stephen the barbarian
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/12/01/nyregion/george-santos-expulsion-vote
holy fuck, i was not expecting something like this.
House Expels George Santos From Congress in Historic Vote
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holy fuck, i was not expecting something like this.
Since when is a politician lying about everything a crime?
At least wait until he's convicted of something... or ya know, the next election cycle less then a year away...
George Santos should've just married a rich Jewish lad like Ilhan Omar did and get his campaign financing laundered through his political consultancy firm. SMH. This is why Republicans lose.
At least wait until he's convicted of something... or ya know, the next election cycle less then a year away...
George Santos should've just married a rich Jewish lad like Ilhan Omar did and get his campaign financing laundered through his political consultancy firm. SMH. This is why Republicans lose.
Bigking321
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Cool how they can expel him but refuse to even vote on expelling any of the democrats that are accused of far far worse things.
Oh did I say cool? I meant "it's bullshit"
Oh did I say cool? I meant "it's bullshit"
Poe
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How do you expect that to work? Do you think the entire democratic bloc in the house, minus two in this case, would vote to throw out one of their own? Sounds like you're just virtue signalling to me
Bigking321
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Not at all. I expect them to remain in complete lockstep to protect their own no matter what.
But the democrats don't control the house Republicans do. That's kind of my point. The Republicans refuse to even attempt to go after democrats but will happily go after one of their own.
I have no idea what you mean here?
I am genuinely annoyed how weak and spineless Republicans are when it comes to opposing democrats.
Per the U.S. Constitution, each house of Congress has the privilege of setting its own internal rules. The expulsion of Santos is completely in keeping with those rules, which maintain that exclusion can be triggered by *either* a criminal conviction *or* a finding by the House Ethics Comittee. The latter was invoked in this case.
The last two expulsions from the House were Democrats -- James Traficant in 2002 and Michael Myers in 1980. Expulsions are incredibly rare, there have only been six in the entirety of American history and three of them were Civil War related.
Bigking321
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Huh...
Fair enough?
No... wait. That's not even remotely relevant to my complaint.
They are choosing to expel this guy instead of any of the other people that have done things. Like fire alarm guy.
If they had a consistent set of standards for expulsion and applied them fairly to everyone then I wouldn't care if this guy got expelled if it's proven he violated those standards.
That isn't what's happening and I find that very frustrating.
Largo
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He isn't being kicked out for lying, he's being kicked out for stealing from his donors and ringing up credit card charges in their names.
I'm not sure whether I would have voted to kick him out, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
So basically what I referenced in the half of my post that you snipped out?
It's impressive the level of scrutiny and diligence you apparently need here to just shit post a joke.
That's just the posting style of some people. They quote your post like they're responding to you but are actually just trying to crow about something else. It's super weird.
Largo
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Misusing campaign funds (which is what I understand Omar to have done) and directly stealing from donors aren't the same thing at all? One happens all the time. The other really doesn't because most politicians aren't as stupidly greedy as Santos was.
Except you said I said he got removed just for lying. You literally cut out the rest of my post when you quoted me. A lot of omission is still a lie and very sad and George Santos like. If you want to engage someone in discussion then be honest when your quoting them.
But here's the joke (that you cut out).
George Santos should've just married a rich Jewish lad like Ilhan Omar did and get his campaign financing laundered through his political consultancy firm. SMH. This is why Republicans lose.
And this is what I said about you.
It's impressive the level of scrutiny and diligence you apparently need here to just shit post a joke.
I'm not sure if this'll sink in the third time but I'm enjoying myself.
Largo
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I suppose I should have been more clear and acknowledged that you posted something that is of no relevance to the topic, so I'll apologize for not doing that if that's what you want. After all, your joke only makes sense if you think Santos's crime is laundering money incompetently.
It appears you might just be too smart to understand such a simple joke. It's understandable. I typically deal with people far smarter then me that still can't understand basic things. It's the era we live in.
So here's the joke that you cut out of your quote to me:
George Santos should've just married a rich Jewish lad like Ilhan Omar did and get his campaign financing laundered through his political consultancy firm. SMH. This is why Republicans lose.
Your contention is that George Santos did something worse than my humorous shitpost comparison to Ilhan Omar. That is actually irrelevant because my joke sets up that George Santos WOULDN'T HAVE TO steal directly from his donors if he married a rich Jewish lad to finance his "campaign" like Ilhan Omar did.
Like seriously... the implication of the joke is so obvious.
I await your response where you'll try and point out I said "campaign financing laundered" and you'll state George Santos stole money for personal reasons as your next gotcha. It's all so pathetically predictable (and personally entertaining).
So in review:
Topic: George Santos is removed from Congress.
My Shitpost Joke: Since when is a politician lying about everything a crime?
At least wait until he's convicted of something... or ya know, the next election cycle less then a year away...
George Santos should've just married a rich Jewish lad like Ilhan Omar did and get his campaign financing laundered through his political consultancy firm. SMH. This is why Republicans lose.
You: He wasn't removed for lying. *you quote me while ignoring the rest of my post dealing with the campaign finance fraud* He was removed for fraud.
My Reply: Oh you removed the part of my post where I joked about him being removed for campaign finance fraud. Maybe you shouldn't take a joke so diligently?
You: *proceeds to take the joke too seriously and ignoring the fact that you performed a lie of omission when you originally quoted me* Ilhan Omar's campaign finance fraud is commonplace. George Santos is direct theft.
My Reply: I think you need to read my joke a third time because you clearly don't understand it.
You: Here's my fake apology. Also thanks for admitting your joke has nothing to do with George Santos. I can only make strawmen in response to obvious jokes because I am an inherently dishonest.]
My Shitpost Joke: Since when is a politician lying about everything a crime?
At least wait until he's convicted of something... or ya know, the next election cycle less then a year away...
George Santos should've just married a rich Jewish lad like Ilhan Omar did and get his campaign financing laundered through his political consultancy firm. SMH. This is why Republicans lose.
You: He wasn't removed for lying. *you quote me while ignoring the rest of my post dealing with the campaign finance fraud* He was removed for fraud.
My Reply: Oh you removed the part of my post where I joked about him being removed for campaign finance fraud. Maybe you shouldn't take a joke so diligently?
You: *proceeds to take the joke too seriously and ignoring the fact that you performed a lie of omission when you originally quoted me* Ilhan Omar's campaign finance fraud is commonplace. George Santos is direct theft.
My Reply: I think you need to read my joke a third time because you clearly don't understand it.
You: Here's my fake apology. Also thanks for admitting your joke has nothing to do with George Santos. I can only make strawmen in response to obvious jokes because I am an inherently dishonest.]
I'm sorry that Ilhan Omar is your Wincest waifu or whatever but the joking shitpost still stands on its own merits and is wholly on topic.
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Skallagrim
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Skallagrim
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Anyway, on a serious note -- and my apologies for the double post; I only considered the possibility of a serious note after the fact -- this whole idea of an elected representative being sent away by anone other than his constituents is just so fucking weird. I get that this Santos guy is almost certainly a dodgy sort of clown, but the decision to kick him to the curb should be made by the people he's supposed to represent.
They're the only ones qualified to do that.
If he's committed crimes, I do believe he should be prosecuted for that. Like that Democratic fellow who literally took money from a foreign government. That stands to reason. But removing an elected representative should really be the exclusive prerogative of the people.
They're the only ones qualified to do that.
If he's committed crimes, I do believe he should be prosecuted for that. Like that Democratic fellow who literally took money from a foreign government. That stands to reason. But removing an elected representative should really be the exclusive prerogative of the people.
Yeah criminal charges. Not ethics violations by some committee. Plus it's a two year term. He has less than a year left. The issue can correct itself politically.
This is all very sad. George Santos is the first Republican Congressman I would gladly call LatinX. I will never forget the (partially Islamist fueled) homophobic bigotry largely from the Democrats that got him removed from office.
Again, it's *literally written in the Constitution itself* that Congress has the rightful authority to set its own chamber rules. This is absolutely playing by the rules, and it was a bipartisan supermajority that voted to expel Santos.
We heard you the first time.
Sorry I meant to say...
Again we heard you the first time.