Culture Marxists Coming to Ruin Tolkien

[Aldarion]

https://fantasyview.wordpress.com/2021/07/04/marxists-coming-to-ruin-tolkien/

Tolkien’s work had remained free of Marxist infiltration for a remarkably long time, remaining true to its origins and purpose – all due to the steadfast gatekeeping by the Tolkien estate. It had turned down mountains of cash in order to keep the setting true. But this may not last.

Marxists are coming for Tolkien – trying either to decry him as a Nazi or to claim that he was always a Woke Marxist. Lord of the Rings fan site, One Ring, described Tolkien as woke in a Twitter thread. The One Ring Twitter condemned homophobic comments in a series of tweets, culminating in the comment that “If you still think Ian McKellen is the worst & that Catholic Tolkien would have never approved, I beg you to read more of Tolkien’s books and letters. He was woke, stood against hate, embraced all cultures in life & fiction. It’s why his books are translated in every language.”, and “If you think Ian McKellen gets a pass but whatever Amazon is doing is a disgrace to Tolkien, please think more on your personal bias before tweeting. Our block button is very active. And if you RT/enable toxic voices in the name of free speech, you not love Tolkien.”.

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[Simonbob]

I've loved Tolkien's works since I was a child.

This is such a desecration. I expect these monsters have never even read his masterworks.



Scum.

 

[Aldarion]

I've loved Tolkien's works since I was a child.

This is such a desecration. I expect these monsters have never even read his masterworks.



Scum.

Most of them have not, I expect. But if they had, it would have made it even worse. You see, Tolkien was a traditionalist, a monarchist and a right-wing anarchist. His worldview is fundamentally opposed to that of modern-day Marxists. He advocated traditionalist, small-government monarchy; Left advocates tyranny of the majority through massive government. Tolkien advocated simple life and minimalist governmental intervention; Left advocates the merging of the government and the society so that the government encompasses the entirety of the society. Tolkien advocated regulation of life through tradition; Left advocates destruction of tradition and regulation through laws.

Once you understand his views and what his works actually propose as a good government, fact that he is seen as an anathema by the Left is not exactly surprising.

 

[ATP]

Marxists Coming to Ruin Tolkien

Tolkien’s work had remained free of Marxist infiltration for a remarkably long time, remaining true to its origins and purpose – all due to the steadfast gatekeeping by the Tolkien estate. It…

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Tolkien’s work had remained free of Marxist infiltration for a remarkably long time, remaining true to its origins and purpose – all due to the steadfast gatekeeping by the Tolkien estate. It had turned down mountains of cash in order to keep the setting true. But this may not last.

Marxists are coming for Tolkien – trying either to decry him as a Nazi or to claim that he was always a Woke Marxist. Lord of the Rings fan site, One Ring, described Tolkien as woke in a Twitter thread. The One Ring Twitter condemned homophobic comments in a series of tweets, culminating in the comment that “If you still think Ian McKellen is the worst & that Catholic Tolkien would have never approved, I beg you to read more of Tolkien’s books and letters. He was woke, stood against hate, embraced all cultures in life & fiction. It’s why his books are translated in every language.”, and “If you think Ian McKellen gets a pass but whatever Amazon is doing is a disgrace to Tolkien, please think more on your personal bias before tweeting. Our block button is very active. And if you RT/enable toxic voices in the name of free speech, you not love Tolkien.”.

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So,they basically say Tolkien was marxist,and if you deny that we would ban you.Nothing new.In commie times in Poland some writers were declared as fascist,but others,like Mickiewicz/polish poet/ - they were always working for worker class.
Just like first bulb was made by russian Iwanow,not Edison.

There is one good thing - their states would not stand.China could,Russia could,muslim certainly could - but not woke states.
They could destroy our cyvilisation,but they do not replace it.

 

[Circle of Willis]

Well if it's any consolation, from what I've seen even on Reddit, nobody seems to actually think Amazon's LOTR will be a mega-hit right out the gate; the most optimistic predictions amount to 'just wait and see, maybe it'll be good' and they're outnumbered by the people who make no secret of how annoyed they are at the news of intimacy coordinators or Bezos saying he wants this to be his Game of Thrones (which isn't something I've ever seen anyone who doesn't write articles for a big press outlet say is a good idea, even before GoT's disastrous finish I've never come across anyone saying LOTR would be improved if it were more like GoT). At least this is the impression I've gotten from the Lord of the Rings subs, r/tolkienfans and r/freefolk.

Plus given how curmudgeonly the LOTR fandom gets over the liberties Peter Jackson took with his movies, and especially how pissed they still are over The Hobbit trilogy (seriously, forums as old as TheOneRing.com - no relation to the woke and movie-based TheOneRing.net - and the Barrow-downs zealously enforce a divide of discussion between subforums for the books & movies), I have to believe that a downright apoplectic reaction to a woke, diverse TV show which straight up craps over Tolkien's vision and gloats about it is far, FAR likelier than meek acceptance, much less any kind of approval.

With any luck, Amazon's LOTR will turn out to be a very expensive flop and bring the woke efforts to subvert & overrun Tolkien's Legendarium crashing right down with it.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

anyone who has ever read the scouring of the shire knows exactly what Tolkien thinks of marxism.

 

[ParadiseLost]

I fully expect the Lord of the Rings TV show to be a nigh unwatchable disaster to pretty much everyone who has ever actually read the Lord of the Rings, and a good deal of the people who watch the TV show.

I think the people making the Lord of the Rings are under the mistaken impression that it was popular because of boobs and blood, and not because of good writing and and even better actors.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

anyone who has ever read the scouring of the shire knows exactly what Tolkien thinks of marxism.

I fail to see how the Shire under Saruman was in any way Marxist. . .

 

[Aldarion]

I fail to see how the Shire under Saruman was in any way Marxist. . .

Read the descriptions... I pulled the quotes from here:

The Scouring of the Shire - The Fandomentals

“The Scouring of the Shire” is perhaps the most distinct chapter of The Lord of the Rings. The epic quite suddenly becomes local; the mythic becomes petty.

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“We grows a lot of food, but we don’t rightly know what becomes of it. It’s all these ‘gatherers’ and ‘sharers,’ I reckon, going round counting and measuring and taking off to storage. They do more gathering than sharing and we never see most of the stuff again.”

It was a bare and ugly place, with a mean little grate that would not allow a good fire. In the upper rooms were little rows of hard beds, and on every wall was a notice and a list of Rules. Pippin tore them down. There was no beer and very little food, but with what the travelers brought and shared out they all made a fair little meal; and Pippin broke Rule 4 by putting most of the next day’s allowance of wood on the fire.

“What can I do? You know how I went for a Sheriff seven year ago, before any of this began. Gave me a chance of walking around the country and seeing folk, and hearing the news, and knowing where the good beer was. But now it’s different.”
“But you can give it up, stop Sheriffing, if it has stopped being a respectable job,” said Sam.
“We’re not allowed to,” said Robin.
“If I hear ‘not allowed’ much oftener,” said Sam, “I’m going to get angry.”
“Can’t say I’d be sorry to see it,” said Robin, lowering his voice. “If we all got angry together something might be done.”

They saw the new mill in all its frowning and dirty ugliness: a great brick building straddling the stream, which it fouled with a steaming and stinking outflow. All along the Bywater Road every tree had been felled… All the chestnuts were gone. The banks and hedgerows were broken. Great wagons were standing in disorder in a field beaten bare of grass. Bagshot Row was a yawning sand and gravel quarry. Bag End up beyond could not be seen for a clutter of large huts.

All of this literally screams "Communism".

 

[ShadowArxxy]

That doesn't sound like Communism so much as plain old tyranny, and we are talking *Saruman* here -- as in, literally a fallen angel seeking malicious revenge.

 

[Aldarion]

That doesn't sound like Communism so much as plain old tyranny, and we are talking *Saruman* here -- as in, literally a fallen angel seeking malicious revenge.

Read a bit closer. Sharkey's government is micromanaging resources and everything is centralized under his rule. It is also destroying the environment for the sake of forced industrialization, and leading redistributionist policies ("gathering and sharing") justified by the "fair distribution" which means that Sharkey's lackeys get everything and everybody else nothing. Consequence of this is the lack of food and basic provisions for the populace at large, and access and utilization of what few resources are available is heavily regulated by the government.

Literally a Communist society.

 

[Simonbob]

Literally a Communist society.

There's a reason nobody who understands Communism wants it, unless they're power hungry idiots.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Read a bit closer. Sharkey's government is micromanaging resources and everything is centralized under his rule. It is also destroying the environment for the sake of forced industrialization, and leading redistributionist policies ("gathering and sharing") justified by the "fair distribution" which means that Sharkey's lackeys get everything and everybody else nothing. Consequence of this is the lack of food and basic provisions for the populace at large, and access and utilization of what few resources are available is heavily regulated by the government.

Literally a Communist society.

Not to mention deliberate and spiteful destruction of beloved symbols like the Party Tree.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Communism aside, Saruman was such a spiteful sore loser for what he did to the Shire. I mean, what did he think was going to happen in the end? Either the Hobbits eventually can't stand it anymore, or Gandalf comes knocking, neither of which he can really stop.

What was the point?

 

[Aldarion]

Communism aside, Saruman was such a spiteful sore loser for what he did to the Shire. I mean, what did he think was going to happen in the end? Either the Hobbits eventually can't stand it anymore, or Gandalf comes knocking, neither of which he can really stop.

What was the point?

Nihilistic destruction. Saruman had, in the end, fallen even lower than Sauron. If you look at Tolkien's writings, Sauron had not fallen as low as Morgoth. Morgoth had a positive purpose in the beginning, even though it was evil - moulding Arda - but eventually abandoned it for sheer nihilistic destruction; he wanted to destroy Arda and render it into primordial chaos. Thus, he squandered his life force, turning Arda itself into his own Ring of Power. Sauron, being maia of Aule, never fully abandoned his nature: where Morgoth wanted to fully destroy Eru's work, Sauron wanted to order and organization. Where Morgoth wanted destruction of the Music, Sauron wanted homophony. As such, Ring of Power was a tool - of corruption, yes, but primarily of control. Saruman was, at first, much more similar to Sauron - to the point that everything he did was but a child's imitation of Sauron's own works. But once he lost that, once Gandalf broke his pride, he was rendered incapable of any higher purpose - all he wanted was revenge, to destroy everything his enemies possessed and valued. His pride caused him to lose his purpose and turn into Morgoth.

It is funny how Morgoth, Sauron and Saruman can basically represent different aspects of Progressivism or at least types of Progressives. Morgoth represents the type which flat-out hates the European, white civilization and wants its destruction. Sauron on the other hand represents the type which actually believes that Progressive ideas will bring about the paradise / utopia. Saruman, as noted, starts like Sauron, but turns into Morgoth.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Read a bit closer. Sharkey's government is micromanaging resources and everything is centralized under his rule.

And my argument is that Sharkey's rule wasn't meant to be a good-faith attempt at any sort of government; it was literally intended to destroy the Shire out of sheer spite, because Saruman no longer had the power to do so by direct means after he was cast down and stripped of his power as a wizard.

What was the point?

The sole and entire point of Saruman's actions in the Shire were to ruin the Shire *before* the Fellowship got back, although Saruman began spreading his influence there before his defeat.

 

[Simonbob]

And my argument is that Sharkey's rule wasn't meant to be a good-faith attempt at any sort of government; it was literally intended to destroy the Shire out of sheer spite, because Saruman no longer had the power to do so by direct means after he was cast down and stripped of his power as a wizard.

Sure.

Like Communism.


"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Winston Churchill

 

[Aldarion]

And my argument is that Sharkey's rule wasn't meant to be a good-faith attempt at any sort of government; it was literally intended to destroy the Shire out of sheer spite, because Saruman no longer had the power to do so by direct means after he was cast down and stripped of his power as a wizard.

You mean, just like Communism? Communism itself, as practiced, was never a good-faith attempt at anything; it was always based on lies, which may have been believed by the plebes, but were merely utilized by the leaders to control the people.

 

[ATP]

That doesn't sound like Communism so much as plain old tyranny, and we are talking *Saruman* here -- as in, literally a fallen angel seeking malicious revenge.

Old Tyranny would never destroy those who do not fight and gave money.Commies ? they genocided farmers in soviets,China and other countries except Poland.
Old tyranny would let people live their private lives,as long as they obey,commies made them abadonn religion,private business,and follow commie rituals.I am old enough to remember times when i must go to 1th May gatherings,otherwise parents would have problems.
Old Tyranny was paradise compared to all commie regimes,even in Poland.

Commies destroyed for destroing sake.Just like falled angel luciper,who was venerated by Marx.

 

[DarthOne]

Commies destroyed for destroing sake.Just like falled angel luciper,who was venerated by Marx.

Wait, seriously?