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[Zachowon]

Considering how bad New York and the other Blue States are? Yes it is.

I was being sarcastic but that's on me

 

[Poe]

Noncitizen state level voting was fairly common a hundred years ago, but the state constitution says what it says. If New Yorkers don't like it they can try to change the constitution rather than trying to argue it doesn't say what it says. It's been done before.

(But good fuckin' luck.)

If this was common it was idiotic and should have been illegal (maybe unconstitutional?)

 

[King Arts]

If this was common it was idiotic and should have been illegal (maybe unconstitutional?)

But it’s not up to you each state has the right to decide how their elections work. The only limit is federal elections where there should be federal oversight.

 

[DarthOne]

But it’s not up to you each state has the right to decide how their elections work. The only limit is federal elections where there should be federal oversight.

I think allowing non citizens to vote should be off the table. As logically those can be used to influence decisions made at the federal level.

 

[King Arts]

I think allowing non citizens to vote should be off the table. As logically those can be used to influence decisions made at the federal level.

Can you explain what you mean?

 

[Poe]

Can you explain what you mean?

It's pretty straight forward? States can not be allowed to let foreign citizens vote because they can vote for congress and even if not they can vote for state legislatures that are capable of passing amendments to the constitution.

 

[DarthOne]

It's pretty straight forward? States can not be allowed to let foreign citizens vote because they can vote for congress and even if not they can vote for state legislatures that are capable of passing amendments to the constitution.

This.

 

[King Arts]

It's pretty straight forward? States can not be allowed to let foreign citizens vote because they can vote for congress and even if not they can vote for state legislatures that are capable of passing amendments to the constitution.

Ahh yes I said that part should not be allowed. That the federal government should oversee Federal elections.

In regards to state legislatures well that's too bad, but if the people of a state want to let whoever vote they should be able to vote for it. It's one of the things that makes the Constitution imperfect, but to my understanding it's allowed and is part of the Constitution.

 

[Poe]

Ahh yes I said that part should not be allowed. That the federal government should oversee Federal elections.

In regards to state legislatures well that's too bad, but if the people of a state want to let whoever vote they should be able to vote for it. It's one of the things that makes the Constitution imperfect, but to my understanding it's allowed and is part of the Constitution.

even statewise it can't be allowed, 2/3 of state legislatures can amend the constitution so we can't let non-citizens vote there either

 

[King Arts]

even statewise it can't be allowed, 2/3 of state legislatures can amend the constitution so we can't let non-citizens vote there either

I get that's a bad idea, that's why I'm against traditional American conservative support of the doctrine of small government. I don't care what the constitution says it's not always a good thing, and this is one instance where it being changed so a loophole can be closed is good.

But the constitution gives states the right to determine how they run their elections. I'm sorry but the law is clear. That's what it looks like to me.

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[Poe]

I get that's a bad idea, that's why I'm against traditional American conservative support of the doctrine of small government. I don't care what the constitution says it's not always a good thing, and this is one instance where it being changed so a loophole can be closed is good.

But the constitution gives states the right to determine how they run their elections. I'm sorry but the law is clear. That's what it looks like to me.

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How they run elections sure, but nowhere does it even hint at the right to let non-citizens vote. It's strictly about how the elections are ran and senators, the last bit which has already been overrode by an amendment.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Kinda a meme, but come on, it's too accurate.

 

[strunkenwhite]

How they run elections sure, but nowhere does it even hint at the right to let non-citizens vote. It's strictly about how the elections are ran and senators, the last bit which has already been overrode by an amendment.

Your worry that they would be able to influence federal decisionmaking via influencing state legislatures does not carry legal weight. Alien suffrage (as it was known) is neither required nor forbidden by the US constitution, which is why the practice was able to wax and wane.

From the "Encyclopedia of Arkansas": In 1868, Arkansas became one of the earliest states to permit "aliens"—newly arrived immigrants—to vote; an alien needed only to declare his intention to become a citizen. Unlike most other states, Arkansas did not have any special requirements for naturalized citizens, such as a need for them to present their naturalization papers, observe a waiting period, or submit to other restrictions. In the aftermath of World War I, however, nativist worries arose about possible foreign influence in the United States. As a consequence, Arkansas ended its special voting permission for aliens in 1926 by constitutional amendment. (That would be the constitution of the state of Arkansas.)

It it your position that all those states, for all those decades, were just ... oblivious to the unconstitutionality of it all? And nobody told them, even when there was enough support to go around changing every state constitution or law that allowed it?

 

[DarthOne]

Your worry that they would be able to influence federal decisionmaking via influencing state legislatures does not carry legal weight. Alien suffrage (as it was known) is neither required nor forbidden by the US constitution, which is why the practice was able to wax and wane.

From the "Encyclopedia of Arkansas": In 1868, Arkansas became one of the earliest states to permit "aliens"—newly arrived immigrants—to vote; an alien needed only to declare his intention to become a citizen. Unlike most other states, Arkansas did not have any special requirements for naturalized citizens, such as a need for them to present their naturalization papers, observe a waiting period, or submit to other restrictions. In the aftermath of World War I, however, nativist worries arose about possible foreign influence in the United States. As a consequence, Arkansas ended its special voting permission for aliens in 1926 by constitutional amendment. (That would be the constitution of the state of Arkansas.)

It it your position that all those states, for all those decades, were just ... oblivious to the unconstitutionality of it all? And nobody told them, even when there was enough support to go around changing every state constitution or law that allowed it?

It was also a different world back then when it comes to communications and mass migration. Especially the later. Something like what we experience today would have been pretty unbelievable back then.

 

[King Arts]

It was also a different world back then when it comes to communications and mass migration. Especially the later. Something like what we experience today would have been pretty unbelievable back then.

True but that's a reason to change the law(Constitution in this case) it's better to follow the law and change it if needed, instead of leaving the law and ignoring it.

 

[Poe]

Your worry that they would be able to influence federal decisionmaking via influencing state legislatures does not carry legal weight. Alien suffrage (as it was known) is neither required nor forbidden by the US constitution, which is why the practice was able to wax and wane.

From the "Encyclopedia of Arkansas": In 1868, Arkansas became one of the earliest states to permit "aliens"—newly arrived immigrants—to vote; an alien needed only to declare his intention to become a citizen. Unlike most other states, Arkansas did not have any special requirements for naturalized citizens, such as a need for them to present their naturalization papers, observe a waiting period, or submit to other restrictions. In the aftermath of World War I, however, nativist worries arose about possible foreign influence in the United States. As a consequence, Arkansas ended its special voting permission for aliens in 1926 by constitutional amendment. (That would be the constitution of the state of Arkansas.)

It it your position that all those states, for all those decades, were just ... oblivious to the unconstitutionality of it all? And nobody told them, even when there was enough support to go around changing every state constitution or law that allowed it?

You seem to not have understood that I stated it should be illegal not that it was.

 

[ATP]

Probably somebody else told it arleady,but:

1.Peter Sutherland in 2021 advocated EU to made their population less homogeneous.Becouse EU could live well only if they become muti kulti.
2.Fun thing - Charles de Gaulle and Enoch Powell feared reversed colonization.
3.Dalajlame condemn chineese migrants in Tibet,but also muslim in Europe - when leftist ,if they dare to condemn China,never talk about muslims in Europe.
4.The same leftists who accuse normals of fake theories,are happy that they are replacing us - like Michelle Goldberg z NYT in "We can replace them" aricle from 2018.

Why? fake elites belive,that they could control migrants and use them to fight patriots in USA.Problem is - one Briton King belived ,that he could do the same with Saxons,and that they would remain his tool.
We all knew,how it ended.

Not that it would help us....

5.What we see in EU and USA is "Replacment Migration" proposed from 2000 by UN.Becouse EU was slowly dying,they propose migration to keep economy alive.The same proposed for USA.
Fine in theory - but,why they belived that migrants would work,and why dying Japan is still doing fine without them?

 

[mrttao]

We all knew,how it ended.

... most people online only know WW2. literally nothing else about history.
why do you think they know anything about the formation of england?

 

[strunkenwhite]

It was also a different world back then when it comes to communications and mass migration. Especially the later. Something like what we experience today would have been pretty unbelievable back then.

Communications, for sure; but the late 1800s (in other words, the peak of noncitizens being allowed to vote) coincided with mass migration levels similar to what we see today as a proportion of the population, just from different parts of the globe.

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[Morphic Tide]

How they run elections sure, but nowhere does it even hint at the right to let non-citizens vote. It's strictly about how the elections are ran and senators, the last bit which has already been overrode by an amendment.

State and Federal suffrage have an extremely long history of being independent factors, with it taking quite a long time for the majority of citizens to receive it at the Federal level. We have a number of terms that arise from the shenanigans that ensued, like "Grandfather Clause".