Gun Political Issues Megathread. (Control for or Against?)

news on the fallout from Bruen,
Supreme Court Sends Key Gun Control Cases Back to Lower Courts for Reconsideration Under Bruen - The Truth About Guns
As expected, this morning the Supreme Court disposed of a number of cases challenging gun control laws that it had been holding pending the ruling in New York Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. The language in the Bruen ruling now provides clear guidance to lower courts as to how to evaluate Second Amendment-related cases.

on the block are Young v. Hawaii, Bianchi v. Frosh, ANJRPC v. Grewal, and Duncan v. Bonta.
 
In actual reality, the chances of someone with a previous felony conviction reoffending that there's a 50/50 chance any given inmate will reoffend, which is why they aren't allowed to open weapons that would make them much more dangerous.
You ever stop to consider why that is though? In large part, it's because we set them up to fail; we make things so difficult for felons that many of them end up having to choose between staying on the up and up, and becoming a criminal again just to survive.
 
You ever stop to consider why that is though? In large part, it's because we set them up to fail; we make things so difficult for felons that many of them end up having to choose between staying on the up and up, and becoming a criminal again just to survive.

Im personally of the view that once you have done your time your punishment should be over.

If someone is so dangerous that they cant have their rights back then they shouldn't be released from prison in the first place. The kind of in between half ass bullshit we do just seems sadistic to me.
 
Ok, so you want the default sentence for assault to be life in prison? Good luck with that.
Are you seriously arguing that someone guilty of assault can never be trusted outside of prison again and never deserve to have their full rights again?
 
You ever stop to consider why that is though?

No, because it's irrelevant to this question. Regardless of why the reoffense rate is so high, it is that high and our policies must respond to that.
 
Courts don't set minimum/maximum sentences. Legislatures do. Learn how the system works before you start making demands to tear it down and rebuild it.
Courts also don't write gun control laws, Legislatures do, so this just wraps back to the original point that the laws are the problem.
 
Did yall know people who get felonies can get thier rights back?
Because if you did the arguments yall making are ridiculous
 
Did yall know people who get felonies can get thier rights back?
Because if you did the arguments yall making are ridiculous
Yup, just gotta get a form processed by the BATF after a lengthy waiting period... except the BATF has refused to process any since 1992. So either get a full pardon or get your record expunged are the only options and those are only generally available if you're already part of the Elite.
 
You ever stop to consider why that is though? In large part, it's because we set them up to fail; we make things so difficult for felons that many of them end up having to choose between staying on the up and up, and becoming a criminal again just to survive.

This is ignorant of basic human psychology.

The basic reason so many people reoffend, is because once you cross a line in the choices you make, it becomes easier to cross that line again. If you cross that line repeatedly, and many violent criminals do before they actually get arrested and convicted, then it's much easier to cross that line again.

That isn't to say that social stigma and legal fallout don't contribute in some cases. They certainly can, and sometimes do.

But the root issue isn't 'society is so nasty to me,' it's that it's very hard to change the direction of your life once you've been going a certain way for a long time.

On top of that, people with the sort of character to commit violent crimes, tend not to have the kind of determination and dedication to drastically change. I say 'tend not to' and actually mean it; some of the people who commit violent crimes, it was genuinely a serious break from their regular character, and some who do have generally poor self-restraint and judgement do actually change drastically as people.

But overall, the primary reason is personal choice, not societal pressure.

There's a reason we treat someone desperate who actually goes and steals bread from a convenience or grocery store very differently than we treat a druggie who uses a gun to rob the cash register for drug money.
 
Here's what New York thinks will "comply" with Bruen:
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Permits would, among other things, require four references and "a list of current and former social media accounts" from the last three years:

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Places where guns would be banned. Police, retired police, and security guards would be exempt. Violations would be a class E felony:
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Man, I would love to see the federal courts just bitch slap New York for this bullshit.
 
The carry restrictions look like an almost-copy of IL's concealed carry limits, but worse. IL allows concealed carry in theaters, and you can carry in a establishment where alcohol is served provided the total revenue from such sales is less than half of the total, and you can carry during a protest (provides it's not a protest that required a permit), and most of the restrictions on carrying in a park or special event have an exemption for if you're just passing through to get to your residence or vehicle in IL, but not in NY. And there's no place of worship restriction in IL.

Though the NY does oddly lack (as far I can tell) a version of the IL law that let's any private business declare itself a gun free zone if they want to, which I assume they would do.


The character references bit is totally different, and I suspect that's going to be the most constitutionally suspect bit (that and the "no gun is this one particular part of the city, for, uh, reasons" part). Though amusing it's also the part most likely to bit any would be liberal gun owners in the ass, all those years old psychotic anti Trump posts are probably not going to pass the vibe check.
 
Haven't looked at New York law in detail, but that might apply to every apartment building in the state.

Any "residential setting" that is "licensed, certified, regulated, or funded by the department of health".

I'm pretty sure that the department of health has some role in certifying apartment buildings as safe to live in. Or at least has regulations covering health and safety in such locations.

And yeah, a very large chunk of these regulations won't survive challenge.

The fun challenge will be if you find a pro gun pastor/priest/rabbi/imam/etc. and have them sue on the grounds of regulating religious practices.

Actually, start a religion worshipping Ares. One of the religious rites can be target practice.

Hmm, that would actually be hilarious. "Preparing for combat is a core tenant of our faith. And our faithful are required by that faith to go armed at all times."

Unlike some religions *cough*Scientology*cough*, Ares has thousands of years of worship behind him and it's unquestionably a real faith.

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Viewpoint discrimination in the issuance of CCW's is also going to fail once tested in the courts. Granted, most of the subjective requirements are likely to fall on First Amendment grounds as opposed to Second Amendment ones.

The government really isn't allowed to predicate the expression of rights or access to government services on the beliefs of those trying to express those rights or access those services.
 
No, because it's irrelevant to this question. Regardless of why the reoffense rate is so high, it is that high and our policies must respond to that.
Except those policies are part of the reason why the re-offense rate is so high. Doubling down just makes things worse.
 
Except those policies are part of the reason why the re-offense rate is so high. Doubling down just makes things worse.

Main reason why reoffense rate is high is because, as pointed out before, main thing stopping people from breaking laws are psychological blocks. Primarily, social stigma and unfamiliarity. But once you cross the line, well, 1) social stigma doesn't matter because you are already stigmatized, and b) unfamiliarity doesn't matter because you are already familiar with crime and punishment both.

Basically, the only way to prevent high rate of reoffense is to introduce the death sentence for literally every crime. If person is dead, they cannot commit the crime again.
 
Main reason why reoffense rate is high is because, as pointed out before, main thing stopping people from breaking laws are psychological blocks. Primarily, social stigma and unfamiliarity. But once you cross the line, well, 1) social stigma doesn't matter because you are already stigmatized, and b) unfamiliarity doesn't matter because you are already familiar with crime and punishment both.

Basically, the only way to prevent high rate of reoffense is to introduce the death sentence for literally every crime. If person is dead, they cannot commit the crime again.
"What's the penalty for being late?"
"Death."
"What's the penalty for rebellion?"
"Death."
"Well -- we're late."
 
Main reason why reoffense rate is high is because, as pointed out before, main thing stopping people from breaking laws are psychological blocks. Primarily, social stigma and unfamiliarity. But once you cross the line, well, 1) social stigma doesn't matter because you are already stigmatized, and b) unfamiliarity doesn't matter because you are already familiar with crime and punishment both.

Basically, the only way to prevent high rate of reoffense is to introduce the death sentence for literally every crime. If person is dead, they cannot commit the crime again.

So in other words the common man needs to get some gonads and learn how to defend themselves. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure and two tons recompense. No one is going to save you except your own grit and a heart of steel.
 
Main reason why reoffense rate is high is because, as pointed out before, main thing stopping people from breaking laws are psychological blocks. Primarily, social stigma and unfamiliarity. But once you cross the line, well, 1) social stigma doesn't matter because you are already stigmatized, and b) unfamiliarity doesn't matter because you are already familiar with crime and punishment both.

Basically, the only way to prevent high rate of reoffense is to introduce the death sentence for literally every crime. If person is dead, they cannot commit the crime again.
Also capability, psychological and physical. It's a noted fact that criminals are less likely to reoffend once they get old, whether they get old in prison or not, as they get weaker and less aggressive with age and falling testosterone levels.
 
Except those policies are part of the reason why the re-offense rate is so high. Doubling down just makes things worse.

"I committed more crimes because I couldn't have a gun" sounds.....less than plausible.
 

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