How different would WW2 be if the U.S. somehow recived all 282 of it's current A-10 Thunderbolts just in time for D-day?

[Free-Stater 101]

So picture this before the D-Day Invasion the U.S. forces in Britain get a gift.

All 282 of the U.S. militaries Warthog's, they come with all the personnel and supplies required to fly/maintain/repair them and are presently ready for action...

How would this affect if at all the war in the long haul?

 

[Morphic Tide]

I'd honestly suspect the larger share of the impact would be making a non-jet version basically on the spot to vomit swarms of that variety of flying brick.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

I think a certain operation becomes much less unthinkable, because they can just brrrr the fuck out of the commies like they did the nazis...which would save everyone a lot of pain in the end.

 

[PsihoKekec]

The Normandy breakout occurs sooner as Warthogs wreak havoc on German armor and artillery. Typhoons and Thunderbolts were not all that effective against enemy armor, while Warthogs have no problems with WWII tanks, inflicting heavy casualties and forcing the remaining armor to be dispersed and camuflaged, decreasing its combat effectivness. They are also good at silencing artillery, be it 88s or 105, which were also major killers in Normandy. However this might convince Hitler not to go with Mortain style folly once the breakout occurs, so instead of Falaise pocket, we couls see defense on Seine and Somme rivers

Keep in mind that light AA is still danger to them and with limited ammount of spares it will see gradual attrition of avaiable aircraft. Warthogs also don't fix the Allied supply issues.

 

[Deleted member]

The Germans experience no significant change in their ability to resist with the allies having less than four hundred jet CAS aircraft that have a never-exceed speed in a dive 40 mph less than the normal top speed of the Me-262. It may happen like @PsihoKekec says it would. Conversely, the Germans use captured examples to improve the engines on the Me-262, so that by the end of the year they are effectively gaining the upper hand in the air war over Germany, and without the relentless continued allied bombing campaign being nearly so effective, hold on until September of 1945.

 

[GoldRanger]

So picture this before the D-Day Invasion the U.S. forces in Britain get a gift.

All 282 of the U.S. militaries Warthog's, they come with all the personnel and supplies required to fly/maintain/repair them and are presently ready for action...

How would this affect if at all the war in the long haul?

Why is there a Merkava MKIV in that image?

 

[PsihoKekec]

the Germans use captured examples to improve the engines on the Me-262

If they capture example of the engine it still wont answer the metallurgy process problems that were bedeviling them, nor it will solve the dearth of critical materials. And even if they somehow do it, research and industrial implementation will take time, but once the Wallies are on the Rhine and Soviets are on the Visla and Danube it doesn't really matter anymore, increased efficiency of the defense of the Reich squadrons would prolong the war by days at most.

Why is there a Merkava MKIV in that image?

The artist probably used the first tank that caught his fancy. Many such cases.

 

[ATP]

Would they got ammo,too? becouse i am sure,that USA from 1944 could not made it.
And not-jet copies - it would not make sense without gatlings,and i do not knew if they could made them in 1944.
Maybe gave them all magazines with ammo and parts for A.10,too? what about giving them machines to made ammo ?

 

[Doomsought]

Would they got ammo,too? becouse i am sure,that USA from 1944 could not made it.

Autocannon ammo is autocannon ammo. They might loose some performance, but they can easily manufacfture steel AP round that fit the gun.

 

[Zachowon]

I dont think they are the same size as the ww2 ones.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Size is not a problem. As Doomsought pointed out steel AP is doable, with propellant available at the time, albeit at the loss of performance, but probably still enough to penetrate the rear and the top of most German tanks of WWII. They would also need to recalculate the trajectory of these new rounds.
HE rounds are also doable even if the fuses could be a bit problematic, WWII fuses for small caliber autocannons tended to be either too sensitive or not sensitive enough, for every new round it usually took months or even years of tweaking to get it right.

 

[JagerIV]

Depends on the depth of the supply available. But, well, Allies win a little bit quicker than they did historically. Not sure if they would be most usefully boost CAS or anti air. Depends what kind of sensors and missiles they have.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Honestly the munitions that will come with the Warthogs will be far more useful than the brrrrrttt gun as much as it pains me even the supply is limited

 

[ShadowArxxy]

If they capture example of the engine it still wont answer the metallurgy process problems that were bedeviling them, nor it will solve the dearth of critical materials.

As I understand it, the Nazis already did have better alloys, but due to material shortages they couldn't produce those in sufficient amounts. The metallurgy problems that led to the comically short engine lives of the early German jets were problems of, "Make a good-enough alloy that can be mass produced with the resources at hand."

 

[Tryglaw]

Truth to be told, I never saw much point in "what-if" threads that are additionally empowering a side which already won. Since the answer is obvious, they still win, only easier.

Now, if the question should be "what if the Germans get these", now that would be interesting...

For example, "what if Germans just before the D-Day should receive entire stock of 1989 DDR military equipment, with the skills to use them?" Now that's interesting.

 

[ATP]

Truth to be told, I never saw much point in "what-if" threads that are additionally empowering a side which already won. Since the answer is obvious, they still win, only easier.

Now, if the question should be "what if the Germans get these", now that would be interesting...

For example, "what if Germans just before the D-Day should receive entire stock of 1989 DDR military equipment, with the skills to use them?" Now that's interesting.

Still lost after few years,but consider that they would get jets,London would be rubble by that time.And Moscow probably too.
Unless they get factories for their stuff and DDR stock of tactical nukes.Then they would win.Even with Hitler as leader.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Having all of those Warthogs would pretty effectively paralyze the Germans more then they already were. Keeping the Panzer Divisions within the interior would mean they would be able to respond even less effectively to the Allied Amphibious assault. The guided munitions in the form of the Mavericks and other smart bombs would be nice (while they last) in taking out hardened emplacements on the coastline I imagine, or other important spots like headquarters or sensitive sites. But yes for once the big BRRRT cannon can earnestly be utilized properly now in brewing up scads of armored and less then well armored Nazi vehicles.

Amateur question but the Warthog could target enemy formations at night as well? The Germans often had to move at night to avoid the harassing of Allied airpower but if Warthogs are almost just as deadly at night that should put even more pressure on German mobility, especially since even defensive German AA would be less effective at night as well.

 

[Quickdraw101]

I don't know about any of ya'll, but I'm very interested in seeing a squadron of A-10's dogfight with a squadron of ME-262's.

 

[Zachowon]

I don't know about any of ya'll, but I'm very interested in seeing a squadron of A-10's dogfight with a squadron of ME-262's.

A 10 would not do good. It is to slow and is not made to fight against air targets

 

[Free-Stater 101]

I don't know about any of ya'll, but I'm very interested in seeing a squadron of A-10's dogfight with a squadron of ME-262's.

I am not sure how effective they would be in AA maneuverability for dogfighting, but both aircraft had 30mm cannon although the hogs obviously have the advantage with lead output.

Speed wise the hogs are a hundred mph slower then the 262 with speed comparable to the mustang.