mrttao
Well-known member
GDP is just a number. it does not mean the economy.
It is not just the people who suffer. every business other than megacorps suffer. countless businesses closed. I see a bunch of empty shuttered storefronts.
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It is not just the people who suffer. every business other than megacorps suffer. countless businesses closed. I see a bunch of empty shuttered storefronts.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Spreadsheet line go up and its consequences have been a disaster for the Western World.
Economic success should be determined by how well your coffers are filled. People would trade all the GDP points in the world to get back the half stable and united society we once had.
Isn't the average American technically in 10k+ in debt or something once you spread the numbers out. That's nuts, even if everyone was 10 bucks in debt that should be a problem. 10k in debt for everyone should be a national crisis!
mrttao
Well-known member
it is a national crisis.
although the immigration one is a bit of a hotter crisis right now
Nobody in the political sphere treats it as a crisis though, only decently educated non-political people.
If anything it appears to be the opposite, those in power suggest MORE debt, not less.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Apparently on a national scale having a little bit of debt can be a good thing (in the creditor and finance industry). I believe it’s meant to be a sign of reliability in the giving out of and paying back loans, but it has gotten completely out of hand either way.
mrttao
Well-known member
> expert rapists says that a little bit of non consensual sex is good for your health
> gullible people quote them seriously
Some fun additions.
Banks say that small amounts of usury is good for your finances.
Parasites say eating small amounts of raw pork is good for your gut health.
Sharks say bleeding a little bit in the ocean increases your safety.
hyperspacewizard
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One thing that I don’t know is mentioned and discussed enough is with all the jobs illegals alien take im assuming they don’t pay tax or insurance or any other thing that is taken out of a legal citizens paycheck so if your job pays you $20 an hour and the illegal alien gets $10 an hour under the table how much of that 20 do you actual get to use while he gets the full ten dollars.
im not sure how the illegals aliens actual function and I assume it differs greatly between different nations.
Also isn’t there ngos and charities basically giving them free stuff all the time too. Isnt England letting them use council housing?
so with all that is it any wonder legal citizens don’t take those jobs?
Im guessing so if anyone has a more detailed knowledge on the subject that be cool.
im not sure how the illegals aliens actual function and I assume it differs greatly between different nations.
Also isn’t there ngos and charities basically giving them free stuff all the time too. Isnt England letting them use council housing?
so with all that is it any wonder legal citizens don’t take those jobs?
Im guessing so if anyone has a more detailed knowledge on the subject that be cool.
Well, recently it was revealed there is a conspiracy of indians in Canada exploiting food banks, even people with 6 figure jobs were taking from the needy.
hyperspacewizard
Well-known member
Yeah saw that video and that’s bad but those charities are set up I hope in good faith what I’m curious about is how many ngos and charities are directly set up for the purpose of helping illegal aliens or “refugees” and how much help and resources those “refugees” get.
SoliFortissimi
Well-known member
The average American has one testicle.
Are you sure you aren't a leftist?
This isn't an argument, try harder or don't try at all.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
The left are the ones obsessing most about this issue publicly now, not the right.
But when it does come up, do you really think we're going to ignore the issue of mass baby-murder for political convenience?
Whether or not you believe an unborn infant is a human being, pro-lifers do. Would you have any respect at all for us if we ignored that?
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
The rhetoric around abortion is very emotionally charged, for good reason, on both sides.
But all I had to do was look up the procedure itself to recognise it as a moral abomination. Even the most hardline of the Right can stomach it in medical emergencies as a last resort, but the vast majority of abortions are not emergencies: this effective snuffing out of a light before it could truly shine has become perceived as a form of contraceptive, and that is wrong.
There are over two hundred thousand abortions a year in my country. Under four thousand of those are real medical emergencies. This is an atrocity.
But all I had to do was look up the procedure itself to recognise it as a moral abomination. Even the most hardline of the Right can stomach it in medical emergencies as a last resort, but the vast majority of abortions are not emergencies: this effective snuffing out of a light before it could truly shine has become perceived as a form of contraceptive, and that is wrong.
There are over two hundred thousand abortions a year in my country. Under four thousand of those are real medical emergencies. This is an atrocity.
I mean, using the GDP as a metric for the economy is usually fine, just right now that it's failing really badly. It's a very good number telling how well business is doing. It's highly correlated with a number of different other metrics such as poverty, job losses, etc.
It's understandable that people do use it as a proxy for the economy, but right now that doesn't work. That's basically what I'm trying to get across.
Immigration is part of the reason it doesn't work. Immigration makes the GDP go up, but it doesn't help out any American not in the stock market or employing them. But honestly, I'd say inflation did worse things to America than immigration because inflation is just so bad.
It's a weird statistic. Take credit card debt (about $5k/peson). Right now, I'm technically about $1k in credit card debt because I had something expensive to pay for this month, and used a credit card. I am going to pay off the entire balance automatically on the date I'm supposed to though, and pay no money in interest. That's nor really debt that's an issue. Basically, you need to look at people who maintain consistent credit card debt, and figure out what they have.
In addition, the average isn't a good person to examine. You'd want the median here. Basically, credit card debt works similarly to the whale model of free to play games: a few people are suckers and pay for everyone else's free games. So instead of the average American having about $5k credit card debt, the large majority of Americans are fine, in my position or something, and then some are just completely screwed having something like $100k credit card debt.
As a side note, average income is actually a fine statistic, if it comes from the American Community Survey (ACS). Basically, to protect privacy of people with huge incomes, they cap any income over 300k at 300k. So LeBron James would be listed as having earned 300k last year if he had filled it out.
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Gettin' spicy over there again.
going to be a global thing, not just in Ireland but across the entire western world.