Well, Yeah, I think that it would be an improvement over the current system in the sense that it will reduce the amount of pressure on the southern border by giving more options to at least some would-be aspiring migrants. Though you're very much correct that there's going to be the black market issue here for those who don't qualify--and I mean who are unlikely to ever qualify to come here legally. If they can't come here legally now but could in the future, then many of them might perhaps prefer to wait than to try coming here illegally.
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Well, Yeah, I think that it would be an improvement over the current system in the sense that it will reduce the amount of pressure on the southern border by giving more options to at least some would-be aspiring migrants. Though you're very much correct that there's going to be the black market issue here for those who don't qualify--and I mean who are unlikely to ever qualify to come here legally. If they can't come here legally now but could in the future, then many of them might perhaps prefer to wait than to try coming here illegally.
Few, not many. Most would get sick of the eternal wait they are facing. And then there would be the greedy ones who perhaps could get the visa, but would prefer to get through faster and dodge the fees.
Interesting analysis. So, as always, it looks like libertarians are dreamers, eh?
Still, I'd be willing to help out the people who can get these hypothetical visas since such visas would not lower the US minimum wage. Such people could possibly be a strain on the US social safety net, of course, but this can be compensated by increasing high-IQ immigration (especially, but not only, from Asia) as well.
But the whole idea behind that system is that it would allow those who don't really need help.
This whole system presented there is indirectly designed to promote the high IQ ones (10$ minimum wage and 2$ per hour foreigner work tax are no big deal for a genius scientist who will earn 6 digits or someone like that, but a make or more likely break issue for an aspiring farm worker), and hit the ones with lower IQ and no insane job talent of some sort with essentially eternal wait time.
It would still give them a better quality of life, no?
And that's the beauty of it--we would select for immigrant quality here! Interestingly enough, even the Diversity Visa Lottery has this approach because high school dropouts are excluded from this lottery unless they have a certain amount of specific job experience. So, we don't get the worst of the worst from this lottery, contrary to Trumpist propaganda:
The Diversity Visa Program Holds Lessons for Future Legal Immigration Reform
On paper, the Diversity Visa Program is not set up to bring in the highly skilled; applicants need only a high school diploma (or equivalent) or two years of mid-level work experience. Yet as this commentary explains, the green-card lottery has become a channel for entry of the highly...
I want to help immigrants but I also want there to be some benefit to the home country. This makes me different from an open borders fanatic like Bryan Caplan.
Well if they thought their life would be made worse by it they would stay home to begin with, that's not the point of immigration restrictions.
Legal ones at least. If this system works like that, it does nothing about the masses of lesser quality immigrants going in illegally. They couldn't get in legally either way, they still can't get in, and you still don't really want them.
"Could be even worse" is not exactly a great argument for the system.
The government of a country has a duty to help the country and its people above other considerations, leave helping immigrants to charities willing to pay for it with their willing donor's money.
The point is to protect the well-being of the citizentry. Or at least it's supposed to be.
Yeah, that's why there should be a tough crackdown on illegal immigration, ideally.
Well, I'm just saying that it provides good enough immigrants. If we wanted the best of the best, then Yeah, we should scrap it, but if we simply wanted good enough, then we can keep it. Interestingly enough, the US had mostly open borders before the start of World War I. The Diversity Visa Lottery goes nowhere near that far.
Completely agreed. Else, the social contract between a country's citizens and their government would be undermined, possibly severely undermined.
But how much welfare and easy, safe, well paid jobs did USA have before WW1?
It's one thing to have open borders when you are barely exiting the age of being a country of frontier pioneers, and a completely different one when you are a post-industrial country. These two attract completely different amounts and kinds of immigrants.
But how much welfare and easy, safe, well paid jobs did USA have before WW1?
It's one thing to have open borders when you are barely exiting the age of being a country of frontier pioneers, and a completely different one when you are a post-industrial country. These two attract completely different amounts and kinds of immigrants.
Yes, exactly, which is why I think that it would be a good idea for the US to have open borders with other high-IQ countries right now but also to be more selective with immigrants from low-IQ countries, such as by requiring a college degree and/or a high IQ score on a legitimate IQ test (with zero risk of fraud) before one would actually be allowed entry into the US. This should still result in a majority of Diversity Visa Lottery immigrants qualifying to come to the US, of course.
Immigrant Population Hits Record 46.2 Million in Nov 2021
An analysis of the Census Bureau’s monthly Current Population Survey shows the total immigrant population hit 46.2 million.
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An excellent 1920s book about immigration courtesy of the Internet Archive:
Well worth a read!
Well worth a read!
From 2015 but still good:
Hungary is right in rejecting Muslim immigrants and instead aiming to boost its birth rates. Though importing non-Woke non-Muslim immigrants could be nice. If Hungary could actually get them in large numbers, that is. Open borders between Hungary and Israel lol? Hungary previously historically had a large Jewish community, so there is some logic in this. But Israel is richer, so why would Israelis move to Hungary? Unless they want more space, which Israel lacks.
Hungary: Immigrants or Children?
Hungary is opting for the latter: 10 million forints is about $35,000. You may recall that this is the exact same sum that George Soros is demanding that the EU pay each immigrant during just their first two years there. No wonder he and his minions hate Orban so
www.unz.com
Hungary is right in rejecting Muslim immigrants and instead aiming to boost its birth rates. Though importing non-Woke non-Muslim immigrants could be nice. If Hungary could actually get them in large numbers, that is. Open borders between Hungary and Israel lol? Hungary previously historically had a large Jewish community, so there is some logic in this. But Israel is richer, so why would Israelis move to Hungary? Unless they want more space, which Israel lacks.
Hungary was twice taken by commies - in 1919 and 1945.In both cases jews served as 5th column there.From 2015 but still good:
Hungary: Immigrants or Children?
Hungary is opting for the latter: 10 million forints is about $35,000. You may recall that this is the exact same sum that George Soros is demanding that the EU pay each immigrant during just their first two years there. No wonder he and his minions hate Orban sowww.unz.com
Hungary is right in rejecting Muslim immigrants and instead aiming to boost its birth rates. Though importing non-Woke non-Muslim immigrants could be nice. If Hungary could actually get them in large numbers, that is. Open borders between Hungary and Israel lol? Hungary previously historically had a large Jewish community, so there is some logic in this. But Israel is richer, so why would Israelis move to Hungary? Unless they want more space, which Israel lacks.
So hungarian would not want them there.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
I think the US is going to end up looking like post colonial Africa in the near future, Basically a lot of ethnic conflict and probably genocides on top of it. Europe will also probably find itself in a similar boat once the US implodes.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Where US go, Europe follows twenty years later.
And US have been on a road straight to hell for a long time.
Europe has no problems creating their own mistakes.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Oh, I am aware. French Revolution, Paris Commune, Marx, Engels... seriously, if France and Germany had just went the way of Atlantis at some point (say, 14th century for France, 18th for Germany), world would be a far better place.
