#MeToo and Cancel Culture: Friday is bring your own torches and pitchforks day!

[Sol Zagato]

So The Babylon Bee is fake news?

Sorry, you've gone too deep with your sarcasm. I can't tell what your intent is any more. Back it up a layer or two.

(To make it clear to others, the Bee is a parody news site right on the tin.)

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Sorry, you've gone too deep with your sarcasm. I can't tell what your intent is any more. Back it up a layer or two.

(To make it clear to others, the Bee is a parody news site right on the tin.)

Well, maybe I should tone it down, but I didn't think of it. I just thought of mocking Snopes and those other sources for their...silliness.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Justine Sacco was a PR manager, not a vice president.

Senior Director of Communications. my mistake. I mean your mistake.

Read my post again. I was responding specifically to the argument that people with more power suffer more consequences from false allegations. Also, this forum has barely been around for a month, "most wrong thing so far" isn't even a very high bar to cross.

How thoroughly did you read the article I linked?

I did read your post and didn't have to read the linked article because it was irrelevant to my point. And I even quoted the post you were replying to. Your attempts at strawmanning his argument are quite laughable. There was no clear implication of some sort of absolute measure of fame discussed as you strawmanned in your response. Perhaps you should actually re-read post #133 which you quoted in response to. You are the one who made the argument that 'more power suffer more consequences' as the main argument in Post #133. If you didn't think that was the main argument made in Post #133... then it appears your just shamefully engaging in strawmanning.

Sad.

Seriously... where did he make the fame argument that you are alluding to?

Better than name dropping someone on [a friendly to you ] twitter with zero evidence, decades later when they cannot possibly defend themselves without calling you a liar. [But that automatically makes them the bad guy] oh and all of this is coming from someone already known for shit stirring!

Also, your solution is to... deliberately invoke the mob? because police always bad? fuck that...

You clearly have never been accused of something you didnt do and it shows.

And you know what? If he did do it, Fuck him, but everything about the way she did it is why men are freaking out right now. If you have one iota of power, all it takes is one accusation and your life is over. This is not a good precedence and its going to set back relations for a while if they keep it up.

One iota of power does not equal... this entire posts main argument. And even if the 'life is over' was hyperbole (far less egregious then your strawmanning of course and far more recognizable as such) the fact that you admit it happens leads back to the original point of my post. Which is illustrating how laughably offbase your statement of how "horribly wrong" Gooseactuals post was considering you responded to only one sentence of it and de facto agreed with it (citing the example of SENIOR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR Justine Sacco and some YA writer rando).

Seek justice, avoid the police... go on Twitter. The best kind of investigative work is randomly crowd sourced by egregiously biased parties after all! The worst that can happen is cancel culture and outraged twitter mobs won't end your life.... well... probably.... just put you and your life through 'hyperbolic' hell for a couple months or years or decades... but don't worry your life won't be... over.

Unless you commit suicide...

 

[AndrewJTalon]

Here’s One Way to Stop Cancel Culture — Stop Canceling | National Review

Cancel culture requires two to tango. First, the media prints the smear, then the employer responds to the smear.

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Earlier today a Bloomberg reporter named Ben Penn published one of the more dishonest mainstream media attacks I’ve ever read. It was an extraordinary hit piece on a recent Trump Labor Department appointee named Leif Olson. To make a long story short, he took Facebook posts that Olson obviously intended as insults and mockery of the alt-right and then cast them as actually anti-Semitic. In doing so, he omitted a segment of the Facebook thread that made the sarcasm and mockery crystal clear. Olson’s targets were Paul Nehlen and Breitbart, not Jews.




To get a full sense of the sheer obvious bad faith of the attack on Olson, I’d urge you to read Michael Brendan Dougherty’s excellent piece on our home page.
All this would be bad enough, but it gets worse. Olson is now out of a job. After Penn’s inquiries, the Department of Labor accepted Olson’s resignation “effective immediately.” An unfair journalistic hit has now cost a capable attorney his job. It’s absurd. Cancel culture has reared its ugly head . . . again.
But wait. Why did he leave? Perhaps there are personal reasons for the resignation that aren’t apparent from any of the public reports. If that’s the case, then we should accept his decision and focus our attention on Penn’s terrible report. But if the Labor Department tossed him overboard on the basis of Penn’s report alone, well then that’s a different situation entirely. Penn has no power over the Labor Department. It could have easily stood by its man, and it would have had a legion of defenders — and not just conservatives.
For example, writing in Vox, Dylan Matthews said this:

You do not need a PhD in linguistics to correctly identify this as obvious sarcasm — another commenter on the thread praised the post’s “epic sarcasm.” Conservatives, especially ones of a neoconservative bent on foreign policy, have made sarcastic jokes like this about what they perceive as (and what sometimes, as in the case of Nehlen, is) anti-Semitic criticism of neoconservatism, a movement primarily founded by Jewish intellectuals.

Here was Jonathan Chait:
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You might say this instead shows Olson endorsing absurd anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. But the standpoint of the post is established from the start as pro-Ryan.

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I'm not endorsing Olson or his policies, and I'm sure he has all kinds of objectionable beliefs. But firing him as an anti-Semite over this post strikes me as terribly unfair.

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Within hours of his terrible report, Penn was on the defensive, not Olson. Yet Olson has no job, and Penn is still employed.




And that brings me to a fundamental reality of cancel culture — neither the media nor the online mob can actually “cancel” anyone. They can’t fire a single person. Cancel culture requires two to tango. First, the media prints the smear, then the employer responds to the smear. All too often the employer acts hastily, sometimes in response to a controversy that may well blow over in a matter of hours. There is no single answer to cancel culture, but here’s at least one thing that employers, schools, and government agencies should do: stop canceling. Push back when appropriate, let the controversy blow over, and move on with your life.


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Last month, I wrote an essay that generated a good bit of pushback calling for conservatives to show more courage in response to intolerance and public attacks. Regarding the Labor Department, I’d say that this case is a perfect example — except that standing by Olson actually required zero real courage at all. Assuming we know the relevant facts, it just required a few days of basic fortitude. The administration stood by other appointees in the face of far worse public campaigns and far more serious allegations. It’s mystifying.
The fight against cancel culture has two fronts. First, continue the campaign against those who publish dishonest hit pieces or try to destroy the public reputations of good men and women. Second, encourage those who hold the actual power in the situation to stay strong in the face of unfair attacks — even when those attacks contain explosive allegations. In fact, given the culture and incentives on Twitter (and the desperate desire for clicks), it may well be ultimately easier to defeat cancel culture by fortifying the relevant institutions — by depriving the attackers of the scalps they seek.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

well, at least some people are sane.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Why does Tim Pool always wear that beanie? And I think I remember a time where he didn’t wear glasses

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Why does Tim Pool always wear that beanie? And I think I remember a time where he didn’t wear glasses

I can remember that too. Maybe, it is because of a certain urban grunge look he wants?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I can remember that too. Maybe, it is because of a certain urban grunge look he wants?

Well, at least he’s not going hipster....those dudes have horrible fashion sense and I want to shave their dumb beards off

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Well, at least he’s not going hipster....those dudes have horrible fashion sense and I want to shave their dumb beards off

Their beards are essentially my laziness. So, yes, I agree.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Why does Tim Pool always wear that beanie? And I think I remember a time where he didn’t wear glasses

To hide his baldness?

 

[Arch Dornan]

So someone did something stupid again because they hate Nick and his GFM. Make a fake GFM.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

This reminds me, what happened to the thing with Waid and the guy who has kids that aren’t white and are partially foreign and yet he still loves and raises

 

[Arch Dornan]

This reminds me, what happened to the thing with Waid and the guy who has kids that aren’t white and are partially foreign and yet he still loves and raises

You just need to check his YouTube channel diversity and comics. He's doing ok. Critiquing comics, talking about his GFM projects etc.

Likely chance he'll eventually get the lawsuit to advance due to Waid's blatant mafia act by interfering with attempts to get Jawbreakers not published.

 

[Nitramy]

Likely chance he'll eventually get the lawsuit to advance due to Waid's blatant mafia act by interfering with attempts to get Jawbreakers not published.

This is what I don't get with the left. Cancelling something that goes against their narrative? If their ideology was so sound, they'd let this through and then laugh as it only gets profit from their equally-deranged alt-right privileged cishet white male scum audience.

Unless they really are that petty and insecure.

 

[Arch Dornan]

This is what I don't get with the left. Cancelling something that goes against their narrative? If their ideology was so sound, they'd let this through and then laugh as it only gets profit from their equally-deranged alt-right privileged cishet white male scum audience.

Unless they really are that petty and insecure.

I think what you said is quite likely they're really petty and insecure. They're just too bad at maintaining their top spot.

What Waid did was quite open.

 

[Nitramy]

I wouldn't be surprised if the left considered "be humble in victory and gracious in defeat" as "REEEEEE CISHET WHITE MALE CAPITALIST PATRIARCHAL SOCIAL NORMS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE", because one, they're stupid enough to think that being gracious is a capitulation and a loss of power; and two, because "being gracious invalidates my REAL SOVIET RAGE FEELINGS REEEEEEEEE".

Come to think of it, I think this is a good reason why a lot of young people are leftist. They want to extend their childhood not realizing that if you want to change the world... start with yourself.

 

[Comrade Clod]

I wouldn't be surprised if the left considered "be humble in victory and gracious in defeat" as "REEEEEE CISHET WHITE MALE CAPITALIST PATRIARCHAL SOCIAL NORMS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE", because one, they're stupid enough to think that being gracious is a capitulation and a loss of power; and two, because "being gracious invalidates my REAL SOVIET RAGE FEELINGS REEEEEEEEE".

Come to think of it, I think this is a good reason why a lot of young people are leftist. They want to extend their childhood not realizing that if you want to change the world... start with yourself.

If this is what you think we think, its no wonder the youth vote is overwhelmingly left.

 

[Cherico]

If this is what you think we think, its no wonder the youth vote is overwhelmingly left.

If you keep going after their movies, video games, and popular entertainment that they enjoy that's going to change real fast.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Alright, may as well go open up businesses like these in the USA, those non-STEM college students could use a job because there HAS to be a market flr this sort of product right?

Especially in out entertainment right? Wait, why are you guys not buying Kwanzer and Mark Waid’s new comic?

If you keep going after their movies, video games, and popular entertainment that they enjoy that's going to change real fast.

Dude, to quote guys on our sister forums, who probably consider us the illegitimate bastard brother, “SJW’s don’t exist and are just a right wing boogeyman”

Towards a New Nerd Culture – Honey Badger Brigade

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We lost this fight, of our own volition(or the choice of those among us who craved it) out of a desire for acceptance.

Plus, I’m sorta doubting how much “nerd culture” entertainment “young people”
actually consume on average

 

[Isem]

Dude, to quote guys on our sister forums, who probably consider us the illegitimate bastard brother, “SJW’s don’t exist and are just a right wing boogeyman”

Towards a New Nerd Culture – Honey Badger Brigade

honeybadgerbrigade.com

We lost this fight, of our own volition(or the choice of those among us who craved it) out of a desire for acceptance.

Plus, I’m sorta doubting how much “nerd culture” entertainment “young people”
actually consume on average

Don't bet on it. For all that journalists prattle on about how being woke is good, the results of what happens when companies do try to cater to the social justice the actual consumer base has consistently demonstrated that it really doesn't like it. And that's all that needs to be said.