United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

Arch Dornan

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You know how it was talked about here, much earlier that the opposition to the Far Left needed stuff like Community and increased cooperation?

I think the threats of riots and property destruction are uniting people, ESPECIALLY when they look likely to wreck national monuments
How many more monuments do they want to smash? The statue of liberty? Mount. Rushmore?
 
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As much as they feel they have propaganda behind them and with as little resistance for.

The founding fathers are definitely targets-though they’d want to wait until enough propaganda has been built up demonizing them.

Same for other monuments.

It’s easy now in 2020 to go after confederate monuments-as there are few people who are going to form a ring around them. Even in the south. Those that would lack the numbers to do so.

Show resistance and they will usually withdraw. Not permanently of course, but they won’t try to take down a statue where it has dedicated defenders.
 

CarlManvers2019

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As much as they feel they have propaganda behind them and with as little resistance for.

The founding fathers are definitely targets-though they’d want to wait until enough propaganda has been built up demonizing them.

Same for other monuments.

It’s easy now in 2020 to go after confederate monuments-as there are few people who are going to form a ring around them. Even in the south. Those that would lack the numbers to do so.

Show resistance and they will usually withdraw. Not permanently of course, but they won’t try to take down a statue where it has dedicated defenders.

I think that demonizing can occur faster than one would optimistically think

They’ll just have to wait till people’s backs are turned and rush into it en masse
 

Floridaman

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I think that demonizing can occur faster than one would optimistically think

They’ll just have to wait till people’s backs are turned and rush into it en masse
The thing is when they do, what they will awaken, remember the American Civil religion was cultivated for generations to bind America together, destroying those would drive most Americans over the edge.
 

Terthna

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The thing is when they do, what they will awaken, remember the American Civil religion was cultivated for generations to bind America together, destroying those would drive most Americans over the edge.
Which is the point; except they believe the chaos will open for them a path to total domination, and that the righteousness of their cause alone is sufficient to ensure their ultimate victory.
 

Floridaman

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Which is the point; except they believe the chaos will open for them a path to total domination, and that the righteousness of their cause alone is sufficient to ensure their ultimate victory.
I think it would lead to the opposite, but I have no desire to live in that world either, a Pinochet would destroy the republic just as well as they would.
 

CarlManvers2019

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I think it would lead to the opposite, but I have no desire to live in that world either, a Pinochet would destroy the republic just as well as they would.

I don't think you even need a Pinochet to deal with them, hell, I think if people really are awakened to rage. The worst thing they may do is glare at you in such a way they show "Shut up, just buy your groceries and leave, we're not gonna put up with your shit and I'm not surrendering my guns or anything else"
 

Terthna

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I think it would lead to the opposite, but I have no desire to live in that world either, a Pinochet would destroy the republic just as well as they would.
Oh there's no doubt that they would lose; much like the German Communists, they are neither ruthless enough, nor charismatic enough, to win against the forces such chaos would unleash. Worst case scenario, they'd only pave the way for some group much like the actual Nazis to take control.

That said, America has beaten the odds before; we're one of the very few countries to be founded by a rebellion that didn't immediately devolve into a totalitarian dictatorship. Our last civil war didn't turn out too badly either; so if it comes to it, I think we might be able to avoid that fate yet again.

Although like CarlManvers2019 says, it probably won't even come to that; the regressive left are rather pathetic, despite their ambitions, and all it would really take to stop them is the rest of us together standing against them. Considering what's been happening as of late, and how desperate the regressive left have clearly become, I would not count that possibility out.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Although like CarlManvers2019 says, it probably won't even come to that; the regressive left are rather pathetic, despite their ambitions, and all it would really take to stop them is the rest of us together standing against them. Considering what's been happening as of late, and how desperate the regressive left have clearly become, I would not count that possibility out.

At worst, they can really just delay things by moving elsewhere and even then, I think as was earlier mentioned here or another thread, people are becoming more resistant or disliking of things like public schools and colleges

Hell, people NOT watching WOKE-Entertainment and looking to alternatives is a sign that even depending on people being mindless "consoomers" is a bad tactic

For now, they can just keep moving elsewhere and ruining both private and public organizations & businesses, but people find alternatives and just because something's illegal, doesn't mean they won't get it
 
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The Freikorps were comprised of veterans though. A large class of men with military experience and a...lot of anger. Anger at the democrats, the socialists, the communists, the allies, Germany’s allies.

The US has veterans, but not near enough men in cohesive enough of a structure to form an equivalent organization.

Of course the left has no red army either. Which is why we don’t have street fighting yet.

(I mean in the scale and intensity of 1920s Weimar Germany).
 

Arch Dornan

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The Freikorps were comprised of veterans though. A large class of men with military experience and a...lot of anger. Anger at the democrats, the socialists, the communists, the allies, Germany’s allies.

The US has veterans, but not near enough men in cohesive enough of a structure to form an equivalent organization.

Of course the left has no red army either. Which is why we don’t have street fighting yet.

(I mean in the scale and intensity of 1920s Weimar Germany).
They had the benefit of a world war to get a lot of veterans. Can't say what the present will offer if the die is cast.
 
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Eh it did in the south. The south was basically a colonized region under the Yankee boot. And is still very much attacked and degraded endlessly.

The economy was shattered, starvation and homelessness were everywhere.

It wasn’t bad in the north, because barring Pennsylvania and some raids it was fought entirely in the south.

The US of course as a whole prospered greatly after the war, but the south was a defeated region and was treated like one.
 

Terthna

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It's still the deadliest war America has fought.
Eh it did in the south. The south was basically a colonized region under the Yankee boot. And is still very much attacked and degraded endlessly.

The economy was shattered, starvation and homelessness were everywhere.

It wasn’t bad in the north, because barring Pennsylvania and some raids it was fought entirely in the south.

The US of course as a whole prospered greatly after the war, but the south was a defeated region and was treated like one.
My point was that it could have turned out a lot worse.
 
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Indeed it could have. The union could have actually tried to enforce the “forty acres and a mule” notion some of the more radical republicans wanted. As well as remaining longer.*

*its a common criticism today that the north didn’t finish reconstruction. Because obviously union troops there longer would have prevented the violence against freed slaves.

In fact it’s basically orthodoxy amongst progressive historians.

This ignores that a continued union occupation would have engendered even greater animosity and after all-it would have given southerners the impression they were a nation, just a defeated one.

(as an aside I got into a lot of heat on SB for this-for arguing the Dunning school wasn’t as wrong as modern historians claim).

Of course the south could have continued to wage guerrilla warfare, alongside fighting the freed blacks and unionists-turning the south into Sudan which had ongoing civil wars and ethnic violence from the time of its independence in the fifties until IIRC 2002. Imagine reconstruction era political violence going on to the 1920s. This I find very likely in a worst case “union tries to enforce reconstruction longer scenario).

The war could have developed more WW1 characteristics and became a stalemate with larger casualties.

But yes the war could have been much worse. The US so happened to be entering the height of the age of industry and capitalism after it. With the railroads, and steam power alongside a vast internal market.

It makes me question barring some mutual collapse just how bad the war could have gotten. At least due to long term economic trends.

But that is an aside on my part.

A civil war in the vein of Syria, Colombia, or Spain today-would not be so easily rectified. And would leave the country devastated, it’s power and prestige gone, it’s cities in ruins and it’s people broken.

But we are still yet far away from that outcome.
 

Terthna

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Well, to the surprise of no one, protesters are now tearing down statues of Thomas Jefferson.


The regressive left's arrogance will be their downfall, because they mistakenly believe that there's no such thing as consequences for them, and that people will support their insane ideology no matter what. While that is true of some, that number shrinks by the day.
 

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