Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

FriedCFour

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Son I got to where I am in spite of society not because of it.
you’re alive because your parents didn’t abandon you or neglect you till you died. Somebody did something to keep you alive, even if it wasn’t them. And even if your life was shit because of how others treated you or “in spite of this” that’s hardly a good thing or even remotely proof that that now doesn’t matter, or it’s not important. Clearly it has a big impact on you even still, and you now hold a grudge because of what you perceive as it’s failings. The strong man works to do what he can to make it better, he doesn’t run away and hide from it.

It doesn't owe me anything and even if I did I would not trust it to pay up and if you have to rely on strangers to raise your kids that says an awful darn lot about you as a parent.
Oh yeah don’t let strangers raise your kids. But your family is still the building block of the nation, not the individual. Individuals can do very little on there own. You do things in conjunction with other people, you have a craving for community and for a relationship with others. You end up pretty messed up when people are isolated almost always. Very few people who took totally individual isolation were remotely healthy or well adjusted and never turned out to get better. Even Ted Kaczynski wanted to be a part of something and a movement, he pretended he was in a group rather than a lone individual, and his biggest demand was to get his manifesto published so it could have impact on others, and from prison he’s seemed pretty favorable on getting letters even then, and even bombing aside I can’t think of anything more isolating and individualistic than going and living in a shed out in the middle of nowhere for decades. I mean, if you didn’t care about any of this why do you like to post online and get peoples reactions and read text of what others have to say?
 
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you’re alive because your parents didn’t abandon you.

My parents are 2 people not 200+ million



Oh yeah don’t let strangers raise your kids. But your family is still the building block of the nation, not the individual. Individuals can do very little on there own. You do things in conjunction with other people, you have a craving for community and for a relationship with others. You end up pretty messed up when people are isolated almost always

You also end up with murder and genocide when a mob gets too big. People WILL advocate for all kinds of things out of some psudo since of purity and then whine and cry foul when those ostracized others inevitably punch back.
 

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Honestly a lot of what we're seeing today could have been avoidd had the US only managed to live up to its stated ideals better. A lot of the reason socialism has any kind of a draw to people is this promise of equality, and a way to punish people that they've seen as oppressing them. If minority groups had been treated more equally and more fairly all along, there goes a lot of the appeal right there. ;)
 

FriedCFour

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My parents are 2 people not 200+ million
yeah but that’s the basic building block of that grouping of 200+ million and is how each generation is created and raised.




You also end up with murder and genocide when a mob gets too big. People WILL advocate for all kinds of things out of some psudo since of purity and then whine and cry foul when those ostracized others inevitably punch back.
That’s retarded. Murder and genocide just happens, it has nothing to do with “a mob getting too big”
 

FriedCFour

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And I guess real collectivism hasn't been tried yet either... You know except all the time it has.
Yes that’s my point. By your definition it’s all collectivist, always has been, all humans are, and it’s not possible to avoid it. It’s grounded in human nature that we are social animals with inherent hierarchy, it’s just a question of what that hierarchy is and what that social structure is.
 
Yes that’s my point. By your definition it’s all collectivist, always has been, all humans are, and it’s not possible to avoid it. It’s grounded in human nature that we are social animals with inherent hierarchy, it’s just a question of what that hierarchy is and what that social structure is.

And when said hierarchy is hostility towards me don't be surprised when I try to destroy it. That is ultimately my point.
 

FriedCFour

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Okay, now you really sound like the identity politics crowd.
Nah, this is just a basic Jordan Peterson talking point that matches up exceedingly well with history and with what we know about humanity and life in general. There’s been many movements over the 18th-21st century that aimed or purported to be entirely from the people, reduced overall leadership and the impact of elites and about the elimination of hierarchy. They typically ended up with even more domineering leaders than they had before lol.
 
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Nah, this is just a basic Jordan Peterson talking point that matches up exceedingly well with history and with what we know about humanity and life in general. There’s been many movements over the 18th-21st century that aimed or purported to be entirely from the people, reduced overall leadership and the impact of elites and about the elimination of hierarchy. They typically ended up with even more domineering leaders than they had before lol.

I think the problem is that niether side really fears each other enough we continue you to poke each other cause we assume the other really can't physically harm us.
 

FriedCFour

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I think the problem is that niether side really fears each other enough we continue you to poke each other cause we assume the other really can't physically harm us.
Eh, I mean that might be a factor but I just think it’s in peoples nature to push for their groups interests. If you have nothing that binds you together as american you go to others, and the more disparate your culture and identity, the more heterogeneous the harder it is to integrate, assimilate and find commonality inherently. Then it’s the universal democracy and increasingly powerful fed and ability to dominate culture via media, the public education system, the college system that all play into this as well. I was raised on the public dime to have white guilt and hate my country and be liberal, because my parents could afford neither the time or money to have me homeschooled or private schooled, but they spent the time and love and care to inculcate a love and appreciation and understanding of the historic American identity into me despite everything around me in education not wanting that to be what I was, either being utterly apathetic towards it or wanting to dismantle this completely. I want to preserve it, and being apathetic with “a live and let live, do whatever you want with your life” mentality does absolutely nothing to preserve it when it’s under assault. You will absolutely lose out unless you push back and do what you can to actively keep it alive, take a stand against the pressure of the current culture and fight to ensure it stays.
 
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Eh, I mean that might be a factor but I just think it’s in peoples nature to push for their groups interests. If you have nothing that binds you together as american you go to others, and the more disparate your culture and identity, the more heterogeneous the harder it is to integrate, assimilate and find commonality inherently. Then it’s the universal democracy and increasingly powerful fed and ability to dominate culture via media, the public education system, the college system that all play into this as well. I was raised on the public dime to have white guilt and hate my country and be liberal, because my parents could afford neither the time or money to have me homeschooled or private schooled, but they spent the time and love and care to inculcate a love and appreciation and understanding of the historic American identity into me despite everything around me in education not wanting that to be what I was, either being utterly apathetic towards it or wanting to dismantle this completely. I want to preserve it, and being apathetic with “a live and let live, do whatever you want with your life” mentality does absolutely nothing to preserve it when it’s under assault. You will absolutely lose out unless you push back and do what you can to actively keep it alive, take a stand against the pressure of the current culture and fight to ensure it stays.

And life has taught me to that the only people you can trust are those closest to you and those they vouch for because even normal strangers can and oft will screw you over any time they think it benefits them. It doesn't matter how good you are or how well you play your part. I trust no man to rule over me and frankly I'd rather die cackling like the Joker in hard defiance over dying on my knees begging for my life blubbering "but I was a good boy! I did everything right!" frankly I were to face death by societal mandated murder be it government or angry mob, I'd love my last words to be a full blown Mark Hamill Joker laugh.



skip to 0:14 for the actual laugh
 
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FriedCFour

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I trust no man to rule over me and frankly I'd rather die cackling like the Joker in hard defiance over dying on my knees begging for my life blubbering "but I was a good boy! I did everything right!" frankly I were to face death by societal mandated murder be it government or angry mob, I'd love my last words to be a full blown Mark Hamill Joker laugh.
this is just some weird larping fantasy.
 

FriedCFour

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Pot meet kettle. and really you think this is some kind of fantasy after reading all of human history or even after you know, paying the least bit of attention to what the left is doing?
I didn’t have any larping fantasy, I didn’t talk about how I “want to go out with a joker laugh” and it’s not really any matter what the left is doing, “no elites or leadership, be an AnCap” is exactly as dumb as being an AnCom.
 
I didn’t have any larping fantasy, I didn’t talk about how I “want to go out with a joker laugh” and it’s not really any matter what the left is doing, “no elites or leadership, be an AnCap” is exactly as dumb as being an AnCom.

then I guess every christian that's ever had to ask themselves "What will I do if and when the time comes and I must face the executioner's blade" is a larper. dude really? I'm not saying no leadership at all. I'm saying limited government. Heck Really the only people you should be relying on are your friends your family and your church. If your faith is so weak that the rest of everyone you come in contact with has to believe exactly as you do in order for you to keep the faith, then there is no faith in you.
 

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