How exactly do people project themselves unto an MC, especially the edgy and/or power-fantasy types?

[CarlManvers2019]

This is something for all those Gamer-Esque Isekai Protags in today's Light Novel books

And all those In-Name-Only, SI and/or OC-characters for fanfiction

Just how do people, aside from the writer somehow insert themselves into these sorts of characters? Especially knowing at this point, them and the readers are VERY different peoples and never can be said characters

Best I can get is, “This is who/what we want to be?”

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Because wish fulfillment, relatability and the fact these characters are pretty much empty shells that you can inject yourself into nicely. Almost like Mnggal-mnggal. And very much like the case of Bella Swan, who is so lacking of character she devours the character of others and thus perfect for tweens and horny soccer moms to insert themselves into.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Because wish fulfillment, relatability and the fact these characters are pretty much empty shells that you can inject yourself into nicely. Almost like Mnggal-mnggal. And very much like the case of Bella Swan, who is so lacking of character she devours the character of others and thus perfect for tweens and horny soccer moms to insert themselves into.

Honestly, I think a part of these characters almost all lack both flaws and much even in terms of quirks that’d make em act silly or weird

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Honestly, I think a part of these characters almost all lack both flaws and much even in terms of quirks that’d make em act silly or weird

Yes, that is part of them utterly lacking in character. If they aren't bland then it is more difficult to insert yourself into them.

The fact that Kazuma is such a piece of work, yet still the sane guy is why I have Konosuba on the list of shows to watch.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Yes, that is part of them utterly lacking in character. If they aren't bland then it is more difficult to insert yourself into them.

The fact that Kazuma is such a piece of work, yet still the sane guy is why I have Konosuba on the list of shows to watch.

Say, how do guys SI into guys like Kaneki Ken though?

I notice most on FFN kinda forget much of the dude's reluctance even post-trauma to kill both Ghouls and Humans, hell they even forget that he struggled whether or not to kill Arima Kishou, his father figure(though he's only a few years older)and instead have him be near-remorseless and forgetting those feelings of attachment to even his new CCG-coworkers

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Say, how do guys SI into guys like Kaneki Ken though?

I notice most on FFN kinda forget much of the dude's reluctance even post-trauma to kill both Ghouls and Humans, hell they even forget that he struggled whether or not to kill Arima Kishou, his father figure(though he's only a few years older)and instead have him be near-remorseless and forgetting those feelings of attachment to even his new CCG-coworkers

Because they are idiots, or low functioning sociopaths and thus cannot understand why he'd have a reluctance to kill a living person, even a predator of man (and thus perfectly moral to destroy). Remember that no matter what some claim, normal people find it difficult to take a life, even if they hate the person and everything they stand for.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

This is something for all those Gamer-Esque Isekai Protags in today's Light Novel books

And all those In-Name-Only, SI and/or OC-characters for fanfiction

Just how do people, aside from the writer somehow insert themselves into these sorts of characters? Especially knowing at this point, them and the readers are VERY different peoples and never can be said characters

Best I can get is, “This is who/what we want to be?”

Catharsis. People who are bullied see bullies getting beaten in manga or anime and like it. I frankly don't get these questions of yours Carl.

They come off a lot of the time, why do people like things I don't like.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Because they are idiots, or low functioning sociopaths and thus cannot understand why he'd have a reluctance to kill a living person, even a predator of man (and thus perfectly moral to destroy). Remember that no matter what some claim, normal people find it difficult to take a life, even if they hate the person and everything they stand for.

Yeah, guys on FFN sound like they're so focused on how "cool" a character would look for being willing to kill, that all they can do is go on about how they're "Hard Men Making Hard Decisions" or "not weak/naive" for not killing even the mooks

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Catharsis. People who are bullied see bullies getting beaten in manga or anime. I frankly don't get these questions of yours Carl.

He is asking why people can some how insert themselves into the 2d cut-outs that apparently count as characters known as the standard iesakai protagonist.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Or light novel where a character finds themselves in a world where rest of human males have small dicks while they still have an average dick which for the setting makes them a big dick chad. You have many threads all over the net asking if size matters. Do I have to explain the appeal here?

 

[LifeisTiresome]

He is asking why people can some how insert themselves into the 2d cut-outs that apparently count as characters known as the standard iesakai protagonist.

The same way women insert themselves into romance novels. But apparently that is ok whereas men inserting themselves into isekai is constantly looked down on.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Hell, if one believes youtube comments, women are the main fans of NTR manga. And we know how NTR is. So women are inserting themselves into the women getting dicked by chad while hubby aka the average male is destroyed emotionally.

He is asking why people can some how insert themselves into the 2d cut-outs that apparently count as characters known as the standard iesakai protagonist.

Issue is that I believe Carl has asked this before and it was explained to him and yet again he asks it.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Yeah, guys on FFN sound like they're so focused on how "cool" a character would look for being willing to kill, that all they can do is go on about how they're "Hard Men Making Hard Decisions" or "not weak/naive" for not killing even the mooks

Which ironically makes them naive, remember what Gandalf said, "Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many."

Sometimes it is the more courageous decision to stay one's hand. To show mercy. And sometimes the hardest decision is to let someone who you think deserves death to life. To understand that perhaps judgement is not yours to pass. That though letting others live may not be expedient in the moment, it is the best decision in the end.

Sometimes taking life is the correct choice, other times not. And mercy when possible is always the best path, for kindness tends to beget kindness. If you spare lives when you can, you gain a reputation and your opponents will be all the more willing to surrender. But if you kill with abandon, then the enemy will fear surrender, knowing that death is in store for them regardless. And they will fight, because it is their own choice, their only chance at life, and it is better to die standing like a man, rather than slaughtered like a beast.

They are fools. But then again who else would write poorly written fanfiction on a site where such stories are a dime a dozen?

The same way women insert themselves into romance novels. But apparently that is ok whereas men inserting themselves into isekai is constantly looked down on.

True, but at least the whole Bella Swan thing and the creeper twi-moms thing is roundly mocked.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Hlaalu Agent
Only reason I dislike it is when it comes to an extreme Farmer&TheViper situation

Though the only reason the Joker doesn’t die by Batman or anyone else’s hand is to avoid having to resurrect him repeatedly because he’s popular

Stuff about coming back with reality bending superpowers aside

 

[LifeisTiresome]

@Hlaalu Agent
Only reason I dislike it is when it comes to an extreme Farmer&TheViper situation

Though the only reason the Joker doesn’t die by Batman or anyone else’s hand is to avoid having to resurrect him repeatedly because he’s popular

Stuff about coming back with reality bending superpowers aside

DC and Marvel comics have no end. They are perpetual nonsense that keep going on forever hence people rarely ever die permanently and no progress is ever made.

Seeing as you like to pontificate about entertainment Carl.

Please explain why people like MGE and what is your opinion on the below

Hell, if one believes youtube comments, women are the main fans of NTR manga. And we know how NTR is. So women are inserting themselves into the women getting dicked by chad while hubby aka the average male is destroyed emotionally.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

DC and Marvel comics have no end. They are perpetual nonsense that keep going on forever hence people rarely ever die permanently and no progress is ever made.

I know that, takes awhile to accept

Please explain why people like MGE and what is your opinion on the below

Hell, if one believes youtube comments, women are the main fans of NTR manga. And we know how NTR is. So women are inserting themselves into the women getting dicked by chad while hubby aka the average male is destroyed emotionally.

Because people have a Stepfordization/Bimboification fetish?

Ladies like NTR? I’m guessing that means they actually like ladies NOT looking like railthin androgynous shoujo characters too

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

@Hlaalu Agent
Only reason I dislike it is when it comes to an extreme Farmer&TheViper situation

Though the only reason the Joker doesn’t die by Batman or anyone else’s hand is to avoid having to resurrect him repeatedly because he’s popular

Stuff about coming back with reality bending superpowers aside

Really, Batman not killing him and then tossing him to the legal system should be the end. The clown should either be swiftly ended or locked up so tight that he'd never see the light of day. And that is just the normal tip of the ice berg, you have a trillion ways of dealing with him. It is just bad writing trying to milk joker until the cash cow that he is runs dry.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Really, Batman not killing him and then tossing him to the legal system should be the end. The clown should either be swiftly ended or locked up so tight that he'd never see the light of day. And that is just the normal tip of the ice berg, you have a trillion ways of dealing with him. It is just bad writing trying to milk joker until the cash cow that he is runs dry.

Yeah, really can’t just kill him off, hell guy has probably made an enemy of too much of the rich and powerful or proved a danger, so would have seen him shanked long ago

That said, going back, I think those edgelords can quickly forget aside from the nicer altruistic and merciful sides of a character, they can also forget things like their dreams and ambitions

Hell, I think many have forgotten Guts’ whole “I want to come up with a reason to live and fight aside from even protecting my friends and helping them along the way on their own dreams” he had in the Golden Age Arc, hell they seem to ignore how surprisingly calm or “understanding” he was when he was thinking about how “Griffith. Sigh, that dude’s never changed, he really wants a bigger castle.”

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Because people have a Stepfordization/Bimboification fetish?

Is this why you like MGE?

Ladies like NTR? I’m guessing that means they actually like ladies NOT looking like railthin androgynous shoujo characters too

What do you mean?

And you point to this instead of the more obvious they like the bad boy giving them the hard rough sex instead. Lol

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Yeah, really can’t just kill him off, hell guy has probably made an enemy of too much of the rich and powerful or proved a danger, so would have seen him shanked long ago

That said, going back, I think those edgelords can quickly forget aside from the nicer altruistic and merciful sides of a character, they can also forget things like their dreams and ambitions

Hell, I think many have forgotten Guts’ whole “I want to come up with a reason to live and fight aside from even protecting my friends and helping them along the way on their own dreams” he had in the Golden Age Arc, hell they seem to ignore how surprisingly calm or “understanding” he was when he was thinking about how “Griffith. Sigh, that dude’s never changed, he really wants a bigger castle.”

It wouldn't be a problem if they used the joker sparingly, and gave more justification but alas...

Probably because it gets in the way of their edgelord wanking. Not saying edge itself is bad, it can be good in its proper amount or in the right place.

And that ironically dilutes the darkness of the story, of how a fundamentally decent man, with a shitty life, keeps on getting fucked over and over, without any metaphorical lube.

Is this why you like MGE?


What do you mean?

And you point to this instead of the more obvious they like the bad boy giving them the hard rough sex instead. Lol

I take it that you are citing hypergamy, Yes that is a thing and it is unforuntate. I would say it is Icarian, flying to close to the unobtainable and thus getting burnt when they had a clear and safe path forward.