This is the end result of over forcefeeding the lie of women being the same as men, of equality, and of gender being socially constructed. When you try to force lies harder and harder, reality becomes more and more apparent.
Laws Regarding Transgender Participation in Sports
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They’re taking fucking Anabolic steroids. That’s ridiculous to say that one group gets to take steroids and the other doesn’t.
No they just shouldn’t be allowed to compete lol. But I’m totally fine with also just letting them compete with absolutely no standards because again, it’s destroying women’s athletics and that’s a long time coming.
Wasn't there a hilarious match where the woman's world champion football team of a country (UK?) got steamrolled by a fifteen year old high-school boys' team? 
Edit: here, I think this is what I was thinking of: USA women's world champions lose 5-2 to 15-year-old boys
They were American.
Edit: here, I think this is what I was thinking of: USA women's world champions lose 5-2 to 15-year-old boys
They were American.
I think in that instance they let them win, because to be fair, they probably weren’t trying super hard to beat high schoolers and just having fun.Wasn't there a hilarious match where the woman's world champion football team of a country (UK?) got steamrolled by a fifteen year old high-school boys' team?
prinCZess
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Legit dunnow what's involved in FtM transition.
Point was more that MtF individuals have made the news for winning things in female sports a good bit, while the opposite (even with anabolic steroids) don't seem prevalent so they seem to more commonly be 'passing' as 'just one of the boys' who places in the middle of the field or such in a competition. Which, while it might be an advantage and unfairness, makes for a less dramatic situation that sees them less noted and noticed for their status--and, coincidentally, would be further indication that trans athletes original sexual characteristics have carry-on impact to their sport performance--since even anabolic steroids struggle to make-up for the lower starting-position in physical prowess that FtM people had.
I hope that's true because if it isn't... oof!
What’s involved in FtM transition is mostly what, if a man were to take it, would be a performance enhancing drug and would be considered doping, which would eliminate you from being able to compete if caught.
Doesn't matter, still shouldn’t be allowed. Unless suddenly it’s going to be fine for men who are smaller, have lower testosterone, and are less genetically capable of building muscle to now take steroids and other performance enhancers, why the fuck should we allow female to male transgenders to do so and then compete? “So sorry manlet with poor genetics, you don’t get to have steroids because even though you can’t build muscle naturally well, only people who were born with a vagina get to take performance enhancers.”
With the female to male I recall one instance where one was allowed to play women’s sports and trounced the competition, because they were basically doping.
LindyAF
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FtMs / trans-identifying females (to borrow the TERFs term) are women on steroids. It's really not fair to have them competing against women, since they are on steroids. From what I'm aware of, they aren't really competitive with actual men, because despite being on steroids they are women, but IMO there's still really no way they can compete fairly.
My understanding is that trans-identifying females taking the more common amount and types of steroids are not competitive with men. If more powerful steroids were developed and became standard practice for trans-identifying females, then it would seem possible that women on steroids to at least be competitive with men.
There can be no "correct" or "fair" level of steroid use, or a well-defined level that makes a woman as strong as she would have been had she been born a man, because the question is fundamentally a non sequitur, a man born in her place would have been a different person, with different genetics and would have developed along different lines.
My understanding is that trans-identifying females taking the more common amount and types of steroids are not competitive with men. If more powerful steroids were developed and became standard practice for trans-identifying females, then it would seem possible that women on steroids to at least be competitive with men.
There can be no "correct" or "fair" level of steroid use, or a well-defined level that makes a woman as strong as she would have been had she been born a man, because the question is fundamentally a non sequitur, a man born in her place would have been a different person, with different genetics and would have developed along different lines.
Well, there are a couple reasons for that, the biggest of which is that Steroids are disqualifying.
Robovski
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Likely coming up this year: Hubbard closer to Olympic qualification
Governor DeSantis signed their own Transgender Sports Law for Florida.
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BBC said:
Florida bans transgender athletes from female sports - BBC News
Florida is the latest Republican-led state to reject national pro-LGBT policies.
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The Republican led Wisconsin legislature passed a bill regarding trans athletes competing in Girls Sports.
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Sadly Tony Evers, the Democratic Governor, is likely to Veto the Bill.
bintananth
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Based on the pictures ... those teenage boys were bigger than the women they played against.
One of my sisters says she once went toe-to-toe with Allen Iverson one-on-one. She says the only reason it was close was because she's slightly taller than he is, decent from beyond the 3pt line, and could shoot over him.
Von_Lohengram
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I think Conservatives who pass those laws are making a strategic mistake. Better to let the Woke Civil War between TERFeminists and Trans activists continue, than fight the feminists battles for them.
AnimalNoodles
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The biggest issue is bone structure, muscle types and nervous system, none of which can be changed by drugs or surgery. Male skeletons are simply more robust, male muscle insertions give more power and males have more of the muscle types for strength and power generation. Men also have faster reaction times. None of this can be changed.
bintananth
behind a desk
Which is why you don't hear many complaints about someone FtM wanting to participate in mens sports. He's about 5" shorter and 40lbs lighter than a cis-gender man before the hormone treatments do anything.
With someone MtF the reverse is true. She's almost certainly much taller, stronger, and quicker than a cis-gender woman. It's not fair.
LindyAF
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TERFs are pretty much wholly politically irrelevant, there is no current meaningful woke civil war, that was lost by the TERFs more than a decade ago. TERFs are basically a handful of second wave old guard in denial over the fact that they lost the left and the left is never going to go the direction they wanted it to, plus a few lesbians who don't want to get hit on by transes and the occasional suburban woman who runs into trannies IRL or finds out more than they're meant to about trans ideology and goes "wait, what the hell?" They then try to present this as ackshually the liberal or left position, because god forbid they be right-wing on any issue! But I think in most cases (especially suburban moderate liberal women types) it's still an issue they arrived at for fundamentally right-wing reasons (trannies are self evidentially perverted men entering women's spaces, which is threatening to women).
IMO this is also indicative of what I think is an issue with the conservative approach on a lot of issues. Basically, viewing fighting any issue as just expending political capital and influence. Rather, almost any victory is worth the cost because it allows conservatives to demonstrate value to the people who care about that issue and because many people are naturally inclined to side with the winning team. Victories grant momentum.
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Buba
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I know a usually left leaning lady in the UK who froths at the mouth at perverts in ladies' restrooms and MtF's going to women's prisons as to rape the other inmates.
LindyAF
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Based. The moderates on the left I know more just seem kinda weirded out by like the high-level woke stuff, and sort of vaguely wish that it would go away, but don't want to rock the boat or be seen as "transphobic." I think they think (or hope) that the high-level woke stuff is a lot less prevalent and dominant at the core than it actually is.
On the subject of TERFs, IMO some of TERF langauge would be worth adopting. In particular, I like the terms "trans identified male" (meaning MtFs) and "trans identified female" (meaning FtMs). Allows distinguishing them while clearly describing there biological gender, without having to use terms that buy into trans ideology or the confusion of trying to reverse those terms.