What If? King Kong: The Lost Civilization of Skull Island

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This is based on a very old article I read a long time ago but thought was cool (and I still think it is):


Essentially it is positing a history for the civilization that built the wall and ruins on Skull Island, and brought Kong to it in the first place. The actual article is fascinating to read but I'll try to summarize it here.

What do we know about the people who settled Skull Island? First off, they obviously came from somewhere else (We'll call it "Mu", just for the pulp fiction points). They were a people inhabiting a tropical island and using domesticated giant apes for trade, war, transportation and agriculture. The apes were probably natives to the island, island gigantism, that the humans found when they came to Mu. With the aid of such apes, they mastered megalithic construction techniques. They were likely fishers, using boats to harvest fish around their shores. Their developing technology and social organization allowed them to build bigger and more ambitious monuments, and eventually, bigger and more ambitious seagoing boats.

So, inevitably, the Muans embarked on their age of exploration. How did it go? Well, we know they reached the Asian mainland, and acquired oxen. We know they reached Skull Island, established a colony and transplanted giant apes and oxen.

We know they probably never made it to Australia, or if they did found it too inhospitable to colonize. We know they never made it to Madagascar, and thus never onto Africa. Many of the smaller islands of the Eastern Pacific were not colonized by them: The biospheres would show signs of human habitation like their dodos and other birds.

We know that eventually, something happened to Mu: Plague? Civil war? Most likely it was part of the same tectonic plate that Skull Island is part of, and fell victim to earthquakes, volcanos and ultimately sank into the sea. We also know that eventually the civilization on Skull Island fell: Possibly a combination of disease, natural disasters, and the sheer aggressiveness and horror of the megafauna on the island. And thus ultimately the people who survive are the descendants of a once great ocean going superpower. We see it in how they venerate Kong, in the architecture across the island so focused on the ape: The Kongs were the core of their civilization. The men who trained and handled the Kongs were probably a special caste, elites in their society. And this veneration carries on to the present, even with the Muans in such mean estate.

So, here is a good discussion point: What if not only Skull Island existed, but also the Muan civilization as outlined here? An ocean going civilization that had domesticated elephant-sized giant apes and had tried to expand out? Say from 1500 BC to 500 BC, the Muan Civilization was thriving and practicing great feats? What changes to history might have resulted if they'd succeeded in expansion?
 
This Muan Civilization is making me think of the Ancient Atlanteans from Robert E. Howard’s Kull The Conqueror’s time or “Thurian Age” being more-or-less Iron Age civilizations with technology around Rome’s level going around conquering and enslaving and making colonies all over the world

Also, being LONG forgotten and possibly having ancient times of their own and the like
 
It may also be that ancient myths of giants and hairy men in Asia and Europe may have been based on the Muans' use of their gigantic Kong mounts.

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It may also be that ancient myths of giants and hairy men in Asia and Europe may have been based on the Muans' use of their gigantic Kong mounts.

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I’d think it would have been more to do with Homo Erectus and other human subspecies like in Robert E. Howard’s works where they may be responsible for myths about Trolls, Ogres and Fairies

That said, this looks fucking awesome, just how anybody would even dare fight them, I do not know
 
I’d think it would have been more to do with Homo Erectus and other human subspecies like in Robert E. Howard’s works where they may be responsible for myths about Trolls, Ogres and Fairies

That said, this looks fucking awesome, just how anybody would even dare fight them, I do not know

Well, there are some severe penalties associated with the Muan's reliance on the Kongs.

1: A Kong ape takes a very long time to raise up to adulthood and to train properly. If their birth rate is anything like Gorillas, female gorillas are only fertile 1-2 days each month and only reproduce when they are 4 to 6 years old. Once they conceive and give birth, a gorilla will not reproduce again until their baby is 4-6 years old. A normal sized female gorilla can expect to give birth to 2 to 6 offspring over an average lifetime of 40 years. The Kongs are much bigger than regular gorillas of course, and could conceivably live much longer and have more offspring. But growth and birth rates are probably not much higher, so getting a new Kong to raise up is an investment of at least 4 to 6 years.
2: Asian elephants (the only species of elephant humanity has domesticated) have a similarly low birthrate and long time for training but would be a lot more common. The Kong Apes would inhabit Mu, which would have been at best the size of Sri Lanka before it was destroyed. Their population would have been limited by the available space and food they could consume on the island and on any other islands the Muans colonized. And like many island species, they would be susceptible to disease due to their long isolation, meaning it would be hard to breed them elsewhere. Meanwhile, the Asian elephant would have been common throughout southern Asia. In any encounter with mainland Asian empires of the time, the Muan Kongs would have been outnumbered by war elephants. And while the Kongs are formidable creatures, even they would be overwhelmed by sheer numbers of enemies. The Hindus and other empires of the time could afford to lose several elephants for each Kong. Meanwhile the loss of each Kong would be a bigger blow to the Muans.
 
Why is it as small as Sri Lanka? The most plausible location is the Mascarene microcontinent plate fragments, which collectively had 200,000 square kilometers of land during the last ice age, or more. Some fantastical cataclysm sank them, then; that is three and a half times the size of Sri Lanka.
 
Why is it as small as Sri Lanka? The most plausible location is the Mascarene microcontinent plate fragments, which collectively had 200,000 square kilometers of land during the last ice age, or more. Some fantastical cataclysm sank them, then; that is three and a half times the size of Sri Lanka.

Just that that is the bare minimum land area I'd accept to support a viable population of Kongs and the Muan civilization. Though your idea sounds better so we can go with that. Where were the Mascarene plate fragments? Can you post a map?
 
Very cool, though it does raise a good question: Why didn't they try colonizing Madagascar if they were that close to it?


This is the King Kong universe, clearly Madagaskaria was the home to the Elder Ones, accessible through tunnels into their lairs, as a mirror of the tunnels under the island of Leng on Planetos.
 
Very cool, though it does raise a good question: Why didn't they try colonizing Madagascar if they were that close to it?

Could be that the Muans aren't the colonizing type. They could be explorers and poked around a bit and marveled at Madagascar's not quite as awesome megafauna (look it up) but for a variety of reasons weren't exactly expansionist. If they are Ape dependent, then perhaps because they couldn't bring their Giant Apes (or Giant Oxen) along with them, they didn't expand very much. So you can have a civilization that isn't necessarily isolated but also isn't expansionist.
 
From 1500BC ? Japan is still home of Ainu-like people,so they could establish colony there.There is nobody on Hawaii and New Zealand,they could take it all.Australia had stone age tribes,so they could take all fertile lands.

They could made colonies on Sumatra,Java,Ceylon and China,too - there was no state there capable of repel them.
Taiwan and Hainan could be taken entirely.

But then,we would have infighting and local states in China and India,so about 500AD we would have Confederation of islands -
1.Part of Japan
2.Taiwan and maybe Hainan
3.Part of Ceylon.
4.Part of Australia
5.New Zealand
6.Hawaii
7.Colonies on both americas shores.
8.Madagascar,if there is no Elder creatures there.

What next ? muslim would certainly try convert them,just like buddhists and nestorians.
 

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