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Manuel Deodoro da Fonseca- Your pathetic country only exists because of American pity French incompetence, and spite

Jozef Chłopicki- countries have been built on worse







Thomas Jefferson


Casimir Pulaski was a friend of mine, I suppose that's why I did it, we had met on my estate and I found him to be a pleasant sort. He didn't survive the war but he had fought bravely for our independence, and did so while his country was being consumed. So when I got the French offer for the Lousiana purchase to essentially double the size of our country for 15 million dollars. I wanted to jump on it in an instant. But an Aid say I could most likely talk them down.

So I decided to send a counter offer, for 13 million dollars, and at the moment I remembered my old friend and I knew that when this conflict was over his country would most likely end its existence most likely forever. The thought came to me that the polish people would be safer in the new world. I doubted the french would give up any of their sugar islands but Guyania was a hostile place. So out of guilt I also requested these lands be turned into a home land for the polish people.

It was in many ways a silly demand I thought for certain the French would refuse, but I could use that to negiotate for maybe a smaller amount. I got a response that Napoleon was willing to settle the issue for 14 million I simply assumed that the polish clause had been removed. So I went to congress and while they were angry that I went behind their backs they knew we couldn't refuse a chance to double the size of our nation. So they agreed but that clause remained and had been included in the treaty.

The French to their credit stayed true to the deal, and when the napolonic wars came to an end the Poles lost everything in europe as I had predicted. But out of a mixture or pity the Poles were allowed to keep the former French penal colony, while conditions there were harsh in at least one part of the world the Poles were free.


Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand


Pure incompetence, that whole deal, I had come down with the flu and was not able to oversee the purchase, I assure you that had I been in charge we would have gotten more money, and we would not have lost French Guyanna. But the idiot they put in charge only looked at the money and was simply convinced the yankees were going to take it all on the battlefield. So he sent the offer back with a higher amount and didn't look to see any other changes.

By the time it was all inked, and I returned once again in good health I saw what had happened. The emperor for his part was sanquine about the issue and said we had less then 20,000 people in that green hell, and it would not be worth it to damage our relations with our polish allies over so small a matter, not when there was a world to gain.

The Poles for their part thanked both parties and promptly sent off some trouble makers of little importance so they would not damage the war effort. It didn't work though the war was still lost. I would have thought the Poles would lose their colony as they did their mainland holdings but the British decided that the Poles would keep this singular colony.

Why? Well quite obviously they didn't want us to get it back, but they also didn't want the Russians, Prussians, or Austrians to have any claims in the new world and potentially meddle in their affairs, no fair better to have the impotent and weak Poles take over who were at this point a threat to no one.

It was to my surprise that the three powers that partitioned Poland didn't object. Then I realized that they planned to hold the threat of exile to a green hell over their polish subjects. The first exiles were the leaders of congress poland and their families, but others would follow criminals, disidents, and their like.

The polish people were given a choice either be with out freedom and be well fed dogs or hungry wolves. I considered the matter to be of little importance and considered the issue closed.
 
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Julian Tuwim- Polish refugee



Green hell.

With the fall of the The Duchy of Warsaw, of poland it was decided that its leaders and their families would be exiled to the new world or as the congress of vienna put it repatrated back to their native Poland. Basically every one who fought for the dutchy, and their families and any one the new occupiers didn't want to deal with. The people who remained paid for it they were taxed to transport the exiles.

Like the French we had exiled our criminals to the new world a small number roughly 5000 in number, when we got there most of them had died and we realized that we would have to either work together or die most horribly. We arrived with a limited number of tools, a limited amount of money, and the knowlege that there would be no aid from the outside world.

The idea of the vicious victorious coalition was that this land would be our down fall that this miserable nightmare world would kill us. Quite a few of us cursed the yankee's for giving us this 'gift'. Because this new Poland was a nightmare world. Being near the equator it was hot and oprressively humid all year round, it rained a lot. Practically every day, the idea that it could rain and be oppressively hot was an idea few of us could ponder such things did not happen back home.

The Interior was filled with malaria and mosquettos and vicious tribal peoples, tensions ran high.

This was a land that had swallowed up previous attempts to settle it a horrid land a bleak terrible place so how did we survive it? I think the secret to our survival because I will not call our conditions here a success was the fact that so many of us were military men. We were used to tight disipline, and you needed to be disiplined to survive here.

Dispite the heat sapping our strength we organized ourselves and built upon the coastline which was the most inhabitable part of this green hell. Our diet would be based quite a bit upon the bounty of the sea, with farming being a supliment to our diet. But the thing that kept us going the thing that made it bearable the reason we did not give in to despair was simple.

Hate.

Unlike the former failures we fully understood that we could never come home again, unlike the others we could put a defined face on who sent us here, unlike them we had some one to blame. The Austrian, the Prussian, the Russian, we had enemies we could blame for our current condition, and in every mans heart there was a song of vengence.

But it would not and could not be a revenge gained quickly. The enemy was across the ocean, and they were rich and powerful and numerous, but they thought us utterly defeated and this land while horrid might house a way to strike back at them a way to gain our revenge a way to restore our country and free our people.

but first the land had to be tamed, its riches exploited.

Be fruitful and muliply was the order of the day, any idea of family planning was thrown away the only plan was to have as many children as possible. One because the disease killed many and two because we needed the manpower, and three because in generations to come we hoped to become large enough a force to retake our homes.

While this sounded like madness to some to us there was a grim logic, europe was an ever shifting place and we were currently an ignored humilated force but we had a place to rebuild and sooner or later the great powers would be at each others throats and if by that time we had become strong enough we could force a peace that restored what we had lost.

But first we had to build, build for a future we would never see, to create the fire that would consume our enemies and send them to hell.
 
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It didn't take long for the enemy back home to realize they could kick out more then just the people who fought against them and their families more then the revolutionaries. If you were polish and committed a serious crime then you got kicked out after all hanging a man wouldnt' cause nearly as much suffering as sending us to new poland. Repatration they called it, were not exiling you were just sending you home.

Russians, Prussians Austrians they all did it.

When you arrived, what ever you did? It was in the past the need to labor for all hands was too great to quibble about such matters. If you commited more crimes? They did not kill you, no you just got shitter work and got food instead of money. Not that our money had any value outside of poland of course.

What money we had was made out of what was available, iron coins instead of silver or gold. Counterfitting was punished with hard labor but that was the punishment for everything. Trade? That was mostly with the Dutch the british and the ocasional yank. Brazile was in theory our neighbor but it was rare to actually see one, few wanted to live in the jungle and that was everything here. Other latin countries? Also rare, the spanish squeltched trade as much as possible and few developed the sailing spirit.

I volunteered for Militia duty right off the boat.

Why? Well why not even if it was bad it would give me connections. Disipline was harsh, the food was terrible, the pay was low, but there were benifits. Our biggest enemy was the cossak's our term for the natives the savages. They would come in and they would raid and kill people. A few attempts at diplomacy were made but all failed.

But Parlament noticed that the cossaks had one thing we needed.

Women, my job was to crawl through the jungle and look for cossak villages, when we found one we would return to civilization and gather up overwheiling forces. Then we would surround the village and then strike in the dead of night while they were sleeping.

The men we killed, even small boys the women we would chain up or tie up. In this manner we would do two things. We would eliminate another enemy tribe and solve the imbalance between men and women. The cossak girls would be given to a single man and become his wife, and they wouldn't be allowed to leave the city walls to make sure they stayed said mans wife.

The benifit of being in the miltia was that the miltiia men got first pick. Once a girl was picked she was baptized and married and that was that. Some times their new husbands were kind some times they were not but it was very much decided that any children between a pole and a cossak would be considered legally polish.

Unlike the british or the dutch we couldn't throw people away because of the circumstances of their birth because the land was harsh, more people were always coming and the cossak forces were always out there.
 
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All plausible.
And,you just aborted polish uprisings in 1830 and 1863.
Which change History - 1830 uprising prevented tsar from sending his army to destroy Belgium and change regime in France.
Now,those troops would be send - and face french,belg,and english troops without support.
They would lost.
We get weakened Russia which do not like prussia and Austria/they do not help them/,and poles could get some autonomy.

In 1848 Russia would not help Austria,so we would have free Hungary.And autonomy for poles in Austria,too.

What next? WW1 would still happen,but would Russia ally with England,after they humilitated them in 1830?
So many changes,all thanks to one small island !

P.S New Poland militarized and without racial idiocy - very probable.They could made few pacts with indians,and but black womans - to marry them,too.
Result?
New Poland in 1918 would be racially mixed.If Poland state would emerge here,it would benot racist like in OTL
/Even polish nationalist in OTL were not racist - they were against jews becouse of economy,not race/
 

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The first true mass migrations to new poland started in 1815, In 1845 the colony finally reached 1 million inhabitants. The Junta that ruled our country had to deal with hostile tribes but the true biggest killer was Malaria. But the Junta was very practical people were encouraged to have as many children as possible. There was always a influx of new people mostly criminals and a few potential rebels.

The first 30 years were the hard times, the Junta concentrated on settling the coasts. First the ocean and then the rivers. The problem was that we only had 460 kilometers of navigable water ways with a proper ship, you could of course get to over 3000 kilometers if you were willing to go really tiny with your ships.

For those first 30 years all any one thought about was survival, even if you couldn't make it the idea was at least some small part of poland would. That's honestly what kept us all away from each others throats, what kept us from killing each other and letting us be devoured by the land like so many colonies before hand.

We were it, there was no home to go back to, the cossaks wanted to murder us all, the land wanted to murder us all and the opressors back home gleefully laughed at our misfortune. Out of spite we desired to live. So we built wooden walls around our villages. We sent out teams to find the cossak villages and kill all of the men and take the women. To strengthen our own numbers and weaken theirs.

To drive them out to save ourselves.

Internationally we were completely irrelevant. The Dutch would buy our goods and sell goods from the civilized world at a mark up. The British would do like wise, the goods from the yanks were typically cheaper but of some what lower quality. Our relationship with brazil was words of sympathy but little else.

The monarchy there knew what it was like to lose ones homeland and to rely on their colony for survival and because of this they did not go after us when we were at our most vulnerable. Really that was our good fortune to be so irrelevent that we were in truth not even worth conquering.

Internationally? Well the Russians attempted to change the french government and crush some place called belgium and were promptly defeated, this happened in the 30s and there were revolts by the poles when they saw weakness. Revolts that were put down by Prussia and Austria. That resulted in another wave of repatrations of entire families.

These however came with more skills more education but we were focused on survival above all else, and we focused on that. It was when our 1 million people mark was hit that we reached the point where we had defeated the land, or at least were at the point where our survival was finally assured.

In 1845, the Junta sat down and talked with the people.

The fact was, conditions were bad, real bad. Rationing was still in effect only 2% of the land was arable, and most of our population was young, children. A million people sounds well and good but starvation was a threat the lands soil was horrible and it took a lot of trial and error to make it bear fruit.

What we needed was industry, real industry.

The only thing we had was fish, and wood and that was hardly enough to build a force to retake the homeland to defeat our enemies. To this end we looked for friends for countries that could sponsor us, to be our allies. We also looked for education and knowlege and what ever we could copy beg borrow or steal.

We had secured our countries survival now we had to build the industry needed to take it back. I think one thing that helped us in this quest was that no one around us seemingly had any desire to have industry. The brazilian land lords dispised it, the colonies next door were banned from it and central america had little desire for it. We couldn't compete with europe or the united states but we saw that their was a nitch to be had in little south america and thus we started our industrial policy, and continued the pronatalist policies of yesteryear.

We all knew it would be hard work but the dream kept us focused and alive.
 
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Now,wait for 1848 and catch more educated people fleeing from Europe.
Maybe take irish after their famine? they are catholics,too.
And Poland as island with factories for South America - it would work,at least till USA won cyvil war.You would be competitors then.
Brasil - if you help emperors there,they could keep power.Maybe with polish guard serving them?
Remember,polish mercaneries are another way to feed people!
Just like swiss till 19th century.

P.S you could mix offerts - deliver both industrial goods and mercaneries.This way Poland would have factories and good army,with many mercaneries which could be added to it.
 
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