CarlManvers2019
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I think someone once said before that he actually became friends with some natives and tried to get em citizenship or something similar
The disease was something they didn’t know much of at the time
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I think someone once said before that he actually became friends with some natives and tried to get em citizenship or something similar
The disease was something they didn’t know much of at the time
Arch Dornan
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Ghenghis Khan was quite a dick too but his statue hasn't been removed yet from observation.
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I find the destruction of the Jefferson statue disturbing. Not for who the statue is-but d the fact it was high schoolers who were doing it.
What exactly is being taught in public schools?
And I am absolutely in favor of defending the statues, with weapons if necessary.
Antifa mobs will usually back away when faced with resistance.
Outright violence need not be pursued-just the threat of confrontation the vandals weren’t expecting or wanting is enough to dissuade them.
The media will attack anyone who defends the statues as a Nazi or whatever regardless.
What exactly is being taught in public schools?
And I am absolutely in favor of defending the statues, with weapons if necessary.
Antifa mobs will usually back away when faced with resistance.
Outright violence need not be pursued-just the threat of confrontation the vandals weren’t expecting or wanting is enough to dissuade them.
The media will attack anyone who defends the statues as a Nazi or whatever regardless.
CarlManvers2019
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I think Muslims from some countries have a problem with him and Alexander The Great
And it's wrong to glorify him too. But I don't think he was really a dick for his time even, just very good at doing something anyone other ruler in his position would have done, just doing it much better.
In contrast, Columbus was bad, even by the morals of his day.
So what? He's still a scumbag who sold underage girls into sex slavery, barbarically torturing and murdering slaves, etc. Hitler let a single Jew who cared for his mother go. He's still an awful, slaving, murderous asshole. So is Columbus.
And I didn't mention the disease, because he didn't intend that. That's just a distracting point.
You do know that most of the evidence for Columbus being "evil" came from documents written by a major political enemy...
Arch Dornan
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They weren't nice to their ancestors.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Greeks have any compunctions to Turkish statues.
In those days conquerers get glorified. Some of the best get statues or busts.
Genghis can be quite a butcher. He fucked the Khwarzemid empire plenty and fucked lots of women to get many little genghis's to pop up.
Maybe one day the trend will return.
Other explorers can be quite bad too. Pizarro, Cortes and many more.
The one thing they all have in common was being an opportunist in their job to profit from the unknown world.
CarlManvers2019
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It may partially be because they’re really long ago and they just don’t fit in with the EVIL White Men narrative
Also, I doubt many people really know those guys in-detail or that people talk about their policies, war crimes and enslaving of conquered people
Charlegmane’s not unpopular in Europe, from what I can tell
Arch Dornan
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He can't be when any who hated him are all dead.
CarlManvers2019
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All long dead, at some point, he just became a name
Arch Dornan
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A name for France to use for their national mythos.
CarlManvers2019
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It's perfectly okay for whites to kill whites.....Charlemagne approves and stuff.....unless he killed ANY Muslim forces, then he's a symbol of white supremacy
They have a big problem with Alexander the Great. Historians in colleges tend to downplay how fucked up a person Alexander the Great really was. He gave a whole new name to being a fucked up person.
CarlManvers2019
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Iskander was a horrible person
There is rape and pillage a village of people. Then there is rape and pillage a village and have your best friend crucified because he dared to disagree with you being a god. Yeah Alexander did that.
CarlManvers2019
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Probably would have cut Waver to pieces had the real one been around
prinCZess
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As mentioned, the historiography on Columbus is a bit more complicated than the common revisionist picture of him as a uniquely debased and greedy dude by the standards of his time. He may have been, it's somewhat of an ongoing question for him in particular because of the uniquely...backstabby...nature of Spanish politics and exploration.
But whether it's Columbus himself enshrined in the statues is kind of the larger question--the dude was the beneficiary of some unearned 'good press' in the past both as a symbol of broad human exploratory impulse* and as an icon for Italians in America, with the latter being noteworthy because of it being a prior case of a minority group that had to fight for recognition and respect in the American cultural scene.
Why Amerigo Vespucci or Giovanni Cabot and his kid especially for North America didn't get similar treatment has always somewhat baffled me. But the 'answer' is for those folks to be getting statues of their own erected alongside Columbus (and we can add some notations about their activities in life--Columbus in particular as the one with the notable governing position and controversy--to them), not previously-erected statues being replaced because they no longer conform to the present sense of historiographical 'justice'.
*Hell, him being so blighted wrong/optimistic in his calculation of the worlds size and sticking to it despite (correct) arguments against it somewhat supports this, even.
There's also the issue that the Spanish Crown didn't actually like slavery happening in it's American colonies. It tried it's best to put a stop to or minimize it but between the distances involved and the realities on the ground (the colonies would straight up not be viable) the natives were still enslaved. So chances are when Colombus went back to Spain they just made an example of him in part to try and incentivise people to not mistreat the natives not that it worked mind you.
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Alexander is considered a folk hero in large portions of the ME.
You are not a folk hero when damn near everyone calls you The Two Horned One. And have great story telling sessions about how he slaughtered their ancestors. Ben on the ground, Read the books and saw all the documentaries on him. The only ones who are fans are those of Greek descent.
On the subject of who from Europe discovered the New World. One the Vikings were first. And Two Fisherman from the British Isles were fishing in North American waters two centuries before Columbus. Why this is not even taught in schools more is a mystery to me.