stephen the barbarian
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are they producing new hulls or fitting out existing hulls?
Interesting Military Facts & Stories You Discovered
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I think both and seeing which is better
The original production run of the Bradley IFV was from 1980 to 1995, totaling 6,724 Bradley vehicles. With the post Cold War draw-down in forces, the number in active service declined substantially with many being placed in storage; later versions of the Bradley were manufactured as upgrades on existing hulls rather than new-builds, as new builds would have been a pointless waste with plenty of low mileage hulls available for upgrading.
Another compilation from polish press:
1.Polish Holy Cross mountain brigade - polish nationalist partisants,who first fought german and soviet bandits,later go to Czech without being part of german army,and finally captured german concentraction camp in Holiszów saving 300 jewish woman there from being burned alive by germans.
Later they captured few german units helping americans.Soviets demanded them,but Patton say fuck off.
Here:
2.commies in occupied Poland practically did notching,except stealing from civilians,so they leaved very few documents - as a result,commies faked them after war - for example,taking photos of Home Army or nationalist units,and replacing heads with commies.
Or,made photos of commie army after WW2 cosplaing as partisants.
As a result,now it is not always possible to check which commie document is real,and which faked/except those photos with changed heads/
3.But,commies had their succes - they partially infiltrate polish Home Army.our counter-intel inform leaders,but they did notching.Which mean,that at least some leaders of Home Army worked for soviets.
Hard to check which one now.
1.Polish Holy Cross mountain brigade - polish nationalist partisants,who first fought german and soviet bandits,later go to Czech without being part of german army,and finally captured german concentraction camp in Holiszów saving 300 jewish woman there from being burned alive by germans.
Later they captured few german units helping americans.Soviets demanded them,but Patton say fuck off.
Here:
2.commies in occupied Poland practically did notching,except stealing from civilians,so they leaved very few documents - as a result,commies faked them after war - for example,taking photos of Home Army or nationalist units,and replacing heads with commies.
Or,made photos of commie army after WW2 cosplaing as partisants.
As a result,now it is not always possible to check which commie document is real,and which faked/except those photos with changed heads/
3.But,commies had their succes - they partially infiltrate polish Home Army.our counter-intel inform leaders,but they did notching.Which mean,that at least some leaders of Home Army worked for soviets.
Hard to check which one now.
The earliest I can find was Martin Dillon, who was appointed to the rank of Major-General in 1878, Lieutenant-General in 1887 and full General in 1892. There were substantial numbers of Irish Catholics in the enlisted ranks, but disproportionately few were commissioned officers, and hardly any of high rank.
In theory, sure. In practice, I suspect that if so few Irish Catholics reached high rank out of a disproportionately high number in the British military, much smaller groups are that much less likely.
Interesting action of polish Home Army during WW2.
Polish officer ,Jan poznański,who fought in France and later was trained and parachuted to Poland,made big mistake - he made friend with one neighbour,and told him that he is in Home Army and come from England.
His friend was gestapo agent.He get arrested,tortured - but,germans,instead of kill him after getting info,tried to made him their agent .he agree to found higher ups in polish underground, get free,go to his superiors,and,when he meet with two gestapo agents in coffe shop "European" - Boehme or Boehm and sidekick,probably Dolężal.
Both was schoot by waiting poles.
Poznański was send to another city,never screw up,and died during killing gestapo agent Helena Michalkowa 22.10.1943.
Interesting story - both sides made stupid mistakes,but this time we win.
Polish officer ,Jan poznański,who fought in France and later was trained and parachuted to Poland,made big mistake - he made friend with one neighbour,and told him that he is in Home Army and come from England.
His friend was gestapo agent.He get arrested,tortured - but,germans,instead of kill him after getting info,tried to made him their agent .he agree to found higher ups in polish underground, get free,go to his superiors,and,when he meet with two gestapo agents in coffe shop "European" - Boehme or Boehm and sidekick,probably Dolężal.
Both was schoot by waiting poles.
Poznański was send to another city,never screw up,and died during killing gestapo agent Helena Michalkowa 22.10.1943.
Interesting story - both sides made stupid mistakes,but this time we win.
Typhonis
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Apparently, back in the 50's the US convinced NATO to go with the 7.62 x 51mm round. The infamous 7.62 N round. Now then as part of the deal was the US was to adopt the rifle. It didn't instead it went with the allegedly better rifle which was the M-14. A rifle that the Springfield armory had to make because the other manufacturers were not up to the quality standards.
After 5 years of service...it would be replaced with the M-16. A variant of the AR-15 that the US Army would actively sabotage during it's military development. Doing such fun things like changing the powder type used, not chroming the barrel to save money and not issuing cleaning kits. Even though Army regulations require cleaning your rifle especially in a damp, hot environment like South East Asia.
Lastly the movie, The Pentagon Wars is supposed to be satire about an idiot Colonel that wanted things done his way so he could have a bigger budget and it gets the development of the M2 Bradley totally wrong.
The M-2 was developed in response to the Soviet BMP. The Isralei army never bought any Bradley's
After 5 years of service...it would be replaced with the M-16. A variant of the AR-15 that the US Army would actively sabotage during it's military development. Doing such fun things like changing the powder type used, not chroming the barrel to save money and not issuing cleaning kits. Even though Army regulations require cleaning your rifle especially in a damp, hot environment like South East Asia.
Lastly the movie, The Pentagon Wars is supposed to be satire about an idiot Colonel that wanted things done his way so he could have a bigger budget and it gets the development of the M2 Bradley totally wrong.
The M-2 was developed in response to the Soviet BMP. The Isralei army never bought any Bradley's
Not quite -- The Pentagon Wars is based on the idiot Colonel's version of events, but exaggerated into a comedy-satire. It gets the development completely wrong because they're trying to dramatize a completely one-sided misunderstanding.
So, there's two basic things that Pentagon Wars got wrong.
The first is the idea that the Bradley got feature creeped from an APC to a pseudo-tank with a turret and missiles "like a hat on top" as a matter of Pentagon internal politics. Brilliant and hilarious scene in the movie, but completely inaccurate; the MICV project was originally intended to develop a direct replacement for the M113 armored personnel carrier, but the project was explicitly rebooted mid-development as an infantry fighting vehicle with capabilities similar to the newly unveiled and quite revolutionary at the time Soviet BMP.
The second is the whole protection thing. In reality, no one involved in the project ever claimed that the Bradley could withstand hits from heavy anti-tank missiles. It was literally NOT DESIGNED TO have that level of protection.
The core of the disagreement was that Colonel Burton wanted to have one of the Bradley prototypes put through live-fire testing against weapons that were known to exceed its protection so that the destruction of the vehicle could be studied in detail and survivability (perhaps) improved. He was especially interested -- detractors say obsessed -- with potential "vaporifics" effects from the aluminum hull , and was pushing heavily for a substantially different alternate design variant of the Bradley.
Everyone else argued that it was stupidly wasteful to "test" multiple very expensive prototype vehicle against weapons that everyone already knew were going to blow them to hell. There were secondary disagreements about testing methodology, some of them legitimate and others exaggerated, but that was pretty much the real version of the "big issue" that the film plays up as something pretty different.
The first is the idea that the Bradley got feature creeped from an APC to a pseudo-tank with a turret and missiles "like a hat on top" as a matter of Pentagon internal politics. Brilliant and hilarious scene in the movie, but completely inaccurate; the MICV project was originally intended to develop a direct replacement for the M113 armored personnel carrier, but the project was explicitly rebooted mid-development as an infantry fighting vehicle with capabilities similar to the newly unveiled and quite revolutionary at the time Soviet BMP.
The second is the whole protection thing. In reality, no one involved in the project ever claimed that the Bradley could withstand hits from heavy anti-tank missiles. It was literally NOT DESIGNED TO have that level of protection.
The core of the disagreement was that Colonel Burton wanted to have one of the Bradley prototypes put through live-fire testing against weapons that were known to exceed its protection so that the destruction of the vehicle could be studied in detail and survivability (perhaps) improved. He was especially interested -- detractors say obsessed -- with potential "vaporifics" effects from the aluminum hull , and was pushing heavily for a substantially different alternate design variant of the Bradley.
Everyone else argued that it was stupidly wasteful to "test" multiple very expensive prototype vehicle against weapons that everyone already knew were going to blow them to hell. There were secondary disagreements about testing methodology, some of them legitimate and others exaggerated, but that was pretty much the real version of the "big issue" that the film plays up as something pretty different.
PsihoKekec
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Might notice that Pentagon Wars is not a documentary, it's a comedy, comedies tend not to be particularly factual representation of history. Otherwise we might argue whether Red Baron really was gunned down by Lord Flasheart or not.
It’s a comedy that has enough of a “truth in fiction” feel that people take it far more seriously than they should.
Yeah, the comedy/satire aspect of it is purely how over-the-top it is. So if you've read Col. Burton's book it comes off as a hilarious comedic exaggeration of what "actually happened", and you don't realize that it's complete BS unless you've looked into sources other than Burton.