Insane, unspecified thread ban awarded with no justification

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The Immortal Watch Dog

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Man the fact that you guys are so afraid of public scrutiny and being held accountable by your userbase that you have this little section where you can all brigade users and will hysterically punish anyone who dares object outside of it..is...kinda lame

Any way lameness aside..I'm kind of curious who decided to throw me out of the Wuhan plague thread? Why? And why the fuck was everyone allowed to lie about me in that thread and then the shoe larper up and only threatens me?

Clarification would be nice.
 

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You and everybody else in that thread were specifically warned against derailing, which you promptly did again.

The entire thread was given a specific warning to not engage in any further derails. Multiple people have since been threadbanned for 24 hours for violating that warning. If you continue derailing, you face a possible permanent threadban. You are not a special snowflake in that regard, please disabuse yourself of that notion.

There are plenty of other threads available for other topics. Use them, or create a new thread.
 

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Stop putting these threads in Staff Comm's.

If you dispute a specific infraction issued to you then use the Appeals section.

If you want to bitch about staff actions outside of that narrow area, use Questions, Comments, & Concerns. Unlike most other forums, we have zero interest in hiding staff decisions or disagreement with them from the regular membership. We are actually perfectly content to receive public scrutiny in point of fact.

If you have an issue with a specific staff member and don't want them to see you complaining about them; PM a higher ranking staff member (we will not be amused with being bothered with petty whining).
 

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You and everybody else in that thread were specifically warned against derailing, which you promptly did again.
Shoe Larper plz, someone asked me an innocent question and I answered, how is that a deliberate derailment? Then again, you've had some controversy regarding your impartiality in that thread, so maybe you shouldn't be modding it?

I like how

The entire thread was given a specific warning to not engage in any further derails. Multiple people have since been threadbanned for 24 hours for violating that warning. If you continue derailing, you face a possible permanent threadban. You are not a special snowflake in that regard, please disabuse yourself of that notion.
One of you two, passive aggressively takes jabs at my character. As if you think being a mod entitles you to be a passive aggressive nag, when you can ban anyone for much as objecting to your jabs at a moments notice.

Are you people pathologically afraid of accountability?

Stop putting these threads in Staff Comm's.
Yeah that was my first thread in Staff Comm's

Why are you lying about me in a public section? Again? Is this some half assed attempt to discredit me or are you just shitty at remembering who posts what, where?

If you have an issue with a specific staff member and don't want them to see you complaining about them; PM a higher ranking staff member (we will not be amused with being bothered with petty whining).
Funny how I did that and then you got mad about it and threatened to permanently ban me for doing exactly that.

After your buddy basically flamed me...and you did fuck all to hold him accountable for it. So like, are you asking me to do something, you know you'll just infract me for?

edit- Actually it seems like you both have an ax to grind against me honestly. Because this is the second time the other one has singled me out and the second time you've come rushing to his defense like a white knight.
 
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Yeah that was my first thread in Staff Comm's

Why are you lying about me in a public section? Again? Is this some half assed attempt to discredit me or are you just shitty at remembering who posts what, where?
And several other people have done the same thing as you, this was more a broad message to the entire user base. Threads like this belong in QCC, not Staff Comm's.

Funny how I did that and then you got mad about it and threatened to permanently ban me for doing exactly that.
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You decided that the proper method to appeal an infraction was to PM me about it. As for threatening you, I replied to your PM exactly once.
If you have any issue with a mod action then take it to either Appeals, Questions/Comments/Concerns, or Staff Comms.

In this case, Appeals or QCC would be the prefered venues. Regardless, we (the Staff) do not discuss staff actions with members via PM unless we (the staff) choose to initiate such a conversation for some reason.

The one exception to that is if a user feels that an individual moderator is abusing his/her position, in which case you may PM a higher ranked staff member to make them aware of your concerns.
I never threatened to ban (or even punish) you for the PM; just informed you how to properly bitch about staff actions.

After Shoelarper basically flamed me...and you did fuck all to hold him accountable for it.
If you take issue with a staff action against you then you can appeal it.
If you take issue with staff actions more broadly or against someone else then you can use QCC.
If you have a specific complaint against a specific staff member (or members) in relation to them abusing their authority then you can PM a higher level staff member about it.
If you think that a post made by a staff member violates one of the forum rules or ToS then you can use the report button to report said post.

Note that flaming people isn't, generally speaking, against this forums rules. If someone wants to call you a fucking idiot then that is entirely acceptable under this forums rules (as a general statement).

edit- Actually it seems like you both have an ax to grind against me honestly. Because this is the second time shoe larper has singled me out and the second time you've come rushing to his defense like a white knight.
We have a relative handful of front line moderators. Of those, @LordSunhawk is hands down the most active when it comes to forum policing.

My role on TS is general oversight of those front line moderators. So when you bitch about him (or any other moderator), I am generally the person who is going to first look at your complaint and decide what to do about it.

Frankly, I don't like or dislike you. Although as a general statement, I dislike everyone who cares enough to bitch about things like 24 hour thread bans (much less already expired threadbans).

Our moderators have discretion when it comes to those kinds of punishments and unless the decision is egregiously bad, our (the higher ranked staff) general policy is to let it stand. Frankly, a 24 hour thread ban would likely resolve itself faster than it would work through the appeals process anyways.
 

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Frankly, I don't like or dislike you. Although as a general statement, I dislike everyone who cares enough to bitch about things like 24 hour thread bans (much less already expired threadbans).
I don't care about a twenty four hour ban, I care about the conduct of the people who hand them out and frankly the two of you, have left me incredulous and skeptical of your ability to do anything with any manner of impartiality.

I'm only making this noise, because Shoe Larper Ethuged on me in a thread, banned me for answering a fucking question and you spazzed in a PM and then rushed to the defense of your homie and then proceeded to babble about banning me in the thread.

You want me not to make noise? Don't act like the people who drove you off that marxist shithole in the first place.
 

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I never threatened you! He says



"I'd ban you for being a dick"

Amazing..how you go "being a dick and flaming someone is totally not a bannable offense" to "haha IWD I'd perm your ass in a heartbeat for speaking out about moderator misconduct"

You're kinda new to this game huh?

And several other people have done the same thing as you, this was more a broad message to the entire user base. Threads like this belong in QCC, not Staff Comm's.
Neat, make a fucking announcement about it instead of phrasing your post in a way that it makes it look like I'm spamming complaint threads in a hidden section to anyone reading this thread who can't see said section. Because from where I'm standing, you deliberately worded that to make a user look a certain way to discredit them.

I'm generally, not a fun person to do that with..As literally everyone in the coof thread who tried to falsely accuse me of bashing soldiers found out.
 

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Histrionics aside, the thread participants were warned about derailing a thread and did so after a public mod post stating as such.

If you wish to appeal that, then you may do so. However this is not the forum for appeals and your question regarding clarification of why you were warned has been answered.
 

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Shoe Larper plz, someone asked me an innocent question and I answered, how is that a deliberate derailment? Then again, you've had some controversy regarding your impartiality in that thread, so maybe you shouldn't be modding it?
If someone asks you a question that is a derailment of a thread topic, and you answer, that is still causing a derail. If they ask you an on-topic question and your reply goes into derailment territory, that is also a derail. The argument that China has us over a barrel and we won't do anything to stand up to them does not have sufficient relevance to the immediate issues of COVID and thus the topic of the thread in question. Such is my judgement, and I'm upholding the thread ban.

If you have any continued objections, you should appeal to Zoe, the head of the site. The buck stops with her, so to speak.
 
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