My Thing on Transgenderism hate me if you want.

[Deleted member]

You say define the current trans sexual definition as "a new category of transgender" which makes me think you agree to some extent that what we are dealing with now is not what the ancients were trying to describe. I think where we differ is that you are defining this as an evolution of trans identity whereas I am classifying it as something else entirely. I don't want to put words in your mouth but let me know if that sounds like how you see it too.

I'm saying there's a distinction between biologically mediated primary transsexualism (in the 1890s - 2000s sense) and transgenderism, which arose as a cultural marxist political movement out of advocacy by the so-called "secondary transsexuals" who could be treated successfully without transitioning and who did not like this fact. I am linking proper or primary transsexualism as probably something that was associated with historical gender variant roles, and certainly was, for example, in India with the Hijra and Thailand with the Kathoey, both examples of which further reinforce the idea that, for the sake of parsimony, a western cultural expression of the same biophysical manifestation did exist historically.

 

[ATP]

the thing for me on sex in general, is that sex/gender is often determined by chromosomes either XX or XY, in order for true transgenderism to occur, one would have to manipulate their bodies on a chromosomal level, and considering that Genetic thearpy and manipulation is still a very new and controversial science, we are nowhere near technologically capable of such fits, even if and when we do get to that level of technology, it's going to come with it's own slew of physical and social problems. We're still struggling with organ transplants right now.

Styx is more libral on this than I am, but he nails the biology part.

Yes, leftist are fighting biology.Do not be suprised - their predecessors,soviets,succesfully turned living Aral sea into few dead lakes.They would fail eventually, too - but i hope,that this time there would be less victims.

 

[Doomsought]

We already know that in the womb, there are several developmental phases. The sex of the baby is determined very on in development by the hormone balances.

However, the brain developers in much later stages of the babies fetal development.

The current theory is that early on in the development, the baby receives male/female hormones that develop their body; then in later development, something gets fucked up and instead of receiving male/female hormones the baby receives female/male hormones.

This causes a baby to physically develop as a male/female, but psychologically their brain develops female/male structures that are likely inclined towards female/male behaviors.

Its a bit more complicated than that. There are also genes that determine how sensitive various part of your body are to various hormones. A few of these genes get damaged, you can have some odd behaviors. The XY female is an example of that. Its the result of entropy breaking things.

That is why I have a purpose clause in my definition of male and female. All these biological processes have a purpose. Only when you acknowledge that purpose can you identify when they are broken or not.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Am I the only one to notice that the majority of trans people are highschool to early college age white men?

 

[LordsFire]

Am I the only one to notice that the majority of trans people are highschool to early college age white men?

Are they? Or are those just the ones getting into publicity a lot?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Are they? Or are those just the ones getting into publicity a lot?

that's possible. Either way, it's disproportionate. wonder if transracial will be a thing next.

 

[ATP]

that's possible. Either way, it's disproportionate. wonder if transracial will be a thing next.

There is cruel joke about Michael Jackson,that he is first black man who died as white woman.

 

[ParadiseLost]

There is cruel joke about Michael Jackson,that he is first black man who died as white woman.

Michael Jackson wasn't really transracial though; he just had a skin condition that caused him to lose melanin as he aged.

 

[Cherico]

Am I the only one to notice that the majority of trans people are highschool to early college age white men?

there are transmen and for awhile they were lionized and then they started to talk about their experiences and how being a man is actually a lot more difficult then being a woman. That's when a lot of activists started to look the other way and pretend their less of a thing.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

there are transmen and for awhile they were lionized and then they started to talk about their experiences and how being a man is actually a lot more difficult then being a woman. That's when a lot of activists started to look the other way and pretend their less of a thing.

I think there was once a Lesbian lady whom while not making the transition, shared her experience of how she found men had it harder and was getting pretty depressed after awhile, she came back with a renewed respect for dudes

There was also an FTM who found that her regular female friends found her somewhat more off putting, male hormones increase stuff like aggression and there were realizations regarding how different bodies would result in extra behavioral changes

 

[Yinko]

Michael Jackson wasn't really transracial though; he just had a skin condition that caused him to lose melanin as he aged.

Wow! I thought you were joking or something.

Vitiligo - Wikipedia

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[KilroywasNOTHere]

Wow! I thought you were joking or something.

Vitiligo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

yeah it's a thing.

 

[ParadiseLost]

how being a man is actually a lot more difficult then being a woman.

The reality of course is that difficulty in life is dependent much more upon intelligence and attractiveness.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The reality of course is that difficulty in life is dependent much more upon intelligence and attractiveness.

There maybe extra societal expectations from men, they’re supposed to be the ones doing the heavy lifting, manual labor, facing danger and being public faces for leadership

 

[ParadiseLost]

There maybe extra societal expectations from men, they’re supposed to be the ones doing the heavy lifting, manual labor, facing danger and being public faces for leadership

Those are mostly modern ideas, though. Before the modern age in America women doing factory work was the norm. (And if you're going to say its easy just cause woman were usually making clothes, I'd like to see you regularly work 12-14 hour shifts).

And ugly men are in many cases seen better than ugly women in society. Additionally fat men are seen as better than fat women.

Also, women are generally required to dress better than men (though this isn't universally true). Women are also expected to wear makeup in society in some situations, which is another hassle.

Women also have the difficulty of childbirth, which is not easy, to say the least. Remember the joke by Robin Williams that pregnancy feels like your balls getting dragged up over your forehead, forcefully.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Those are mostly modern ideas, though. Before the modern age in America women doing factory work was the norm. (And if you're going to say its easy just cause woman were usually making clothes, I'd like to see you regularly work 12-14 hour shifts).

And ugly men are in many cases seen better than ugly women in society. Additionally fat men are seen as better than fat women.

Also, women are generally required to dress better than men (though this isn't universally true). Women are also expected to wear makeup in society in some situations, which is another hassle.

Women also have the difficulty of childbirth, which is not easy, to say the least. Remember the joke by Robin Williams that pregnancy feels like your balls getting dragged up over your forehead, forcefully.

Okay, that said not sure what stuff men on average have worse than women, then

 

[ParadiseLost]

Okay, that said not sure what stuff men on average have worse than women, then

Men are generally expected to be more charismatic, aggressive, and forward then women, whether or not their personality warrants it.

Additionally due to most women being hypergamous, women generally expect their men to be more fit, intelligent, and wealthier than them.

Women also get significantly lower prison sentences across the board.

Honestly though, you could spend all day detailing ways women have it better than men and men have it better than women.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Men are generally expected to be more charismatic, aggressive, and forward then women, whether or not their personality warrants it.

Additionally due to most women being hypergamous, women generally expect their men to be more fit, intelligent, and wealthier than them.

Women also get significantly lower prison sentences across the board.

Honestly though, you could spend all day detailing ways women have it better than men and men have it better than women.

Doesn’t sound so much more different than the pre-industrial expectations

 

[ParadiseLost]

Doesn’t sound so much more different than the pre-industrial expectations

Oh, yeah. Hypergamy and how it affects male-female interactions is probably something hardwired into human biology.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Oh, yeah. Hypergamy and how it affects male-female interactions is probably something hardwired into human biology.

Human Biology, something that’s the root of many problems

Not that most people really like admitting that even a stone to bronze age civilization would have problems in terms of people being greedy, cowardly, lustful, jealous, murderous, fanatical and so on

Sooner we admit that we are slaves to our biological instincts, the sooner we stop trying to pretend to be higher than thou and start tempering it with reason....as best as we can followed up by making everybody a brain-in-a-jar