How can conservatives effect change?

LordsFire said:
Business leadership, as Trump proved, is one way of developing as a leader overall. There's plenty of others.
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Education as well, though maybe not from the current school system and those teachers who may think differently may not be happy with what they are now stuck with

Not sure how legal that’d be
 
AnimalNoodles said:
In all successful revolts, peaceful or otherwise, success was made possible because 1) the help of foreign powers or 2) Leadership by a fraction of the domestic elite.

Which foreign powers will help us? Who is our Elite fraction?

None.

Before we can begin resistance in any form, we need one of those two. That leadership will come. But it will not come until someone finds us useful. Until then your rifle is useless. Worse then useless. It acts as a palliative and an excuse not to do actual organising.
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actually when you look at the fractions left and right you come to a very obvious conclusion.

Conservatives, libertarians the current right is less expensive.


The left includes teachers unions, big tech, feminists, SJWs, academia, socialists and a whole host of others and they all have one thing in common. They have their hand out for more, thus when the left does win you get an envitable battle over the spoils. In times of plenty paying them off is doable.

Those times of plenty end in 2 years, the boomers start retiring en mass, they no longer will put money into the system through taxation, they will take out their stocks and bonds to live off of and this is global.

So as a member of the elite the shit hits the fan, its does so for structural reasons you have a full on knife fight over the dwindling spoils. And its nigh impossible to make any one happy.

Continue to support the ever more radical asshats who are also ungratful or turn to the much cheaper coalition of people who can be paid off by simply leaving them alone.
 
Conservatism as we know it (what grew out of 17th and 18th century English Toryism) has failed, that much is clear. As an ideology it is gripped by a pathological fear of rocking the boat too much (built upon Burke's fear of radical change), which has made it helplessly susceptible to the slow burn of Rousseau's bastard offspring. When drastic reform is needed, it'll dither because "we mustn't rock the boat too much."

What is needed is true Conservatism, IE Traditionalism. It's clearly not enough to slow down the Left or even hit the brakes, the gear stick has to be thrown into reverse.
 
LordsFire said:
The Conservative movement is not short on leaders, and there are more rising up every day.

It's also disingenuous to say that an uprising requires foreign aid; support from or active non-participation for the military can cut it just fine as well. Rome had no shortage of rulers overthrown from purely internal politics, as is true in China, Japan, etc, etc.

If you selectively ignore the facts that contradict your defeatist narrative, of course you'll keep coming to the same conclusions.
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You have people who want to lead. You dont have an elite fraction with money, connections, legitimacy and power.

The American Revolution succeeded because a portion of the colonial elite supported and lead it with assistance from France. There has never been a successful revolt that succeeded without the support of internal elites or foreign assistance, or both.

None.

Revolutions aren't really about class. They are about one elite fraction, or an aspiring elite fraction overthrowing another elite fraction.

The deplorables and the right need to find ways to either generate an elite fraction, ways to make themselves useful to an elite fraction looking for power, or become useful to a foreign power. Without those, you will remain powerless and marginalised.
 
Hastur of Carcosa said:
so exchange one man's chains for another. No thanks, I think I'll just lay low until the current slave masters died of terminal cancel. And I certainly won't bow to the like of you or lord invictus.
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Then sit at home and stroke your rifles and watch as everything you love is demolished. This is the same strategy that has failed you all time and time again. "I dont like it. I find it unpleasant. I dont want to put in the work. Im going home to grill." Here's a hint..your libertarian paradise will never happen.
 
AnimalNoodles said:
Then sit at home and stroke your rifles and watch as everything you love is demolished. This is the same strategy that has failed you all time and time again. "I dont like it. I find it unpleasant. I dont want to put in the work. Im going home to grill." Here's a hint..your libertarian paradise will never happen.
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and you will never be king.
 
Lord Invictus said:
SJWs are just foot soldiers anyway. The real power is veiled and hidden. The rot of our society goes much deeper, and the Left merely capitalizes on and reinforces it.
I would say the problem is less Leftist professors or vertically directed propaganda, though that is a problem, and more social pressure.
Why do people support BLM? Why they do they support Antifa? Most people aren’t deep thinkers or do research for themselves.
They rely on their peers. What the left has done successfully-is manage the social and cultural consensus. It doesn’t cost anything to think or believe “Trump is Hitler” or “being a transgender is like so hip”. Their peers think these things, or people believe their peers do, and they go along.
They manage the culture, through the management of the norms. This means the baseline is generally in line with what they want.
Social engineering and mass compliance, means that professorial or direct indoctrination is simply a matter of reinforcing trends and beliefs already existing.
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There aren't that many leftists most people don't believe anything. The left is a paper tiger thats why they have to fake their numbers.
 
Hastur of Carcosa said:
The left is very tradtionalist. They just want to be the one establishing the traditions.
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I guess that's part of the reason why I roll my eyes so much. If this devolves into nothing more than a playground "My traditions are better than yours," Well then forget it. I've been saying from the word go that the best thing we can do is do what the left has done where we outlast and out compete but no I was shut down as being a soyboy and limpwristed. I've changed my mind ever so slightly as a result of the election fraud only because well....election fraud is in illegal after all. Suddenly traditionalist realized they are not going to get what they want and suddnly they want to give up and demonize everyone that is even remotely optimist with a half-hearted haphazard message of Endure. Nope sorry not going to lose my optimism just because a bunch of traditionalist have had to wake up and realize that they live in America and not freaking England or Germany.

I'm putting my footdown. I'm a constitutionalst NOT a traditionalist.
 
One consideration that needs to be discussed is what we would actually do with power, if we got it.

We conservatives seem reluctant to actually use state power, to affect our ends. Either because we are simply afraid of the use of power, or because of lolbertarian “small government” nostrums.

The state is a tool, a giant stick. We should not be afraid to swing it.

The attitude that “power is bad, reduce the government” is super damaging and destructive.

We need to be willing to use the state, to do what we want with it.
 
Lord Invictus said:
One consideration that needs to be discussed is what we would actually do with power, if we got it.

We conservatives seem reluctant to actually use state power, to affect our ends. Either because we are simply afraid of the use of power, or because of lolbertarian “small government” nostrums.

The state is a tool, a giant stick. We should not be afraid to swing it.

The attitude that “power is bad, reduce the government” is super damaging and destructive.

We need to be willing to use the state, to do what we want with it.
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I somehow doubt you'll say that when your "Friends" hang you on the cross.
 
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