#MeToo and Cancel Culture: Friday is bring your own torches and pitchforks day!

[KilroywasNOTHere]

The West will collapse, and while the rest of the world will suffer for it, they'll survive, and just maybe will be the ones to rebuild it. Still, it's a sad fate for Western civilization, made even sadder when it could easily have been avoided, and the West deserved better than to burn out by its own success.

still for the sake of those last surviving remnants of western society, I hope something is created that is at least palatable. life should never be so harsh and feel like such a burden that death should feel like a sweet release.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

There's no last living remnants.

Western civilization has existed since the construction of the first pyramids, it ain't going anywhere. It was made stronger by the collapse of every single one of its major empires.

However, the purge it'll go through in order to course correct is going to be the ugliest in its history.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

There's no last living remnants.

Western civilization has existed since the construction of the first pyramids, it ain't going anywhere. It was made stronger by the collapse of every single one of its major empires.

However, the purge it'll go through in order to course correct is going to be the ugliest in its history.

So how do we survive it? or do we just drink and drink and drink some more and hope that kills us first?

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

So how do we survive it? or do we just drink and drink and drink some more and hope that kills us first?

You survive by being smart. You survive by not being an entitled child who just sits around whining that the world isn't fair, that you deserve special treatment simply because, and that your noisy and destructive tantrums somehow make you better than everyone else. You survive by realizing and accepting you aren't owed something by default, and you need to earn what you want in life.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

You survive by being smart. You survive by not being an entitled child who just sits around whining that the world isn't fair, that you deserve special treatment simply because, and that your noisy and destructive tantrums somehow make you better than everyone else. You survive by realizing and accepting you aren't owed something by default, and you need to earn what you want in life.

most conservatives are already like that though. How is it a purge?

 

[Cherico]

There's no last living remnants.

Western civilization has existed since the construction of the first pyramids, it ain't going anywhere. It was made stronger by the collapse of every single one of its major empires.

However, the purge it'll go through in order to course correct is going to be the ugliest in its history.

Going to agree with Watch dog here, the west as it is now is utterly fucking massive.

See that dark blue that's western civilization and the purple the only reason latin america isn't included in that is because of classicism. In other words their poor and the euroes don't want to accept that their part of the club. This is a civilization that is spread across four different continents, Its not going to die forever we might lose europe to the islamic civilization if the leadership goes full retard but other then that its going to survive.

There will however be a total shit show for quite awhile.

Honestly Orthadox civilization is in much worse shape because holy fuck did communism screw them and most of east asian civilization has its own problems. The islamic world keeps fucking pissing off every one around them. African civilization is in its newborn stage and is going through its teething issues.

Over all, the place to watch that up and comming in the long term is africa.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

most conservatives are already like that though. How is it a purge?

Most conservatives aren't actually like that...Most of those retards still think we can "tolerate away the problems of the alphabet soup" and no you can't, b's and G's aside anyway.

Going to agree with Watch dog here, the west as it is now is utterly fucking massive.

See that dark blue that's western civilization and the purple the only reason latin america isn't included in that is because of classicism. In other words their poor and the euroes don't want to accept that their part of the club. This is a civilization that is spread across four different continents, Its not going to die forever we might lose europe to the islamic civilization if the leadership goes full retard but other then that its going to survive.

There will however be a total shit show for quite awhile.

Honestly Orthadox civilization is in much worse shape because holy fuck did communism screw them and most of east asian civilization has its own problems. The islamic world keeps fucking pissing off every one around them. African civilization is in its newborn stage and is going through its teething issues.

Over all, the place to watch that up and comming in the long term is africa.

Frankly, anything not Chinese Or Indian is western civilization; even Islam wouldn't exist without Moses or Christ, and half their values are just bastardized Romano-Christian values, and their empires were forged by moving into Visigothic and Vandalic Kingdoms and copying their copy pasta of Roman infrastructure anyway.

Slavic Culture (lol!) and Japanese and Korean are also heavily Westernized to varying degrees...

The West ain't going nowhere; what we need to do is make sure America doesn't collapse the way both Romes did.

the Hindus and the Chinese were really the only peoples outside of the Pacific peoples and Native Americans that evolved in a vacuum first, and had strong foundations before Western influences came.

 

[DarthOne]

I think we can start by not allowing the American Shadow Empire to continue. Or become an actual Empire; well, more then it already is.

Think about it, there’s a reason why the USA has steadily gone downhill ever since the 60’s. It’s because we’ve been killing ourselves by sending so much overseas. Our money, our people goes to military adventures that only line the pockets of politicians or paying Danegeld to nations that hate us. Or organizations like the UN and NATO that are money sinks and allow the rest of the world to sink into decadence. Plus it allows for a easy form of distraction from all the issues at home.

 

[LordsFire]

I think we can start by not allowing the American Shadow Empire to continue. Or become an actual Empire; well, more then it already is.

Think about it, there’s a reason why the USA has steadily gone downhill ever since the 60’s. It’s because we’ve been killing ourselves by sending so much overseas. Our money, our people goes to military adventures that only line the pockets of politicians or paying Danegeld to nations that hate us. Or organizations like the UN and NATO that are money sinks and allow the rest of the world to sink into decadence. Plus it allows for a easy form of distraction from all the issues at home.

That's a symptom, not the cause.

The cause is cultural rot.

 

[Cherico]

I think we can start by not allowing the American Shadow Empire to continue. Or become an actual Empire; well, more then it already is.

Think about it, there’s a reason why the USA has steadily gone downhill ever since the 60’s. It’s because we’ve been killing ourselves by sending so much overseas. Our money, our people goes to military adventures that only line the pockets of politicians or paying Danegeld to nations that hate us. Or organizations like the UN and NATO that are money sinks and allow the rest of the world to sink into decadence. Plus it allows for a easy form of distraction from all the issues at home.

Same thing happened to the roman republic.

If it ends the same way well better us then Germany, China or Russia.

 

[Yinko]

The West will collapse, and while the rest of the world will suffer for it, they'll survive, and just maybe will be the ones to rebuild it.

Culturally, the West will collapse. Technologically everyone will, too much inter-dependence, no one comes close to self-sufficiency and too much knowledge of how to run things in an early-industrial setting have been lost to the information age. Yes, books do exist that lay out the process of survival from stone-age up to early industrial, but it's a far cry from how things were a hundred years ago, where basically every adult had some mechanical/agricultural/crafting skills That level of chaos might take down some other civilizations as well.

I'd bet more on a new, not currently existing, civilization rebuilding than any of the ones that exist at the moment. There is a model of civilizations as living organisms, with life cycles. The current West is the youngest civilization in the world, and is going through the maturation phase where it will crystalize into a more permanent state (nothing says that civilizations survive points of transition). According to this model, all the other existing civilizations are already crystalized and so don't have the impetus to take over. They would have to form a new civilization, with a new vitality in order to do that.

 

[LordsFire]

Culturally, the West will collapse. Technologically everyone will, too much inter-dependence, no one comes close to self-sufficiency and too much knowledge of how to run things in an early-industrial setting have been lost to the information age. Yes, books do exist that lay out the process of survival from stone-age up to early industrial, but it's a far cry from how things were a hundred years ago, where basically every adult had some mechanical/agricultural/crafting skills That level of chaos might take down some other civilizations as well.

I'd bet more on a new, not currently existing, civilization rebuilding than any of the ones that exist at the moment. There is a model of civilizations as living organisms, with life cycles. The current West is the youngest civilization in the world, and is going through the maturation phase where it will crystalize into a more permanent state (nothing says that civilizations survive points of transition). According to this model, all the other existing civilizations are already crystalized and so don't have the impetus to take over. They would have to form a new civilization, with a new vitality in order to do that.

I have to ask, what kind of place do you live in?

Because here in the US, there are a lot of people who could rebuild civilization from scratch.

Even ruling out the people who get 3d printers capable of making things like simple circuit boards, as well as lathes, CnC machines, etc, for the explicit purpose of being able to rebuild if things go to crap, every adult engineer I've known could rebuild a mid-20th industrial base with a starting point of a single lathe.

Such lathes aren't particularly hard to find, either. If your town has a generalized machine shop, a university with an engineering department, or even just a dedicated hobbyist, it'll have such a lathe. Gas-powered generators aren't exactly rare either, and making parts for a simple wood-fired turbine for electricity that can run your core 'rebuild the industrial base' machinery isn't that complex.

Heck, my own father has a history specifically working in machine design.

Further, a lot of the things you need to rebuild are some of the easiest 'scrap' to find. Cars for steel and aluminum, parts of cars, houses, and power lines for wiring. A lot of legacy equipment will work as soon as you have electricity for it; I have two different laptops from the 90's just sitting around because they still work so I don't see any reason to throw them out.

On top of all this, the sorts of people who tend to be this resourceful, experienced, and well-educated, tend to both be more conservative, as well as be armed and ready to fight to rebuild civilization.

Finally, the more 3D-printing spreads as an affordable hobby, the easier and easier rebuilding will be. Even if most people just go for the simple plastic/resin printers, more serious machines that can work with metals and circuits are also coming down in price and increasing in proliferation.

 

[Yinko]

Because here in the US, there are a lot of people who could rebuild civilization from scratch.

Everything you said is true, but it won't be enough. Enough to drag things out? Sure. But not enough in the end. Other cultures have had less to preserve, more evenly distributed knowledge base, shorter supply lines, and they still failed.

It's not enough to know how to restart civilization, you have to know how to do it with only the resources in your immediate vicinity, and there have to be enough people who can do that that it doesn't become isolated pockets of people just getting by, and then it has to last more than a generation without conflict, starvation and disease wiping out those pockets of remaining skill and knowledge.

Even if you get all that, the question is whether or not the civilization will survive, not whether or not the technology will survive. A civilization is essentially a common set of fundamental assumptions, periods of uncertainty often bring these assumptions into question, and those same periods usually precede a civilizational crisis. If people come to the conclusion that the assumptions led to the crisis, those assumptions get changed. The civilization gets replaced and a new one born in the process.

 

[King Arts]

To be fair I come from a place that's on the other extreme. It was and remains uber common for five to ten year age gaps to be deemed healthy. It's fucking vile..

No 14 year old should be shacking up with a 24 year old but it happens across the entirety of South America and its wild.

So I do get their prudishness to an extent. There's a seven year age gap between me and the missus. Mind ye we met when she was 22 but still.

And I'll be honest, I think we clicked so well because she had a very different upbringing than most younger millennials did. Otherwise I probably would never have bothered.

Once you get to a certain age listening to someone under 25 is like talking to someone from Mars. 🤣

There are multiple levels in why it's wrong, but of course gringos don't do anything that isn't extreme. Thats why they basically became Rome 2.0 so I'm not surprised they wig out of this stuff and take it to heightened proportions.



Government can stream it? Recoop the losses in superchats and ads?

"The hanging of this pedophile is brought to you BY YOUR BOY! RAID SHADOW LENGENDS!"

You can say 14 is too young and that is fair. But what is wrong with a 10 year or more age gap? Like a 20 year old with a 30 or even 40 year old? You are acting like a stereotypical sjw feminist here. Is being friends with your spouse and having common interests great yes. But if that was all then you could just marry a man lol because men are more likely to have common interest. People of diffrent ages may or may not have the same interests what matters is that they are consenting adults. As long as it's a stable marriage even if there is the dreaded "imbalance of power" it's eye roll worthy as long as they are adults there does not need to be equality. Honestly as long as the couple shares the same values that's more important in it being successful.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

You can say 14 is too young and that is fair. But what is wrong with a 10 year or more age gap? Like a 20 year old with a 30 or even 40 year old? You are acting like a stereotypical sjw feminist here. Is being friends with your spouse and having common interests great yes. But if that was all then you could just marry a man lol because men are more likely to have common interest. People of diffrent ages may or may not have the same interests what matters is that they are consenting adults. As long as it's a stable marriage even if there is the dreaded "imbalance of power" it's eye roll worthy as long as they are adults there does not need to be equality. Honestly as long as the couple shares the same values that's more important in it being successful.

Nah none of that imbalance of power bullshit.

I don't care about age gaps between adults, only between a teen or preteen and an adult.

Though for the life of me I dunno what a 60 year old and a 20 year old would have in common but that's between them.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Nah none of that imbalance of power bullshit.

I don't care about age gaps between adults, only between a teen or preteen and an adult.

Though for the life of me I dunno what a 60 year old and a 20 year old would have in common but that's between them.

One has stamina, and the other has money

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Nah none of that imbalance of power bullshit.

I don't care about age gaps between adults, only between a teen or preteen and an adult.

Though for the life of me I dunno what a 60 year old and a 20 year old would have in common but that's between them.

to be frank it probably depends on the 60 year old. granted this isin't 60, I've seen some 50 year olds who have more energy, better skin and are in better shape than others in thier 20s. if you you don't mind adopting as opposed to having birth kids I can see it working out for some. BUT they are probably an exception not a rule.

 

[King Arts]

Nah none of that imbalance of power bullshit.

I don't care about age gaps between adults, only between a teen or preteen and an adult.

Though for the life of me I dunno what a 60 year old and a 20 year old would have in common but that's between them.

Preteen? Yeah that shit should be illegal regardless of the age, their bodies literally aren’t ready for relationships if they tried it could cause major issues with pregnancy and loss of fertility yeah no there are very good reasons to ban that shit.

Well I do t know for women since women aren’t attracted to the same things men are. But as a man you are attracted to beauty and fertility and young women have that as when women hit roughly 40 a little earlier a little later they stop being able to have kids while men can make them till they die. But as for common interests that depends on individual people they might like the same type of media regardless of age.

to be frank it probably depends on the 60 year old. granted this isin't 60, I've seen some 50 year olds who have more energy, better skin and are in better shape than others in thier 20s. if you you don't mind adopting as opposed to having birth kids I can see it working out for some. BUT they are probably an exception not a rule.

Yeah you are right about the only problem I can think of now is that one is almost certainly going to die far sooner than the other leaving them as a widow. But as having kids if the man is the older one they don’t need to adopt since men never stop producing sperm. Though after doing some math if you are 60 you better damn well prepare your wife for your death because if you die at 70 her being a widow at 30 with at least one 10 year old child will be tough so make sure you have resources they can inherit to support themselves.
My primary concern with what people do with sex is how it impacts the creation of stable families and the raising of well adjusted children who aren’t basket cases or criminals.

 

[LordsFire]

Everything you said is true, but it won't be enough. Enough to drag things out? Sure. But not enough in the end. Other cultures have had less to preserve, more evenly distributed knowledge base, shorter supply lines, and they still failed.

It's not enough to know how to restart civilization, you have to know how to do it with only the resources in your immediate vicinity, and there have to be enough people who can do that that it doesn't become isolated pockets of people just getting by, and then it has to last more than a generation without conflict, starvation and disease wiping out those pockets of remaining skill and knowledge.

Even if you get all that, the question is whether or not the civilization will survive, not whether or not the technology will survive. A civilization is essentially a common set of fundamental assumptions, periods of uncertainty often bring these assumptions into question, and those same periods usually precede a civilizational crisis. If people come to the conclusion that the assumptions led to the crisis, those assumptions get changed. The civilization gets replaced and a new one born in the process.

The root problem is cultural rot. When a society abandons what built it, especially when they abandon it for the explicit purpose of rejecting God and trying to make gods out of themselves, it's going to collapse.

If you have a catastrophe and the predominant survivors are those who still hold to the values that built the society, it can recover. If the predominant survivors are megalomaniacs and bloody socialists, the catastrophe is just the beginning.

 

[Cherico]

The root problem is cultural rot. When a society abandons what built it, especially when they abandon it for the explicit purpose of rejecting God and trying to make gods out of themselves, it's going to collapse.

If you have a catastrophe and the predominant survivors are those who still hold to the values that built the society, it can recover. If the predominant survivors are megalomaniacs and bloody socialists, the catastrophe is just the beginning.

I actually think the west is due for a religious revival in a couple decades.