#MeToo and Cancel Culture: Friday is bring your own torches and pitchforks day!

Hlaalu Agent

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The HRE states had provisions for judicial duels between married couples. The man was made to stand in a hole in the ground up to his armpits. He had a wooden club with a hook for grabbing her feet and she had a rock in a sock basically.

There is something inordinately funny about the whole thing to me. Possibly the absurdity of the whole thing.

Though I guess such things would even out the differences quite a bit. And might make the fight fair-ish. You know, I actually find bringing back dueling to be less barbaric than the way we have it now. Because, it isn't literal mob justice and virtual lynching.

Yeah, this is pretty much the easiest way to make a duel between man and woman fair.

Depends on the man and the woman. But exceptions can always be made.
 

Bear Ribs

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Normally the choice of weapons clause (The defender in such a situation gets to choose) is sufficient to level the playing field against professional duelists. There's a fairly famous duel between a master swordsman and pistoleer, Bernard Marlgny, and James Humble, a blacksmith over seven feet tall.

Over political differences (Both were political representatives at the time), Marlgny challenged Humble to a duel. Humble had no chance of winning against Marlgny with either sword or gun, and chose sledgehammers as the weapons, and as the venue, the nearby lake which was deeper than Marlgny's head (But not Humble's, Marlgny was 5'8" tall).

Of course the trick then is to manipulate the situation so that the other person has to challenge you rather than the reverse, so as to gain that advantage.
 

ATP

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Possibly. I might have been going too far in the first place, but traditional dueling was limited and did satisfy honour. And was controlled, it would definitely be an improvement over informal fighting, especially if it someone jumping another person. Though we ended dueling for a reason...but if we properly control it then it might just become a proper social tool. And with dueling, you also have to make sure that it is fair and doesn't incentivize professional duelers.

In free Poland before WW2 we have Boziewicz codex who regulated duels,even if formally they were illegal.It could be used again,after some modifications.
 

Navarro

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It's worth noting that:

A. Trial by combat was all but dead by 1300 (and de jure illegal in the HRE) after trial by jury began being introduced in the early 1200s, disappearing within only 80 years after an alternative became available (the very last trial by combat in France took place in 1386, but it was a very rare event by that time as demonstrated by all the spectators who showed up to gawk). Clearly it must have been unpopular if this new innovation took over across Europe on such a fast timescale by the standards of the time. It was also repeatedly condemned by the church during the medieval era.

B. Those with money (i.e. nobles) would often literally just hire champions to fight in their stead. So in practice it did nothing to "equalise" justice and prevent abuses by the rich.

So yet again, "Doc" doesn't know basic, easily-researchable facts about what he's spouting off about and talks nonsense. At least this time he didn't try and talk like a bad Ren Faire participant.
 
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Culsu

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Normally the choice of weapons clause (The defender in such a situation gets to choose) is sufficient to level the playing field against professional duelists. There's a fairly famous duel between a master swordsman and pistoleer, Bernard Marlgny, and James Humble, a blacksmith over seven feet tall.

Over political differences (Both were political representatives at the time), Marlgny challenged Humble to a duel. Humble had no chance of winning against Marlgny with either sword or gun, and chose sledgehammers as the weapons, and as the venue, the nearby lake which was deeper than Marlgny's head (But not Humble's, Marlgny was 5'8" tall).

Of course the trick then is to manipulate the situation so that the other person has to challenge you rather than the reverse, so as to gain that advantage.
I think the conclusion to the affair makes it an awesome story:
The Creole's friends urged him to stand on a box and run the risk of having his skull cracked by the huge blacksmith's hammer, but Marigny declared that it was impossible for him to fight a man with such a sense of humor. Instead he apologized to Humble, and the two became firm friends.
 

Husky_Khan

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Nate Silvester, a Bellevue, Idaho police officer, was fired for making a TikTok video that criticized LeBron James tweets that advocated letting cops watch Black girls stab each other to death.

Here's the SHOCKING video:


Traumatizing I Know...

 

Husky_Khan

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Another day, another celebrity apologizing for comments they made years and years ago... in this case some TikTok user made a compilation of Billie Eilish saying anti-Asian slurs and mocking Asian language vernacular... apparently from as early as when she was 13 or 14. The currently twenty year old and extremely 'woke' popstar of course apologized as soon as she could on Instagram Stories.
 

Husky_Khan

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Sadly it looks like Winston Marshall caved. He deleted all of his tweets, apologized and begged for forgiveness for his statements on Andy Ngo's book and is 'temporarily' leaving the band to educate himself or whatever.



An update... the old apology was removed and he posted that he is leaving the band permanently due to this controversy.


After an explanation of events including the original posting, why he felt compelled to make an apology and so forth, he stated why he actually wants to leave the band.

Winston Marshall said:
For me to speak about what I’ve learnt to be such a controversial issue will inevitably bring my bandmates more trouble. My love, loyalty and accountability to them cannot permit that. I could remain and continue to self-censor but it will erode my sense of integrity. Gnaw my conscience. I’ve already felt that beginning.

The only way forward for me is to leave the band. I hope in distancing myself from them I am able to speak my mind without them suffering the consequences. I leave with love in my heart and I wish those three boys nothing but the best. I have no doubt that their stars will shine long into the future. I will continue my work with Hong Kong Link Up and I look forward to new creative projects as well as speaking and writing on a variety of issues, challenging as they may be.

He wants to be able to speak his mind without his bandmates suffering the consequences.
 

Cherico

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Remember the woke crowd does not accept apologies they do not do forgiveness and no matter what you do they will come for you. When that happens do not apologize, instead put up both middle fingers and tell them to fuck off and then endure a couple months of pure hell.

Thing is after that you rebuild your life, you look for allies and you build up for the time when you take revenge.
 

Terthna

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An update... the old apology was removed and he posted that he is leaving the band permanently due to this controversy.


After an explanation of events including the original posting, why he felt compelled to make an apology and so forth, he stated why he actually wants to leave the band.



He wants to be able to speak his mind without his bandmates suffering the consequences.
Sounds like he doesn't understand that leaving in and of itself is going to cause suffering to his former bandmates, because not only is it not going to do anything to stop the abuse being hurled their way (as the regressive left never let go once they smell blood), I also doubt the band is going to stay together for long after losing one of their key members; especially over something like this.
 

Husky_Khan

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Apparently Chris Avellone, the writer of many a cherished RPG and video game, as well as Cas Anvar of The Expanse have been #metoo'ed as well. Now I've only taken a glimpse at the accusations leveled against them so I could have missed the really damning stuff, but the way it looks to me their crimes were: making unwanted advances, sending lewd text messages that weren't appreciated, and being boozed while trying to get naughty with equally boozed ladies. In short, they are guilty of being the same as 75% of all men on the planet, ever. Far as I can tell there were no cases of assault or worse, only cases of being horny while the other person did not reciprocate.
Ruh-Roh...




Seems like a big deal if you replace the game developer, Hardsuit, this late in development.

Chris Avellone waa already booted from the project back in June of 2020 for like spurious reasons regarding sexual misconduct and all of his contributions removed from the game apparently, then in August the lead narrative designer and a creative director were also booted from the project abruptly. Then that October another senior narrative designer left.

And now the developer, Hardsuit, is no longer developing the game at all. So it is unlikely to get a release anytime in the near future and certainly not in 2021.



Apparently there's allegations that occurred years ago and were motivated by a bad breakup that Chris Avellone had with a mutual friend of the two accusers.



And as a reminder of Games Journalism, Sophia Nartwitz has contrasted the numerous articles that came out in wake of the allegations against Chris Avellone to the coverage occurring now.



TLDR, here's what Chris believed was the cause of this entire ruining of his career and life:

Chris Avellone said:
As I said at the time of Karissa and Kelly’s accusations in 2020, their seeming motivation in attacking me was something I understood — they were still angry about my breakup with their friend Jackie many years ago. This wasn’t in doubt. It was referenced explicitly in their accusations.

This struck me as strange because it didn’t have anything directly to do with their stories on the surface, unless of course, it was the reason for their claims.

It seemed like they wanted “justice” for Jackie, even though Karissa had already gotten what she wanted from me years ago: to make me break up with Jackie. To be 100% clear, this isn’t what Jackie wanted, which makes the whole situation even more messed up, and the end result was it caused a lot of hurt feelings.

And insights on Cancel Culture:

Chris Avellone said:
This next bit might surprise you: I didn’t fight any of this. You can’t. Cancel culture being what it is, the companies can’t fight it either, or else they are attacked, too. Companies can’t even ask for time to “look into it” without coming across as not believing the accusations, as unfounded as they are, because even the hint of a delay or wanting to find out more will be judged and will get them canceled, too. And no one wants to get canceled, even if it means turning your back on someone else getting canceled, even someone you’d worked with in the trenches for years.

I understood all of this, tried to be gracious, and tried to not make it difficult for them. This is because I understood cancel culture, how it works, and the difficult situation that any show of hesitation would put these companies in. Many of the developers I worked with at these companies were friends and colleagues. I didn’t want to hurt them, nor did I want to hurt the projects I was once a part of.

How did the Games Press handle this? Terribly as per usual... Only one website offered any pushback, the rest either accepting her dictations of the story word for word and none of them bothering to fact check anything, merely re-reporting what others were told by the Accusers themselves.

Chris Avellone said:
The press didn’t check facts either, despite Karissa claiming their articles were further confirmation of her story. At some point, Karissa appeared to stop relying on her own words and kept pointing to companies, press, and others as validation, which wasn’t proof, they were just echoes of her own story and sometimes, echoes of the falsehoods she told. She even publicly stated that she essentially dictated her story to the journalists who interviewed her, criticizing Kotaku for being the only outlet that gave her any pushback.

I should point out that some of the press didn’t reach out to me at all before painting their own lurid interpretation of events with their own embellishments — Sean Murray of The Gamer, in particular. You can read it in his article, and you can see the unedited url that references it to this day.

To be clear, the game press don’t need to check the “facts” — all they need to do is report that someone said something or fall back on the word alleged, and it’s a story. And so they did, and the clicks started rolling in. As soon as the press “report” something like this, however, it carries the same validation as if it was researched and fact checked, which no press publication to my knowledge did. Either they didn’t take the time, or they may not have cared because it’s not really “on them” for the truth. All they have to do is report someone said something, which is technically the truth, but it’s far from the reality of what actually occurred.

A Lawsuit does seem to be in the works however...

 
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Terthna

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And another convention has preemptively banned TSR. This is getting kinda scary; I can't remember seeing anyone canceled this hard, this quickly, with this little justification before. This may be a sign that the regressive left are growing more bold; we're probably only a few years away from people being canceled at random without anyone even making an attempt to justify it anymore, that's how desperate they're becoming in their need to find the next target.
 

ATP

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And another convention has preemptively banned TSR. This is getting kinda scary; I can't remember seeing anyone canceled this hard, this quickly, with this little justification before. This may be a sign that the regressive left are growing more bold; we're probably only a few years away from people being canceled at random without anyone even making an attempt to justify it anymore, that's how desperate they're becoming in their need to find the next target.

Well,now they cast dice to check if they were banned for something leftist did,or not.
 

Cherico

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And the pressure continues to build.

The eventually backlash is going to be interesting.

Historically speaking, 11-8 more years until we get another larger, angier and just plain madder populist uprising which by the way will be the last chance at peaceful reform. If that fails there will be the mother of all crack downs by the left, including stacking the supreme court, open cheating and murder to maintain power.

Then after that we get 30 years or so of civilizational civil war....

So if the intiital backlash fails expect millions of people to die.
 

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