United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

Wilykit

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I'll just say this. I'm just glad my husband has retired from being a police officer. I'm also glad my daughter and my little brother are both police officers in wealthy white suburbs. I know that may make me sound racist ( I'm actually black so I guess I can't be) but the way things are I don't care anymore. I'm just happy they don't have to deal with the crap that inner city officers do.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
Then the person hurt get's to sue the city.

It's literally a win, win, win.
Have you not been paying attention this past year? Just look at the lack of anything happening to anyone involved in the shootings in CHAZ, even to other black people. A couple of teens went joyriding in a stolen minivan and CHAZ "security" killed on and severely wounded another. You hear anything about the survivor, or families suing the city? Or the business owners who had property stolen or vandalized while that area of the city was being held hostage?
 

Cherico

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I'll just say this. I'm just glad my husband has retired from being a police officer. I'm also glad my daughter and my little brother are both police officers in wealthy white suburbs. I know that may make me sound racist ( I'm actually black so I guess I can't be) but the way things are I don't care anymore. I'm just happy they don't have to deal with the crap that inner city officers do.

Its going to get worse.

The wealthy areas will get hit last but this is a civilizational problem, my advice if your worried is find a home in the country side because the cities are going to have a rough time.
 

Vaermina

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Have you not been paying attention this past year? Just look at the lack of anything happening to anyone involved in the shootings in CHAZ, even to other black people. A couple of teens went joyriding in a stolen minivan and CHAZ "security" killed on and severely wounded another. You hear anything about the survivor, or families suing the city? Or the business owners who had property stolen or vandalized while that area of the city was being held hostage?
Actually yes, both the mother and father of the teen killed filed lawsuits against the city.



As did the business owners.

 

ATP

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I'll just say this. I'm just glad my husband has retired from being a police officer. I'm also glad my daughter and my little brother are both police officers in wealthy white suburbs. I know that may make me sound racist ( I'm actually black so I guess I can't be) but the way things are I don't care anymore. I'm just happy they don't have to deal with the crap that inner city officers do.

Good,that they are safe.From polish perspective - in commie time racist was people which commie party named so.
Since USA leftist are neocommies,they could name you as racist no matter who you are.And if they win politically,send you to Gulag or mass grave.
 
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GoldRanger

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She was moving aggressively at the girl and swinging the knife around. I'm not saying she wasn't going to stab her, but that I personally doubt it. She doesn't appear to stab the girl who gets pushed/kicked to the ground as best as I can tell from the footage, and all I can find in articles is a statement that she "tried" to stab the girl on the ground. Do you have other information? My doubt comes from the fact that if you're actually trying to stab someone at close range, they're pretty much going to get stabbed somewhere. Also from personal experience with violence, where producing a weapon and even menacing and threatening with it has more been about posturing. I also am just a bit incredulous that anyone could be stupid enough to actually stab someone in front of a cop in broad daylight, rather than just dumb enough to think that they could get away with threatening.

As I said before though, none of that is relevant to the situation as it was though. The cop can't risk someone else's life on the possibility that someone is only 80% retarded rather than 100%, and he did not have time to do anything else or more.

From looking around, it actually seems there's pretty solid consensus that it was justified. Hell, even youtube comments are largely in agreement. The biggest difference in reactions from across the political divide seems to be the language used with some saying "What a tragedy, what terrible circumstances, and let's fix the foster care system! But, cop did the right thing." (Which seems a bit naive and simplistic compared with "Cop absolutely did right, but no one will admit it, and this will cause riots!" The small number of people objecting seem to be saying he could have used another option but verbal was tried and failed, he was too far away for physical intervention and even if he'd had his taser out and pointed it's not reliable or quick enough stopping people for pink girls safety.
Are you kidding? How do you expect a police officer to analyze the situation in the split second available? It's easy to analyze the situation in minute detail weeks after the fact, from the comfort of your living room. The officer made the right choice, and that is to neutralize a violent attacker. There's nothing more to it.
 

Megadeath

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Are you kidding? How do you expect a police officer to analyze the situation in the split second available? It's easy to analyze the situation in minute detail weeks after the fact, from the comfort of your living room. The officer made the right choice, and that is to neutralize a violent attacker. There's nothing more to it.
Are you stupid? I don't expect a police officer to do any such thing, and I've said that quite clearly in every post I've made in this thread. Hell, I've said that even with the benefit of hindsight, and comfortable extended analysis, even with the doubts I have about her intentions, even if the officer somehow had all that ahead of time, he'd still be justified to take the shot and negligent not to.

Seriously, read the second paragraph of the very post you quoted. :rolleyes: Assuming you can read but were too lazy to bother, because it seems more charitable than assuming you're really too dumb for it. Though to be honest, it'd be better if you were neither so I hope you'll try harder in the future.
 

GoldRanger

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Are you stupid?

No. Thanks for asking.

I don't expect a police officer to do any such thing, and I've said that quite clearly in every post I've made in this thread. Hell, I've said that even with the benefit of hindsight, and comfortable extended analysis, even with the doubts I have about her intentions, even if the officer somehow had all that ahead of time, he'd still be justified to take the shot and negligent not to.

Then why even bother speculating on that girl's hidden intent? What does it bring to the discussion?

I'll tell you what. You're attempting to cast doubt on the validity of the cop's actions, while also weaseling out of actually stating that opinion out loud, by claiming that you totally agree that the cop did the right thing. Be a mensch and tell us what you really think of that cop's actions.
 

Megadeath

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No. Thanks for asking.



Then why even bother speculating on that girl's hidden intent? What does it bring to the discussion?

I'll tell you what. You're attempting to cast doubt on the validity of the cop's actions, while also weaseling out of actually stating that opinion out loud, by claiming that you totally agree that the cop did the right thing. Be a mensch and tell us what you really think of that cop's actions.
Jeez, you're really not improving on the dumb/lazy front. I commented on my personal opinion about her intent, that I find it hard to believe she would have stabbed her, because other people were sharing their opinion that she was going to.

That's an idiotic take, that I'm saying the cop did the right thing to hide that I secretly disagree with it. Why the fuck would I bother with that? Tell you what I really think? I think you're childishly obsessed with a tribalistic us vs them mentality that reduces every possible political interaction to a simple binary solution based on what your favourite team said because you're not equipped for anything more intellectual. As for the cops actions...

Even if we could somehow know for sure she wasn't going to stab the other girl, I'd still say that the cop did exactly the right thing based on the information he had at the time.
The cop can't risk someone else's life on the possibility that someone is only 80% retarded rather than 100%, and he did not have time to do anything else or more.
I'll reiterate again though that even hindsight isn't 20/20 in this case, we can't know for sure what would have happened, the cop was acting on very short time and what he did know, and that even with the after the fact information and my personal doubts, if I was time shifted into his place I'd still take that shot and just hope I had his marksmanship.
The cop certainly couldn't and shouldn't have been considering such though, he had to honour the threat, he tried to use words as much as he could, and when it didn't work he did the right thing.

If me repeatedly and clearly spelling out my thoughts doesn't make things clear then neither I nor anyone else can help you.
 

GoldRanger

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Jeez, you're really not improving on the dumb/lazy front. I commented on my personal opinion about her intent, that I find it hard to believe she would have stabbed her, because other people were sharing their opinion that she was going to.

That's an idiotic take, that I'm saying the cop did the right thing to hide that I secretly disagree with it. Why the fuck would I bother with that? Tell you what I really think? I think you're childishly obsessed with a tribalistic us vs them mentality that reduces every possible political interaction to a simple binary solution based on what your favourite team said because you're not equipped for anything more intellectual. As for the cops actions...






If me repeatedly and clearly spelling out my thoughts doesn't make things clear then neither I nor anyone else can help you.
You don't get it.

My point is that I don't believe you. I am calling you a liar.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
Actually yes, both the mother and father of the teen killed filed lawsuits against the city.



As did the business owners.

Well, good, but let's see what happens. I'm going to guess they'll lose. Has anyone been arrested over it? I could be wrong and just haven't heard anything about it, but I'm kind of doubting it.
 

Megadeath

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Threadban - Rule 2 civility, Rule 3 Obey the staff: You were told in a reminder to stay civil. You didn't.
You don't get it.

My point is that I don't believe you. I am calling you a liar.
I can't even begin to imagine why you think I'd do something like that, and more importantly I don't care because I don't give the tiniest shit what you think. :)
 

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