More evidence that women want to have their cake and to eat it too. Also, media pushing for men to be cucked

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A "shit test" is when a woman knowingly or unknowingly. Challenges a man by doing something that will{or should} rattle him. Bassically it's an "alphaness" test as your personality will dictate your response. There's a decent argument that feminism itself is a giant shit test for example. Unfortunately we western failed that tests quite hard.
Then again, men can fake being "alpha".

The idea is to prove you will stand for yourself. Not that you'll slap her and call her a cunt. A vicious violent reaction that is overblown makes you look both creepy and dangerous.

And also that you won't bend under criticism.

Thing is, women judge your response on how well you navigate the grey middle-overreact and they'll think your some sort of creepy rapist in the making, underreact and your a loser or most charitably a man who can't or won't respond forcefully when called for.

I've also observed women will ask questions or make statements, and expect you give a certain response, or kind of response. Give the wrong sort of response-and its clear to her you don't get the hint. And thus she treats the date or whatever as just a social engagement to endure.

Its pretty obvious in the latter case.
 
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Lanmandragon

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Then again, men can fake being "alpha".

The idea is to prove you will stand for yourself. Not that you'll slap her and call her a cunt. A vicious violent reaction that is overblown makes you look both creepy and dangerous.

And also that you won't bend under criticism.

Thing is, women judge your response on how well you navigate the grey middle-overreact and they'll think your some sort of creepy rapist in the making, underreact and your a loser or most charitably a man who can't or won't respond forcefully when called for.
Yep losing your temper and thus control is a sign of weakness. Being calm and collected is part of being strong.
 
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Yep losing your temper and thus control is a sign of weakness. Being calm and collected is part of being strong.
That's why guys that blow up at the slightest insult or smash glass and throw furniture around aren't appealing to women. To be sure, women are well aware that a provocation gone wrong can result in them being seriously injured or worse. But still a loser who takes the slightest criticism with rage and beats her face bloody, or the loser who just wilts and backtracks-to women their a sign of a man without that inner resolve. That sense of self respect and whole regard.

Unfortunate thing is, women are much better at reading signs than men are. If she says something that does actually make you curl your fists or hurt your feelings(men have them believe or not)-she will notice. A strong man is able to deal with that and maintain control. Not either melt down, or blow up.
 

CarlManvers2019

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That's why guys that blow up at the slightest insult or smash glass and throw furniture around aren't appealing to women. To be sure, women are well aware that a provocation gone wrong can result in them being seriously injured or worse. But still a loser who takes the slightest criticism with rage and beats her face bloody, or the loser who just wilts and backtracks-to women their a sign of a man without that inner resolve. That sense of self respect and whole regard.

You know what would be better?

Plain indifference

Say, “I’m leaving” or better yet, no dialogue at all and just leave and never respond to her again
 
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Women often rely on men being emotionally attached to them. Which they are. Especially in long term relationships. Being able to tell your girlfriend-"if I catch you cheating, I'm out no second chances" and follow up on it is a sign of strength.

I think its incumbent to remember men do have feelings and often are very much hurt and devastated when relationships end, or when their significant others cheat. It takes a man of strong resolve though to be able to walk away.

To say, "I won't be taken advantage of" and mean it.
 

Lanmandragon

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It’s almost funny, but I think these ladies are actually attracted to “toxic masculinity”
Indeed but that's because the only "masculinity". They are exposed to are "male feminists" who are generally hilariously un masculine.
You know, I think that manipulation, insults and other psychological tactics are as some guys on QQ once said

To be how females are more likely to bully someone
Yes this is evolution women evolved to fight socially.(shaming,shunning,things like that) Because they couldn't fight men physically but pushing him out of the tribe is tottally possible.
 
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One of the major problems with masculinity today is we live in a postindustrial extremely wealthy society. Where being uber masculine doesn't bring the rewards it used to, and not being masculine doesn't bring the penalties it used to.

You don't have to be the fastest, or the strongest, or even the smartest. So men are less masculine.

Though biology has not caught up to that. Female and male sexual drives and behaviors are very much as they were thousands of years ago. Even though as a society we don't need every man to be uber masculine. Because in ancient times-it wasn't just for the man's benefit it was for the whole society.

In today's world-where food can be ordered on demand, work is typing keys or pressing buttons, and actual violence is at all time lows(and what violence there is, is highly institutionalized and relegated to certain spheres). But our biology hasn't changed.

So we have a mismatch between innate biology and the current techo-economic state of our civilization.
 

LifeisTiresome

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Yes this is evolution women evolved to fight socially.(shaming,shunning,things like that) Because they couldn't fight men physically but pushing him out of the tribe is tottally possible.
And we come to the heart of current culture.

@CarlManvers2019

This is why I have said before that our society is gynocentric or matriarchal. Not patriarchal.

Shaming and shunning. Pushing the man out of the tribe for offending the female.

Does this ring any bells for you? Cancel culture. Circle of diversity:

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This is why I have said that feminism is the seed of all of this. Even fucking Queer theory comes from Feminism.
 

CarlManvers2019

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And we come to the heart of current culture.

@CarlManvers2019

This is why I have said before that our society is gynocentric or matriarchal. Not patriarchal.

Shaming and shunning. Pushing the man out of the tribe for offending the female.

Does this ring any bells for you? Cancel culture. Circle of diversity:

b7d09bb12vx21.png

Seen it

One of the major problems with masculinity today is we live in a postindustrial extremely wealthy society. Where being uber masculine doesn't bring the rewards it used to, and not being masculine doesn't bring the penalties it used to.

You don't have to be the fastest, or the strongest, or even the smartest. So men are less masculine.

Though biology has not caught up to that. Female and male sexual drives and behaviors are very much as they were thousands of years ago. Even though as a society we don't need every man to be uber masculine. Because in ancient times-it wasn't just for the man's benefit it was for the whole society.

In today's world-where food can be ordered on demand, work is typing keys or pressing buttons, and actual violence is at all time lows(and what violence there is, is highly institutionalized and relegated to certain spheres). But our biology hasn't changed.

So we have a mismatch between innate biology and the current techo-economic state of our civilization.

Thing is, I think civilization was already pretty "feminine" before, civilization as a whole specificaly

There's a problem when not every single male is a warrior or ready to do battle and instead depends on a single caste or organization to do fighting and/or defending

Violence is still there, but people go off to depend on only authorities who might not even really help out

The biggest deceptions of civilization are the following:
1) We are no longer animals
2) We are above violence or the need to be ready for it
3) Simply because it is law, people will follow

If sufficiently threatened and exposed to violence or the danger of it repeatedly, men may just use the new technologies that their distant primitive ancestors didn't have, in order to remind people that there's still a beast within

But even that beast can be tempered, when he says don't come any closer, you listen and de-escalate

Just because the world has advanced technologically, doesn't mean men don't need to defend themselves or to do what they can in order to survive. Problem is when they won't do that.
 

Lanmandragon

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Seen it



Thing is, I think civilization was already pretty "feminine" before, civilization as a whole specificaly

There's a problem when not every single male is a warrior or ready to do battle and instead depends on a single caste or organization to do fighting and/or defending

Violence is still there, but people go off to depend on only authorities who might not even really help out

The biggest deceptions of civilization are the following:
1) We are no longer animals
2) We are above violence or the need to be ready for it
3) Simply because it is law, people will follow

If sufficiently threatened and exposed to violence or the danger of it repeatedly, men may just use the new technologies that their distant primitive ancestors didn't have, in order to remind people that there's still a beast within

But even that beast can be tempered, when he says don't come any closer, you listen and de-escalate

Just because the world has advanced technologically, doesn't mean men don't need to defend themselves or to do what they can in order to survive. Problem is when they won't do that.
Strong men make good times good times make weak men weak men make bad times repeat. Civilization is pretty literally this process.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Strong men make good times good times make weak men weak men make bad times repeat. Civilization is pretty literally this process.

One solution? I think you need a sort of education for people to avoid falling for socialist insane idealism

Let them actually read Karl Marx only to see it deconstructed

Have them actually see what Ayn Rand or Jordan Peterson actually said for real

Lastly, have them learn actual economics & make them learn to fight but also gain a sort of discipline in order to control these new instincts
 

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I think that we have overanalyzed this phenomenon. Feminism and the welfare state has truly poisoned the well when it comes to relationships. It is now more profitable to be a single mother than to be a parent.

Yet, there is a simple solution to all this. All men have to do is take care of themselves and be selective with who they date. A man who is reasonably fit, has a calm temperament, and can support himself and others is a catch whether women know this intellectually or instinctively. Once this is achieved, a man can look for a proper mate, projecting this calm strength throughout the process.

If he is open about wanting a no-nonsense relationship that fulfills himself and his partner, the right women will flock to him. If he is clear from the get-go that he will not be bullied or manipulated, the snakes will slither away, leaving the trad-wives and the ones mostly in the middle, which is the majority. If a man simpers and begs, the woman will hold him in contempt and is more likely to bully him if not outright cheat on him. If a man is clear that he is comfortable leaving, then by the end of the courtship phase of the relationship, he has a loyal wife.

As much as I'm amused by @Cherico's artificial wombs idea, I feel that this is the right approach. Children need a mother and a father. We already know how fucked up children can be without a father. We don't want to see how fucked up they will be without a mother. I don't trust that sort of technology not be abused by the sort who would love nothing more than for the family to be obsolete.
 

Lanmandragon

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One solution? I think you need a sort of education for people to avoid falling for socialist insane idealism

Let them actually read Karl Marx only to see it deconstructed

Have them actually see what Ayn Rand or Jordan Peterson actually said for real

Lastly, have them learn actual economics & make them learn to fight but also gain a sort of discipline in order to control these new instincts
Say something like a set of cultural expectations?
 

CarlManvers2019

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Say something like a set of cultural expectations?

More of a constant acknowledgement of the needs of strength

Strength that comes in many forms: Ranging from knowledge, self-awareness, caution, patience, self control etc

One that is near-malleable as people need to remember things like how Conservatives like T&A too

Also, something to ween people off the addiction towards other people. Specifically addictions to ANY group approval.
 

Lanmandragon

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More of a constant acknowledgement of the needs of strength

Strength that comes in many forms: Ranging from knowledge, self-awareness, caution, patience, self control etc

One that is near-malleable as people need to remember things like how Conservatives like T&A too

Also, something to ween people off the addiction towards other people. Specifically addictions to ANY group approval.
We had that it's called culture. It's been systemically destroyed that's literally the whole point of the thread. Further there will always be group approval even hinter gathers have leaders.
 

CarlManvers2019

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We had that it's called culture. It's been systemically destroyed that's literally the whole point of the thread. Further there will always be group approval even hinter gathers have leaders.

Okay, but slightly more flexible or at least acknowledged to be flexible

I don’t think your Lefties want to acknowledge how more tolerant your Righties are in-terms of being LGBT or another religion or race or liking fanservice

Your Left made it seem like they were the cool kids who enjoyed stuff before they started lecturing people for liking that stuff
 

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