LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Interesting claim. Care to actually back it up?
No True ChiCom/Commie Derail Thread
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Interesting claim. Care to actually back it up?
Realm, being called 'raving' by a commie like you is something I take as a compliment.If that statement defines someone as "Raving", seeing as I lifted it directly off Bacle that makes an interesting comment on this place
A handful million a year dead to lack of food, a handful million to lack of water, half a million to diarrhea from unclean water, it adds up quick
Didnt you drop out of uni because you spend all your money on bernie donations?
No, no I didn't.
In fact I wasn't even in uni when the election happened.
I donated a total of about $900 to him over several months, because I hated Hillary that much. That money came out of my savings that I had, part of which I was saving to go to a grad program.
I left that program for several reasons, partly because it wasn't a good fit for me (too many people like you in it), partly because of predatory and bullying professors, but not because of any funds issue.
The story you put forth is the result of a long game of telephone between people who already didn't like me.
Gotta admit it's more fun than "bullied by the libs" tho
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I can state numbers with no substantiation as well. Where did these numbers come from? Which nations? Which years?
Oh, so are you admitting you and others are willing to spread falsehoods about me because it's entertaining?
Citation Required.
It doesn't.
Nobody here has been claiming torture or rape to be necessary or legitimate.
Because I can almost guarantee your interrogation of sources if going to be extremely vapid and I'm on mobile, heres one for food
(A)lmost five million children under the age of five die of malnutrition-related causes every year
Aaaaaahahahahah, reread the Pinochet thread my friend.
Man, are you even aware how people interact with each other? Has anyone told you a rumor or what
You are a commie, are friends with other commies, you are friends with people who have repeatedly dogpiled me and report-spammed me, and who thought/think nothing of continuing to hassle PM members.
I absolutely will not give you or any of them the benefit of the doubt.
I'm going to take a flying guess here, and surmise that those children have the misfortune of living in countries that are economically backward, and have ruling elites who live in luxury and attend international conferences where they talk about redistributing more of the world's wealth to themselves, while doing little or nothing for the common people of their countries.
It's called Champagne Socialism.
I wonder how those elites maintain power.
Perhaps it has something to do with the IMF and transnational resource companies.
But no, you're right "Not Real Capitalism"
Thanks for confirming that extra effort on sources would be utterly wasted btw
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
And if those countries were socialist/communist, the only difference would be that you wouldn't pretend to care about people dying there.
Sankara got Burkina Faso from food insufficiency to surplus in under 4 years, but that doesn't fit with the anticom npc script I guess
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
This doesn't say where. Following the footnote on the death number also gets to a document that doesn't say where, and that document doesn't give sources either. You have failed to present proof.
It looks like he actually accomplished some substantial good things while he was in power, if his Wikipedia page is to be believed. Perhaps he was a true idealist, and would have continued to do mostly good things while in power.
If that's the case, it's no surprise he was assassinated and replaced by someone who, if Wikipedia is to believed, was horribly corrupt. That actual idealists will always be replaced by corrupt power-mongers is another of the points small-government advocates make, because corrupt power mongers do a lot more damage once they're in power.
Let's assume you're right about this particular instance, and an in-depth study won't reveal horribly sordid things about Sankara.
What about Zimbabwe? Robert Mugabe turned it from a breadbasket to a land wracked with starvation and in desperate poverty.
What about Venezuela? It went from being the wealthiest nation in South America just two decades ago... to people now starving en masse after the economy collapsed under the weight of socialism.
Then we can move on to North Korea, Vietnam, Maoist China, Soviet Russia, the Khmer Rouge...
Even if Sankara's 4-year stint actually managed to do more good than harm, communism in the 20th century killed integer multiples more people than live in Burkina Faso, and that's on the low end of the estimate.
No, he would pretend that they don't count as Real Communism(tm), because reasons, and that therefore they are Capitalist.
Which is what he already does.
I'll try and find a tim pool video, I forgot about the seitch sourcing requirements.
I just finished my bingo sheet, thank you very much for your service, truly braver than the troops.
SergeantBrother
Notorious Member
Do we really live under a system of global capitalism? Is capitalism to be given the blame and/or the credit for what happens in every nation around the world even in nations where capitalism isn't fully practiced? Well, for the sake of argument, let's say yes, that capitalism is responsible for the world.
Let's see what the UN has to say about world poverty.
That is a fairly rapid decline in world poverty. Capitalism didn't create poverty, it has always been around, but if we are to say that capitalism is responsible for the state of the modern world, then capitalism seems to be doing a reasonably good job of improving things. Not perfect, obviously, but communist nations have a hard enough time keeping their own citizens from starving, much less uplifting all the other nations of the world.
Let's see what the UN has to say about world poverty.
That is a fairly rapid decline in world poverty. Capitalism didn't create poverty, it has always been around, but if we are to say that capitalism is responsible for the state of the modern world, then capitalism seems to be doing a reasonably good job of improving things. Not perfect, obviously, but communist nations have a hard enough time keeping their own citizens from starving, much less uplifting all the other nations of the world.
The vast majority of that is China, hell the last time I looked it up the numbers minus China got worse in absolute terms.
But then again china is schrodinger's communist, communist when the bad things happen and capitalist when the good things happen
SergeantBrother
Notorious Member
Is the vast majority of that China? I'm not sure if that is true, but I'll agree that China is a major part of that.
Here's a site with some information and a graph.
This article is from 2018, so let's assume that anything on this graph from after 2015 or so is a prediction. As you say, much of the decline in the poor is in Eastern Asia, which is largely China. We also see a lesser but noticeable decline in poverty in South Asia, which is mostly India. The problem spot is still Africa, but keep in mind this graph is in millions of poor people and the population of Africa has been skyrocketing.
But we're talking about China, so you claim that China is responsible for the reduction in global poverty. Obviously, not because it's helping Africa but because it is raising its own people out of poverty. I will also concede that China isn't a fully communist nation, it has aspects of communism and aspects of capitalism, and as my wife says, it is fascist in a lot of ways too.
My rhetorical question is this, if China (a country whose polices are somewhere in between capitalism and communism) has been responsible for the decreasing poverty of the last 30-40 years, what has China been doing to create this change. Has China moved in the direction to become more fully communist or has it been moderating it's socialism with increasing amounts of capitalism and business? It has certainly been the latter.