. My father became a hero, and was able to lead Germany through a golden 20s.
Yes Weimar played fast and loose with the rules at times, our tendency to exile both right wing and left wing extremists to Prussia to keep the peace one of those occasions, but it worked. The problem was my father wasn't man who had the best health. But he took a struggling country and rebuilt it into a functional one, and as he laid dying he made two requests.
Be responsible with the money supply and never let the Prussians back into the fold.
Both pieces of advice were ignored and in my exile from my homeland I wondered if this current nightmare would have been avoided if his advice had been heeded.
So,we somehow still get Hitler? it would be funny.
But,now we would have smart Poland - which mean:
1.Invading soviets in 1930 - they do not mass produce tanks yet,and arleady genocided farmers who do not wanted kolchoz.Everybody there waited for polish invasion - which do not happened,becouse Piłsudzki was stupid/Dmowski in that regard,too/.
2.Invading germans,if they invade Austria.Or,at least,support Czech.
So,there should be no WW2 - unless....Piłsudzki made putch in 1926 and take power.He fucked Poland in OTL,why not in your TL,too?
General Tadeusz Rozwadowski
General Tadeusz Rozwadowski
The poilish was made up of soldiers who had formerly served in the various empires and the exiles supported by inexperienced volunteers and recruits. logistics were a nightmare, relying on whatever equipment was left over from World War I and could be captured. The Polish Army employed guns made in five countries, and rifles manufactured in six, each using different ammunition. Before the Battle of Warsaw the 1st Legions Infantry Division comprised three regiments, one of which was armed with German rifles, a second with French rifles and carbimes, while the third used Russian rifles. Each make of weapon took ammunition of a different caliber.
The Russians brought about 900,000 men into the conflict, we brought in everything we had.
The exiles, were the core the backbone of the new Polish army, when the war ended they 'punished' the various forces who didn't support poland with conscription at their old rank. They had also been in the process of trying to sanitize the armed forces into something capable of winning.
They were cold, dour and the only humor the exiles seemed to possess was dark, and I don't think for a moment we could have won with out them. Those long generations of exile into a green hell had created organized, disiplined men used to hardship and they were determined to not lose the home land they had so recently gained.
They had a force of about a 100,000 roughly only a tenth of our military but they were the core around which the Polish army fought. Western Poland was a militerized society, where boys were taught how to shoot at a young age, where the military formed a core of their culture and in battle they were fiece.
Initially there had been some thought about a preemtive war but Trostkey and his forces struck first determined to destroy poland before it was properally organized the Russians made some progress at first. But the Exiles organized a counter attack and held them off and then they bought as many weapons as they could. The vast bulk of the exile forces holding off the Russians outnumbered as the rest trained the native Poles how to fight.
The first year was the worst one, then as weapons and material and trained men came out the tide of battle turned, when Trotskey went to Warsaw we were ready for him, we stopped his communications with bible verses, used prepared traps and flanked his forces.
We curb stomped him, I mean that quite litterally. We actually took the man forced him to bite the curb and then stomped on his head to kill him. With the loss of their best general the Soviet army started fighting worse and worse. We kicked them out of Poland, and we went south to liberate the Ukraine.
In 1921 the Soviets understood that if the war continued much longer we would be at the gates of Moscow. So they went to the british and asked them to negiotate a peace. We agreed, yes the british had screwed us during the post war negiotations but we thought they fully understood that the soviets were a threat to the balance of power.
We requested Ukraine be accepted as a free and independent nation and a few other things After all we were winning the war. The british fucked us, our boarders were respected yes but we recieved no reperations, no expansion of our lands the Ukraine and other areas we took had to be returned to the soviets.
We were absolutely furious with them but they threatened to blockaid us if we refused the peace deal.
There were only three consolations for us, one our independence was secured, two we had lost no land, and three the absolute cunt responsible for mediating the peace deal was fired for gross incopetance when it was found out the germans hoodwinked him.
In retrospect we should have finished off the soviet monster when we had a chance but the 20s was a time when lots of countries made mistakes they would soon pay dearly for.
The poilish was made up of soldiers who had formerly served in the various empires and the exiles supported by inexperienced volunteers and recruits. logistics were a nightmare, relying on whatever equipment was left over from World War I and could be captured. The Polish Army employed guns made in five countries, and rifles manufactured in six, each using different ammunition. Before the Battle of Warsaw the 1st Legions Infantry Division comprised three regiments, one of which was armed with German rifles, a second with French rifles and carbimes, while the third used Russian rifles. Each make of weapon took ammunition of a different caliber.
The Russians brought about 900,000 men into the conflict, we brought in everything we had.
The exiles, were the core the backbone of the new Polish army, when the war ended they 'punished' the various forces who didn't support poland with conscription at their old rank. They had also been in the process of trying to sanitize the armed forces into something capable of winning.
They were cold, dour and the only humor the exiles seemed to possess was dark, and I don't think for a moment we could have won with out them. Those long generations of exile into a green hell had created organized, disiplined men used to hardship and they were determined to not lose the home land they had so recently gained.
They had a force of about a 100,000 roughly only a tenth of our military but they were the core around which the Polish army fought. Western Poland was a militerized society, where boys were taught how to shoot at a young age, where the military formed a core of their culture and in battle they were fiece.
Initially there had been some thought about a preemtive war but Trostkey and his forces struck first determined to destroy poland before it was properally organized the Russians made some progress at first. But the Exiles organized a counter attack and held them off and then they bought as many weapons as they could. The vast bulk of the exile forces holding off the Russians outnumbered as the rest trained the native Poles how to fight.
The first year was the worst one, then as weapons and material and trained men came out the tide of battle turned, when Trotskey went to Warsaw we were ready for him, we stopped his communications with bible verses, used prepared traps and flanked his forces.
We curb stomped him, I mean that quite litterally. We actually took the man forced him to bite the curb and then stomped on his head to kill him. With the loss of their best general the Soviet army started fighting worse and worse. We kicked them out of Poland, and we went south to liberate the Ukraine.
In 1921 the Soviets understood that if the war continued much longer we would be at the gates of Moscow. So they went to the british and asked them to negiotate a peace. We agreed, yes the british had screwed us during the post war negiotations but we thought they fully understood that the soviets were a threat to the balance of power.
We requested Ukraine be accepted as a free and independent nation and a few other things After all we were winning the war. The british fucked us, our boarders were respected yes but we recieved no reperations, no expansion of our lands the Ukraine and other areas we took had to be returned to the soviets.
We were absolutely furious with them but they threatened to blockaid us if we refused the peace deal.
There were only three consolations for us, one our independence was secured, two we had lost no land, and three the absolute cunt responsible for mediating the peace deal was fired for gross incopetance when it was found out the germans hoodwinked him.
In retrospect we should have finished off the soviet monster when we had a chance but the 20s was a time when lots of countries made mistakes they would soon pay dearly for.
Yes,british would do so.In OTL they supported germans no matter what,and was absolutely ignorant - to the point,where Llyold George ,when we demanded Galicia,asked why we want part of Spain.
Did Poland get better borders then OTL? i think,that we should at least take entire Belaruss.
And,since Nowa Polska dudes are both smart and ruthless,they should:
1.Do not let Piłsudzki made putch.
2.Attack soviets,when they made kolchoz - in 1930 everybody there waited for us from Ukraine to Kazachstan.We could take it all.
P.S Tadeusz Rozwadowski in OTL invented waking barrage for A-H army in 1915/Gorlice battle/ ,made plans for Warsaw battle,and ,with Haller,was commander - becouse Piłsudzki go to see family at that time.
After putch was imprisoned,made ill,and sanacja forbid autopsy when he died - so probably was murdered.
I hope,that here he would live longer.
Merry Christmas !
Did Poland get better borders then OTL? i think,that we should at least take entire Belaruss.
And,since Nowa Polska dudes are both smart and ruthless,they should:
1.Do not let Piłsudzki made putch.
2.Attack soviets,when they made kolchoz - in 1930 everybody there waited for us from Ukraine to Kazachstan.We could take it all.
P.S Tadeusz Rozwadowski in OTL invented waking barrage for A-H army in 1915/Gorlice battle/ ,made plans for Warsaw battle,and ,with Haller,was commander - becouse Piłsudzki go to see family at that time.
After putch was imprisoned,made ill,and sanacja forbid autopsy when he died - so probably was murdered.
I hope,that here he would live longer.
Merry Christmas !
Francois Darlan
Francois Darlan
The lesson of Poland was a simple one, if a country had a colony, even if it wasn't an unpleasant place with time and effort one could use said colony as a springboard to reclaim your lost homeland. Even if it seemed hopeless it offered you a chance. Thus two plans were created in case of yet another German invasion. The Maginot Line and the Warsaw plan.
The Maginot line was the first plan, in the event of a German invasion it would hopefully stop them cold with the belgians working with us we could stop the germans and strangle them, but like I said it had been very clearly proven that a country could fight on from their colonies so the war saw plan was plan B.
First part of the plan was find a colony that could act as a back up. Algeria was chosen for its size resources and because it was declared an integeral part of France. With the end of the war the decision was made to build up our Algerian territories if the worse came to pass.
We emptied our prisons, mass exile to settle Algeria replaced most punishments. Troops were given plots of land, the Arab Population didn't like it they revolted. While it was a controversal decision we decided that we needed the warsaw plan more then we needed the Arabs.
We graciously resettled the Arab population in Gabon, while this had negative effects on the native black population we could afford to lose Gabon losing Algeria would mean losing our back up plan. To further help with the settling of the land we offered santuary to christians in the middle east. Offered deals to Native French giving them free land, and used methods of carrot and stick to build up the northern coastal area of Algeria.
It was decided that a portion of the government would always be settled there. Quite a bit of the reperations money went into paying for all of this, military bases were build there, ports were expanded and industry was moved there as well. Not as much as the metropole but we accomplished quite a bit during the 1920s. Of course we were not the only ones with such a plan, the Dutch built up suirname, the Belgians built up a portion of Congo, the British had plans for Canada, and of course the Poles had their standby as well.
Unlike the British or the yankee's we saw the end of the great war as just a pause in the fighting, the nature of the german was in my opinion one of aggression and sooner or later he would be back.
The lesson of Poland was a simple one, if a country had a colony, even if it wasn't an unpleasant place with time and effort one could use said colony as a springboard to reclaim your lost homeland. Even if it seemed hopeless it offered you a chance. Thus two plans were created in case of yet another German invasion. The Maginot Line and the Warsaw plan.
The Maginot line was the first plan, in the event of a German invasion it would hopefully stop them cold with the belgians working with us we could stop the germans and strangle them, but like I said it had been very clearly proven that a country could fight on from their colonies so the war saw plan was plan B.
First part of the plan was find a colony that could act as a back up. Algeria was chosen for its size resources and because it was declared an integeral part of France. With the end of the war the decision was made to build up our Algerian territories if the worse came to pass.
We emptied our prisons, mass exile to settle Algeria replaced most punishments. Troops were given plots of land, the Arab Population didn't like it they revolted. While it was a controversal decision we decided that we needed the warsaw plan more then we needed the Arabs.
We graciously resettled the Arab population in Gabon, while this had negative effects on the native black population we could afford to lose Gabon losing Algeria would mean losing our back up plan. To further help with the settling of the land we offered santuary to christians in the middle east. Offered deals to Native French giving them free land, and used methods of carrot and stick to build up the northern coastal area of Algeria.
It was decided that a portion of the government would always be settled there. Quite a bit of the reperations money went into paying for all of this, military bases were build there, ports were expanded and industry was moved there as well. Not as much as the metropole but we accomplished quite a bit during the 1920s. Of course we were not the only ones with such a plan, the Dutch built up suirname, the Belgians built up a portion of Congo, the British had plans for Canada, and of course the Poles had their standby as well.
Unlike the British or the yankee's we saw the end of the great war as just a pause in the fighting, the nature of the german was in my opinion one of aggression and sooner or later he would be back.
Wilhelm Marx- former Chanceler of Germany
Wilhelm Marx- former Chanceler of Germany
Hermann Müller killed the Weimar republic.
He killed the German economy, he invited in the madmen that would end up destroying everything. Germany's position in the world before his decision was secure, the economy while it had problems was doing better, our economy was sound and we had a row of buffer countries eager to buy our products between ourselves and the soviet threat. For all of the faults of the era we were more or less secure and more or less at peace with our neighbors.
Yes the French were building their little line and yes they bullied the prussian's quite extensively but they were a seperate country and one that had thrust us into the mess of the great war. The only thing of value the Prussians produced was a place to throw our trash, but the thing about trash is that once its thrown away you don't go rooting around in it to get it back or you will get sick.
Hermann didn't get it, and when Prussia fell to a coup and the Kaiser fled he made the decision to take their offer to rejoin the German empire seriously instead of laughing at it and saying no. Quite a few of us mentioned that if we took in Prussia we would be inheriting all of their debt, that it would freak out our neighbors and that that the insanity that was prussian politics would infect Germany.
Both the French and British were alarmed by this action, it came down to a vote, and it passed by a single vote. Both the French and British demanded repayment of all of Prussia's debt now, and Herman being an idiot decided to just run the printers. Which ruined the economy with inflation, which demolished a lot of our industries. American banks had been invited to invest in German industry and companies after the war. There were partnerships and our economies were intertwined, and then Herman decided to default on all debts owed to the yanks.
This crashed the american banks and started a global depression, in the wake of this self inflicted disaster the German political system shattered, the big parties competing with smaller political parties, big parties splintering into fractions each blaming each other for the disaster, the only area that was unified was Prussia.
And the wake of the chaos the national socialists slowly took more and more power from their headquaters in Prussia growing to dominate German politics. The disaster that followed was perhaps predictable and utterly preventable.
Hermann Müller killed the Weimar republic.
He killed the German economy, he invited in the madmen that would end up destroying everything. Germany's position in the world before his decision was secure, the economy while it had problems was doing better, our economy was sound and we had a row of buffer countries eager to buy our products between ourselves and the soviet threat. For all of the faults of the era we were more or less secure and more or less at peace with our neighbors.
Yes the French were building their little line and yes they bullied the prussian's quite extensively but they were a seperate country and one that had thrust us into the mess of the great war. The only thing of value the Prussians produced was a place to throw our trash, but the thing about trash is that once its thrown away you don't go rooting around in it to get it back or you will get sick.
Hermann didn't get it, and when Prussia fell to a coup and the Kaiser fled he made the decision to take their offer to rejoin the German empire seriously instead of laughing at it and saying no. Quite a few of us mentioned that if we took in Prussia we would be inheriting all of their debt, that it would freak out our neighbors and that that the insanity that was prussian politics would infect Germany.
Both the French and British were alarmed by this action, it came down to a vote, and it passed by a single vote. Both the French and British demanded repayment of all of Prussia's debt now, and Herman being an idiot decided to just run the printers. Which ruined the economy with inflation, which demolished a lot of our industries. American banks had been invited to invest in German industry and companies after the war. There were partnerships and our economies were intertwined, and then Herman decided to default on all debts owed to the yanks.
This crashed the american banks and started a global depression, in the wake of this self inflicted disaster the German political system shattered, the big parties competing with smaller political parties, big parties splintering into fractions each blaming each other for the disaster, the only area that was unified was Prussia.
And the wake of the chaos the national socialists slowly took more and more power from their headquaters in Prussia growing to dominate German politics. The disaster that followed was perhaps predictable and utterly preventable.
Algeria - local berbers would love to fuck arabs,and was loyal to France.You could keep them there.
And state as place for christians is good idea,too.
But - germans should not be problem here,becouse:
1.Smart Poland/not Piłsudzki ruling/ would attack them in 1936,or at worst in 1938 helping czech or Austria.
Smarter France would join.
2.Even if we had idiots,France with better maginot line would hold.
Soviets - Poland had chance to crush them in 1930 when everybody normal there waited for us,and soviets do not mass produced tanks yet.
Smart Poland should do so.
Only way for Poland losing in stupid way - if Piłsudzki putch in 1926 succed.He really fucked both economy and military.
If that happen,you could recreate WW2 with France fighting in Algeria.
And state as place for christians is good idea,too.
But - germans should not be problem here,becouse:
1.Smart Poland/not Piłsudzki ruling/ would attack them in 1936,or at worst in 1938 helping czech or Austria.
Smarter France would join.
2.Even if we had idiots,France with better maginot line would hold.
Soviets - Poland had chance to crush them in 1930 when everybody normal there waited for us,and soviets do not mass produced tanks yet.
Smart Poland should do so.
Only way for Poland losing in stupid way - if Piłsudzki putch in 1926 succed.He really fucked both economy and military.
If that happen,you could recreate WW2 with France fighting in Algeria.
Dutch leaders
Charles Joseph Marie Ruijs de Beerenbrouck- Dutch political leader
For the most part we dutch did not do settler colonies, we established trading blocks and zones of operation but not settler colonies like the British, French, spanish or portuguze. With the Napolonic wars, we saw that both Portugal and Poland were able to continue existing in their empires at least for awhile.
There were worries that the Poles stuffed as they were in their tropical hell would in time just take Suriname to gain its land and resources and when we ran the numbers we thought it unlikely we would win such a conflict. So the decision was made to send white convicts to the south american outpost to settle it. We didn't put any real effort into the venture, but over the 1800s white people slowly became a plurality of the population.
It was with the end of the great war and its horrifying aftermath that we came to the conclusion like many other places that the netherlands needed to seriously invest in a back up plan to save its culture. This is when we started making an actual effort to settle Suriname, to build it up as a way to perserve the netherlands. It was turned from a colony into a full kingdom of the netherlands and we made efforts to build housing for future refugees and setlle some or our political elite to make sure that we could fight on.
When the depression happened well it hit the entire world, we dealt with it by giving people who had lost everything land grants in Suriname, while quite a few people resented this exile it gave them land, a place to live and a way for the dutch to survive if the unthinkable happened.
And the unthinkable a second great war looked more likely all of the time, I place blame firmly onto the feet of the british and their diplomatic core. Most people do, there were serveral times when Hitler could have been stopped cold in his tracks.
The German Annexation of Austria? That was oppossed by both the French, and Poles they were gearing up for war before the British stopped them cold, time after time they appeased Hitler and the nazi's allowing them to get stronger over the objections of every one else.
The world would pay a price for the British desire for peace at any price and as I look around in my tropical exile I cant help but feel bitter for all of it.
For the most part we dutch did not do settler colonies, we established trading blocks and zones of operation but not settler colonies like the British, French, spanish or portuguze. With the Napolonic wars, we saw that both Portugal and Poland were able to continue existing in their empires at least for awhile.
There were worries that the Poles stuffed as they were in their tropical hell would in time just take Suriname to gain its land and resources and when we ran the numbers we thought it unlikely we would win such a conflict. So the decision was made to send white convicts to the south american outpost to settle it. We didn't put any real effort into the venture, but over the 1800s white people slowly became a plurality of the population.
It was with the end of the great war and its horrifying aftermath that we came to the conclusion like many other places that the netherlands needed to seriously invest in a back up plan to save its culture. This is when we started making an actual effort to settle Suriname, to build it up as a way to perserve the netherlands. It was turned from a colony into a full kingdom of the netherlands and we made efforts to build housing for future refugees and setlle some or our political elite to make sure that we could fight on.
When the depression happened well it hit the entire world, we dealt with it by giving people who had lost everything land grants in Suriname, while quite a few people resented this exile it gave them land, a place to live and a way for the dutch to survive if the unthinkable happened.
And the unthinkable a second great war looked more likely all of the time, I place blame firmly onto the feet of the british and their diplomatic core. Most people do, there were serveral times when Hitler could have been stopped cold in his tracks.
The German Annexation of Austria? That was oppossed by both the French, and Poles they were gearing up for war before the British stopped them cold, time after time they appeased Hitler and the nazi's allowing them to get stronger over the objections of every one else.
The world would pay a price for the British desire for peace at any price and as I look around in my tropical exile I cant help but feel bitter for all of it.
David Ben-Gurion
David Ben-Gurion
I think the reason the main one why the brits were lets face it such assholes to the Poles was the return clause. You see the British basically tried to control the out come of the entire peace treaty. Sidelining the yanks when ever possible, sidelining the french, essentially trying to turn it into their own personal show.
This was something that grated on all of the participents the yanks most of all. So the Poles snuck in a clause that the british were no allowed to put any kinds of limitations on jewish emigration to their Palastinian mandate and if they did so it would be turned over to the French. It was a last minute addition and the french helped sneak it in as a passive agressive thing.
So as things got worse in europe the Jewish population in the mandate exploded and the Arabs revolted and tried to massacre the jews and lost. The british decided to apease them with the white papers, by this time the English had Fucked the Poles over numerous times and had created a threat that was clearly going to invade Poland and start another war.
All this had happened because of the brits obbession with a balance of power and peace at all cost essentially putting the war off and Strengthening germany making the conflict both enivitable and worse. The French for their part also saw the conflict as envitable and brought up the clause.
The British now had a choice of unrestricted emigration of jews into Palastine or being forced to hand the thing over to the poles. If there is anything an englishman dispises its being forced to actually keep a promise and the Poles and French did that. The British mood got nastier, and Nevile Chamberland hated it but continued to attempt to appease Hitler and the Nazis in the hope that they would be a bulwark against communist Russia.
Then Russia and Germany formed an alliance and well the rest is history is it not?
But Palastine remained open, weather the brits liked it or not and that saved millions of lives. I have a lot of respect for the Poles even if it was done out of spite they still helped save 3 million souls from the camps.
I think the reason the main one why the brits were lets face it such assholes to the Poles was the return clause. You see the British basically tried to control the out come of the entire peace treaty. Sidelining the yanks when ever possible, sidelining the french, essentially trying to turn it into their own personal show.
This was something that grated on all of the participents the yanks most of all. So the Poles snuck in a clause that the british were no allowed to put any kinds of limitations on jewish emigration to their Palastinian mandate and if they did so it would be turned over to the French. It was a last minute addition and the french helped sneak it in as a passive agressive thing.
So as things got worse in europe the Jewish population in the mandate exploded and the Arabs revolted and tried to massacre the jews and lost. The british decided to apease them with the white papers, by this time the English had Fucked the Poles over numerous times and had created a threat that was clearly going to invade Poland and start another war.
All this had happened because of the brits obbession with a balance of power and peace at all cost essentially putting the war off and Strengthening germany making the conflict both enivitable and worse. The French for their part also saw the conflict as envitable and brought up the clause.
The British now had a choice of unrestricted emigration of jews into Palastine or being forced to hand the thing over to the poles. If there is anything an englishman dispises its being forced to actually keep a promise and the Poles and French did that. The British mood got nastier, and Nevile Chamberland hated it but continued to attempt to appease Hitler and the Nazis in the hope that they would be a bulwark against communist Russia.
Then Russia and Germany formed an alliance and well the rest is history is it not?
But Palastine remained open, weather the brits liked it or not and that saved millions of lives. I have a lot of respect for the Poles even if it was done out of spite they still helped save 3 million souls from the camps.