KilroywasNOTHere
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the guy's got a sallor's mouth, but I don't think he's wrong
Philosophy How We Got Here
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Lord Sovereign
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He does have a point. The American Establishment's behaviour is not that of people who feel like they are in control. Even if it is a bit of a stretch, it's semi-reminiscent of how the corruption of the Optimates ensured the downfall of the Roman Republic. Although even then, I don't think the Romans had to deal with this level of self hatred and dogma (why in the balls were the commies let into education? Why, why, why, why!?).
KilroywasNOTHere
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if I had to guess it's because they had a 3 pronged narrative. (the victimized chosen people + the inhuman scapegoat + the promise of unity and brotherhood) it's probably the same way monarchism and neo-nazim are gaining a foothold in the right today.
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ultimently we live in a time of cults and 'social justice' is a cult that is being forced upon masses who are already tired of it and dont want it.
Thats why I'm a little more optamistic about things long term, the democrats are our verson of the Optimites but they dont have the optimates defense of tradition. They have in fact done away with a lot of their structural legitimacy leaving very vunlerable which is why their freaking out so very hard.
Because what they have is a house of cards and I think they know it.
Does everyone on this site not watch everything Razor puts out? You should be required to watch whatever his latest video is before you can post.
Megadeath
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Haha! Because if people aren't told what their opinions ought to be they might be guilty of wrongthink? I thought it was supposed to be the "left" that was trying to indoctrinate people, but I don't see any of them suggesting I need to absorb the right lessons before I can practice freedom of expression!
KilroywasNOTHere
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that's going a tad far. We don't want to create an echo chamber of our own and become a refection of what we hate. That being said...you're a member of the razorforce?
absence of malice was making a joke, the written format we use on message boards does a poor job of delivering stacasm.
KilroywasNOTHere
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hence why I'm not the biggest fan of using it to talk politics and philoshpy it's harder to seperate the clever from the idiots. and it emboldens people to say stupid stuff they would not do in REAL public. and darn I was hoping he was a fellow member of the razorforce.
If something is the truth it should be echoed generally. Leftists are wrong objectively not because of how they sound. I hate how superficial moderation is like you look at two men disagreeing over how to disarm a bomb and go "God dont you see you both sound exactly the same?" like bruh one of them is actually wrong objectively and going to get everyone killed.
KilroywasNOTHere
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see you use that anology while I think of it as two sides are arguing which side has the moral right to use said bomb while everyone else says "Will both of you just shut up? we're trying to disarm this thing." but there in lies the problem we can't even agree on what is the root of our social ills, vs what are the symptoms.
You dont see that because when your people do it you just say "no it's not that we're trying to restrict freedom of expression we're just showing you the consequences of that free expression" and then they try to ruin their target's lives get them fired and get every service rendered to them revoked.
Yeah you can arbitrarily change a metaphor to mean whatever the fuck you want it to mean only yours makes exactly zero contextual sense and doesn't have anything to do with reality because whats being decided on isnt "I kill you or they kill you" or whatever the fuck your political prisoner RP is about. "Do we by law let you have apples or not let you have apples" Moderate: hmmmmm I dont like, believe in a binary man, how about like, both, man. You like to pretend that one side is "have infinity apples" to create a false middle for yourself to occupy but thats all it is just pretend.
AnimalNoodles
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The masses arent tired of it at all. It has the support of broad swathes of the population along with the majority of elites.
KilroywasNOTHere
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fine by your analogy it seems like "Both sides" are all "Apples for me but not for my enemies" and us on the "center" like "Will the both of you get your own freaking apples and shut up!" when the capital protest occurred what was the first thing people did on twitter? They spun it to fit whatever narrative or cause they wanted. "This is why we need fascism, no this is why we need communism!" and on and on without the actual concerns being addressed.
but hey people are going to peope so it's not like it will matter anyway,
Your own example points out the problem.
"I want my enemies to not have apples"
"Why dont you just have apples yourself"
"Because thats not my objective my objective is for you to not have apples."
And you arrogantly complain about the side who's only argument is "That guy doesn't get to take everyone's apples away."
You keep trying to change the context and yet you accidentally explain why you're wrong yourself. On one side you have "I want to kill bob and Hastur" and on the other side you have "I dont want the first guy to kill bob and Hastur" and you're pretending like moderation between that binary is a good thing.
Fascism is a function of Communism. They werent called national socialists as a joke.
KilroywasNOTHere
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Wait wait wait wait, hold on I think I know where are miscomunication is coming from. I'm not talking about the side that's saying "That guy doesn't get to take everyone's apples away." I use put the both sides in quotes because what I'm seeing is a group of leftist rejects that seem to be slowly wiggling themselves into circules claiming to be right wing when in reality what they are is leftist rejects and they are trying to get people from the right to join thier ranks by appealing to things like history and traditionalism they say they are against what the "Left" is doing and yet when it seems like they get an ounce of courage or bravodo they are more than happy to use those same tactics by "Fighting fire with fire" and while the two leftist groups are growing and fighting for control the real right is finding itself sandwiched in a two front war, and I'm afraid that the right is so concentrated on the enemy at it's front, they are going to forget the enemy at its back...that is until it's too late and they get absorbed by the fascist and have their skin warn like how the communist are wearing the skin of liberalism.
It's not a moderation between a binary. It's two lefts vs a right that really needs to be careful of the kind of allies we make. Even Patton saw that it was a mistake to side with Stalin to fight hitler.
KilroywasNOTHere
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I think sadly conservatives always assumed the farm would be there, and now we are fighting an uphill battle.
Not as uphill as you think, the democrats have mismanaged their power base in the cities for generations now and thats starting to hit. This is also the last year of cheap global credit because in 2022 the boomers start retiring and all of that cheap easy investment money that has been glutting the system vanishes for ever.
Their freaking out for a reason.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
That's absurd. The general public either try to get along with their lives and block it out, or vote as right wing as the current paradigm will allow. How anyone can mistake proggy shit being constantly shoved down their throats for compliance just beggars belief.
Those blackpills are distorting your view of reality, mate. Better spit them out.
Circle of Willis
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Yeah, if social justice were genuinely popular then even setting the near-universal growth of nationalistic populism everywhere these past couple decades aside for a moment, 'get woke go broke' wouldn't be a thing from Star Wars to the Western comic industry in general.