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ATP said:
1.We do not went for Russia.Moscov went for Lithuania which ruled russians
2.Nope,those were german camps in occupied Poland.And germans try accuse us of german crimes.Fools belive in it.
3.Moscov attacked Lithuania from 1410,200 years before fake Dymitrs.
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You may not but once again it is your leadership that decides and one of them that did was Sigismund III who had other plans. He wanted the crown of the tsardom and the Russians to convert from orthodox to catholicism.

Wasn't a bad move to incorporate Russia at the time but he should've followed what Żółkiewski wanted with peaceful means for a Polish Lithuanian Muscovite commonwealth.

You're confusing with those death camps. I can accept blame for the Germans ordering the death camps and the collaborationist polish but the Germans ran the whole thing. There was no pretense for a Polish collaborationist government. It was a military occupation and administrated by Germans from the top.
 
Arch Dornan said:
You may not but once again it is your leadership that decides and one of them that did was Sigismund III who had other plans. He wanted the crown of the tsardom and the Russians to convert from orthodox to catholicism.

Wasn't a bad move to incorporate Russia at the time but he should've followed what Żółkiewski wanted with peaceful means for a Polish Lithuanian Muscovite commonwealth.

You're confusing with those death camps. I can accept blame for the Germans ordering the death camps and the collaborationist polish but the Germans ran the whole thing. There was no pretense for a Polish collaborationist government. It was a military occupation and administrated by Germans from the top.
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Moscov was attacking Lithuania from 1410,when they still were Golden Horde vassals.So,they started the war,not Lithuania.
And Żółkiewski plan was good in theory,but consider how often moscovites killed their tsars/see Borys Godunow and his son/ it was not good idea.
Retaking Smoleńsk was enough,and if we keep our army there would be no problems later.

And death camps was germans and they do not have polish guards,only lithuanians or ukrainians.Problem is - germans is blaming us for thier crimes,and when you wrote "polish death camps" average dude think about bad poles killing jews without germans.
If you see "Our Fathers,our mothers" ypo would think that Holocaust was made by bad poles from Home Army and nazis.
Not germans,who did so.
It is not mistake,it is german politics.
 


Some German homecoming video I found.
ATP said:
Moscov was attacking Lithuania from 1410,when they still were Golden Horde vassals.So,they started the war,not Lithuania.
And Żółkiewski plan was good in theory,but consider how often moscovites killed their tsars/see Borys Godunow and his son/ it was not good idea.
Retaking Smoleńsk was enough,and if we keep our army there would be no problems later.
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Isn't 1410 against the Teutonics?

I'm not sure which war you're talking of. Lithuania started the first one with the Muscovites supporting the claims of the principality of Tver even earlier from 1368 to 1372.
 
Arch Dornan said:


Some German homecoming video I found.

Isn't 1410 against the Teutonics?

I'm not sure which war you're talking of. Lithuania started the first one with the Muscovites supporting the claims of the principality of Tver even earlier from 1368 to 1372.
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this is legit nicer then my city.....
 
Arch Dornan said:


Some German homecoming video I found.

Isn't 1410 against the Teutonics?

I'm not sure which war you're talking of. Lithuania started the first one with the Muscovites supporting the claims of the principality of Tver even earlier from 1368 to 1372.
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In 1368 Poland was not allied with Lithuania.First time we have war with Moscov was 1410,when they were allies of Teutonic order.
 
ATP said:
Sad thing is,if you do not that,you would get only propaganda.And even then most polish written history is propaganda,too.
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Sorry it's too much effort. If I can't find it online I can't verify what you say. The only thing I can find about the Russians trying to link 1410 was against the Teutonics because of Smolensk even if the claim was shaky.
 
Arch Dornan said:
Sorry it's too much effort. If I can't find it online I can't verify what you say. The only thing I can find about the Russians trying to link 1410 was against the Teutonics because of Smolensk even if the claim was shaky.
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Moscov propaganda.3 Smoleńsk banners fight valiantly against germans there/only lithuanian units which do not run from battlefield/ but they WERE LITHUANIANS subjects.And fought for Lithuanian state,not Moscov.
Russians faked it as their own from 19th century.

And,knowing Putin,they probably still fake it.
 
ATP said:
Moscov propaganda.3 Smoleńsk banners fight valiantly against germans there/only lithuanian units which do not run from battlefield/ but they WERE LITHUANIANS subjects.And fought for Lithuanian state,not Moscov.
Russians faked it as their own from 19th century.

And,knowing Putin,they probably still fake it.
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Obviously it would be but that would be the Soviet propaganda.
 
Marduk said:
You mean other government's property.
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Property is property and theft is theft, even if the property in question is controlled by an SOE.

I just love how Russia Derangement Syndrome makes some people on here support things that, in theory, should be against their principles and governments that are incompetent and massively corrupt.

Then again, some of those same people's ancestors were all too happy to become bashibozuks back in 1878.
 
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Agent23 said:
Property is property and theft is theft, even if the property in question is controlled by an SOE.
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Government property is not private property, even, bah, especially if its a foreign government.
It's subject to control of foreign policy and national interests that foreign policy should be guided by, not covered by citizen's rights, except by technicality that should be eliminated at first opportunity - after all, foreign governments are not, and legally cannot ever be citizens.
Agent23 said:
I just love how Russia Derangement Syndrome makes some people on here support things that, in theory, should be against their principles and governments that are incompetent and massively corrupt.

Then again, some of those same people's ancestors were all too happy to become bashibozuks back in 1878.
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Who the hell supported strategic infrastructure being owned not just by governments, but foreign governments at that? Except for corrupt neolibs that is.
It's especially unfortunate that you compare opposing that to cucking to a foreign government, which is exactly what you are standing for here.
 
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LOL!
And Lithuanian-Muscovy wars are relevant to the thread how?

Nationalisation of Germany energy companies - won't it be a bailout of party cronies?
Same as underwriting banks during the so-called financial crisis, or forcing German taxpayers (or EU in general) to bail out Greece as the Hellenic crooks and book-cookers going bancrupt would had hurt German (and French) banks (and robbed their management boards of bonuses)?
 
Marduk said:
Government property is not private property, even, bah, especially if its a foreign government.
It's subject to control of foreign policy and national interests that foreign policy should be guided by, not covered by citizen's rights, except by technicality that should be eliminated at first opportunity - after all, foreign governments are not, and legally cannot ever be citizens.
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Yeah, sure, fuck property rights. 😂
And fuck those evil Finns, too, they definitely want to destroy Germany. :sneaky: :devilish:


Marduk said:
Who the hell supported strategic infrastructure being owned not just by governments, but foreign governments at that? Except for corrupt neolibs that is.
It's especially unfortunate that you compare opposing that to cucking to a foreign government, which is exactly what you are standing for here.
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Yeah, sure, you are anti-neolib now.
I will believe that. 😂
 
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