#MeToo and Cancel Culture: Friday is bring your own torches and pitchforks day!

FriedCFour

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Fucking Zoe Quinn.



I don't know if the accusations aimed at him were true. He might have been guilty: might have been innocent.

He was, however, battling mental-illness/demons, and her bullshit caused an outrage mob to go after him, get him fired, et cetera.

Because of how petty and vindictive people are, he felt he couldn't return from this, innocent or not. He was tainted in their eyes, and it resulted in him being axed and his work cancelled.

Guy decided to kill himself.

I say again: fuck Zoe Quinn.

This is why you fucking handle shit via the law and not for public court of opinion wins when accusing people of a crime.
 

Arch Dornan

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Fucking Zoe Quinn.



I don't know if the accusations aimed at him were true. He might have been guilty: might have been innocent.

He was, however, battling mental-illness/demons, and her bullshit caused an outrage mob to go after him, get him fired, et cetera.

Because of how petty and vindictive people are, he felt he couldn't return from this, innocent or not. He was tainted in their eyes, and it resulted in him being axed and his work cancelled.

Guy decided to kill himself.

I say again: fuck Zoe Quinn.

Oh my God.

Nick was right. The process of this me too got someone to Minecraft themself. A fate Vic Mignogna avoided thanks to Nick.
 

Greengrass

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Fucking Zoe Quinn.



I don't know if the accusations aimed at him were true. He might have been guilty: might have been innocent.

He was, however, battling mental-illness/demons, and her bullshit caused an outrage mob to go after him, get him fired, et cetera.

Because of how petty and vindictive people are, he felt he couldn't return from this, innocent or not. He was tainted in their eyes, and it resulted in him being axed and his work cancelled.

Guy decided to kill himself.

I say again: fuck Zoe Quinn.

Maybe don't do the exact thing that his sister asked people not to do?
"And in case it's not fucking obvious, Alec *specifically said* he wished the best for Zoë and everyone else, so don’t use our grief as an excuse to harass people," she wrote. "Go outside, take care of someone, and work towards preventing these kinds of things in the first place."

And her full statement, so you don't have to watch a video.
“Alec Holowka, my brother and best friend, passed away this morning," Eileen Holowka wrote.

"Those who know me will know that I believe survivors and I have always done everything I can to support survivors, those suffering from mental illnesses, and those with chronic illnesses. Alec was a victim of abuse and he also spent a lifetime battling mood and personality disorders. I will not pretend that he was not also responsible for causing harm, but deep down he was a person who wanted only to offer people care and kindness. It took him a while to figure out how.

"Over the last few years, with therapy and medication, Alec became a new person - the same person he had always been but without any of the darkness. He was calm and happy, positive and loving. Obviously, change is a slow process and it wasn’t perfect but he was working towards rehabilitation and a better life.

"In the last few days, he was supported by many Manitoba crisis services, and I want to thank everyone there for their support. I want to thank Adam Saltsman for staying up late talking with us and reminding Alec that there was a future.

"My family has and always will be the most important thing to me. Please give us time to heal. We tried our best to support Alec, but in the end he had felt he had lost too much."
 

Arch Dornan

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Vic is a fairly solid guy. Alec seemed kind of unstable. I doubt Vic wouldve killed himself.
It's hard to say with these kind of things.

When we get tested with being labelled a sexual assaulter of not only women but also those underage the pressure maybe very hard to handle.

And Vic loved his fans thriving off of their support for his work. Should they turn their backs on him he won't be going into a good mental place.
 

FriedCFour

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It's hard to say with these kind of things.

When we get tested with being labelled a sexual assaulter of not only women but also those underage the pressure maybe very hard to handle.

And Vic loved his fans thriving off of their support for his work. Should they turn their backs on him he won't be going into a good mental place.
The fans were always with Vic though, he lost very little in fan support overall. What cons kept him he had massive lines to see him still. Alec on the other hand had a very leftwing, very invested in social justice fanbase. He probably lost nearly all of them from the accusations.

No one is harassing Zoe @Greengrass. We are calling her a bad person on a small internet forum, which isn't harassment but is true.
 

Arch Dornan

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The fans were always with Vic though, he lost very little in fan support overall. What cons kept him he had massive lines to see him still. Alec on the other hand had a very leftwing, very invested in social justice fanbase. He probably lost nearly all of them from the accusations.
Remembering back yes. It was denying Vic the cons from all the scheming that got him unhappy. His fans who truly met him and liked him wouldn't believe the accusations but would be unable to reach him if he gets separated.
 

Terthna

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This is why you fucking handle shit via the law and not for public court of opinion wins when accusing people of a crime.
Unfortunately, many abusers know they can get away with making false allegations these days, and even profit by doing so.



No one is harassing Zoe @Greengrass. We are calling her a bad person on a small internet forum, which isn't harassment but is true.
Don't you know that anything less that outright prostration before each and every self-proclaimed "victim" is harassment? She can't be a bad person, because she said that someone else is a bad person first; also she belongs to the elite class, and you don't, so know your place peasant.

In case anyone can't tell, I am absolutely done with people like Greengrass who perpetuate this cycle that enables abusers to claim victimhood, while the actual victims are treated like scum. If anything can be considered a condemnation of our culture in the here and now, it's the fact that this perversion of empathy and compassion has been allowed to take hold of it.
 

Jormungandr

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Maybe don't do the exact thing that his sister asked people not to do?


And her full statement, so you don't have to watch a video.
Harassing her would be going on her Twitter or other social-media and calling her a complete cunt. Or publicly grandstanding how much of a cunt she is by using the same dirty tactics that she and her ilk use.

Calling her a cunt on a small internet forum is not harassment: it's discussion (albeit crude). And although I understand why you think this would be in contrary to his sister's statement/wishes, it just makes you look like a person who wants to silence discussion about, well, this whole thing and how much of a cunt Zoe Quinn really is.
 

Arch Dornan

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Pretty sure the internet will say what it wants regardless of someone's wishes on the matter. Journalists though may dig even deeper to get the latest scoop and cause more grief.

As many including us who have been familar with Zoe Quinn's antics we would regard her negatively in any activity she involves herself in.
 

CarlManvers2019

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And the worst thing is, this whore won't feel one ounce of guilt. After all, he's "just a white cishet male", so he deserves to die. She should've offed herself, not him.

Careful, someone can take a screenshot, maybe take this out of context whilst going on about how great and victimised Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian are and then make some article on #GamerGate #GAMERSHATE!!!HATE!HATE!HATE! (FIGHT AGAINST THE HATE EVERYONE!!!)

Honestly, worst thing is, I can bet at most years from now she won't be legally or financially punished, it will just be another chapter in her life where she had the attention of the media. Then she'll have to deal with stuff like getting a steady source of income by having actual skills, and I doubt people like her can even make it in blue collar jobs.
 

Arch Dornan

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And the worst thing is, this whore won't feel one ounce of guilt. After all, he's "just a white cishet male", so he deserves to die. She should've offed herself, not him.
So what Sam Hyde said?
Careful, someone can take a screenshot, maybe take this out of context whilst going on about how great and victimised Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian are and then make some article on #GamerGate #GAMERSHATE!!!HATE!HATE!HATE! (FIGHT AGAINST THE HATE EVERYONE!!!)
Someone did write an article about the last part.
 
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Jormungandr

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Careful, someone can take a screenshot, maybe take this out of context whilst going on about how great and victimised Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian are and then make some article on #GamerGate #GAMERSHATE!!!HATE!HATE!HATE! (FIGHT AGAINST THE HATE EVERYONE!!!)

Honestly, worst thing is, I can bet at most years from now she won't be legally or financially punished, it will just be another chapter in her life where she had the attention of the media. Then she'll have to deal with stuff like getting a steady source of income by having actual skills, and I doubt people like her can even make it in blue collar jobs.
Incidentally, #metoo is a contributing cause [another being bullshit divorce laws and custody hearing biases] to a deterioration in overall men--women relations, thanks to its 'automatically believe the woman' culture spawned from it. Socially, it's also hardening a lot of men's attitudes to women as a whole -- but, of course these people are just called broadly brushed as 'incels' by the typical nutbar [such as ''Feminists'' and the amusing called 'Soy Boys'] on the Left.

Hell, #mgtow is starting to trend.

Men are actively not hiring women candidates [basically discounting them as soon as they see their name on a resume] for fear of false allegations down the line; they're refusing to even be in the same room as female employees now for fear of a dreaded HR summons for bullshit reasons; hell, even women bosses are refusing to hire women for fear of trouble.

Zoe Quinn? Yeah, she's gonna have trouble in the future when she can't play a professional victim anymore, her own reputation of being a cunt aside.
 
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Incidentally, #metoo is a contributing cause [another being bullshit divorce laws and custody hearing biases] to a deterioration in overall men--women relations, thanks to its 'automatically believe the woman' culture spawned from it. Socially, it's also hardening a lot of men's attitudes to women as a whole -- but, of course these people are just called broadly brushed as 'incels' by the typical nutbar [such as ''Feminists'' and the amusing called 'Soy Boys'] on the Left.

Hell, #mgtow is starting to trend.

Men are actively not hiring women candidates [basically discounting them as soon as they see their name on a resume] for fear of false allegations down the line; they're refusing to even be in the same room as female employees now for fear of a dreaded HR summons for bullshit reasons; hell, even women bosses are refusing to hire women for fear of trouble.

Zoe Quinn? Yeah, she's gonna have trouble in the future when she can't play a professional victim anymore, her own reputation of being a cunt aside.

I do think it may be a bit of a tempest in a teapot in the tech-oriented "progressive forward" industries though, which because of a natural tension between their progressive inclinations and their libertarian, hyper-masculine "bro culture" pretensions see these kinds of conflicts and swings. In traditional, conservative industries and places of employment, people noticed altogether very little of this. "transgender training" for us, for example, consisted of a single powerpoint slide being e-mailed to everyone and an e-mail acknowledgement back that you had read it. I suppose some people actually did.
 

Jormungandr

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I do think it may be a bit of a tempest in a teapot in the tech-oriented "progressive forward" industries though, which because of a natural tension between their progressive inclinations and their libertarian, hyper-masculine "bro culture" pretensions see these kinds of conflicts and swings. In traditional, conservative industries and places of employment, people noticed altogether very little of this. "transgender training" for us, for example, consisted of a single powerpoint slide being e-mailed to everyone and an e-mail acknowledgement back that you had read it. I suppose some people actually did.
It's a very vocal tempest though, and it's causing big waves/ripples. It's beginning to affect society in a broader way.

Out of curiosity, what did 'transgender training' contain? Just be polite and refer to them as their preferred pronouns and don't stare as they go into the male/female bathroom, or something?
 
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It's a very vocal tempest though, and it's causing big waves/ripples. It's beginning to affect society in a broader way.

Out of curiosity, what did 'transgender training' contain? Just be polite and refer to them as their preferred pronouns and don't stare as they go into the male/female bathroom, or something?

Oh, it's so sweet of you to assume I'm one of the conscientious people who actually read it rather than lie in an e-mail!

I don't really know, my apologies; it was in January of 2017 and I have completely forgotten now.
 

Lanmandragon

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I do think it may be a bit of a tempest in a teapot in the tech-oriented "progressive forward" industries though, which because of a natural tension between their progressive inclinations and their libertarian, hyper-masculine "bro culture" pretensions see these kinds of conflicts and swings. In traditional, conservative industries and places of employment, people noticed altogether very little of this. "transgender training" for us, for example, consisted of a single powerpoint slide being e-mailed to everyone and an e-mail acknowledgement back that you had read it. I suppose some people actually did.
It's certainly more prevalent now but broads faking sexual harrassment at work is hardly new.
 

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