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Rahxephon

It's an unadulterated Evangelion clone to a T.
  • Alien invasion by creepy organic mecha (Angels/Dolems)? Check.
  • The nations of the world established a powerful NGO to combat them (NERV/TERRA)? Check.
  • Said organization uses their own creepy organic mecha reverse engineered from the enemy (EVAs/Vermillions)? Check.
  • Tokyo is at the center of this world ending conflict? Check.
  • Protagonist who is a wimp and is the only one who pilot the mecha to fight the aliens and whose parent turns out to be a big bad involved in a conspiracy to end the world? Check.
  • Girls inexplicably interested in this wimpy teenager? Check.
  • First half of the show is made up of episodic plots about fighting the Angel/Dolem of the week? Check.
  • Angelic aesthetics? Check.
  • Conspiracy plot dragged out for a long time and lots of playing the pronoun game? Check.
  • Up its own ass on psychology and metaphors? Also check.

I could go on.

Unlike Evangelion, Rahxephon is simply not as enjoyable to watch. It doesn't have the same level of production values in terms of art, animation, shot composition/framing, or directing. It is also digipaint and looks oversaturated compared to the cel animation of earlier anime. The moment to moment show isn't as captivating and the cast overall not as interesting or as likeable (I did like the two old commander guys. I guess the newspaper reporter who was snooping around was also interesting). No standout scenes. And so on. A very large percentage of the show's screentime is spent on navel gazing. Evangelion is often criticized for this but IIRC the navel gazing and deep thoughts about nothing were only a fraction of that show's runtime. I ended up feeling like I watched shoddy rehash of Evangelion.

The anime is too vague on the lore on the aliens. How did Ayato get alien blood? His alien mom was born to the grandpa, and I don't think he married an alien, so did the daughter get converted into an alien by the aliens? Was the evil general born an alien from the start and converted into an alien as well? What's stopping the aliens from converting all of the humans into aliens? The alien lore in Evangelion was also very vague but at least it wasn't essential to understanding the plot and character motivations like it is here.


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The show has failed to convince me of its main romance, failed to make me believe that they actually love each other. To summarize: Ayato and Haruka were school mates in Tokyo. Haruka was outside of the Tokyo when the aliens trapped Tokyo in a bubble in which time progresses six times slower than the outside world. By the time the show begins, Haruka is a 29 year old woman and Ayato is 17.

At the start of the show, it had only been 2 years since Ayato last saw Haruka. He wasn't thinking about her at all, which seems to imply that he just was never really close to her let alone romantically involved. He also doesn't seem really interested in Haruka as a person once he leaves Tokyo. He doesn't even ask her about how her life has been since she was caught outside of the bubble. In fact, he seems to spend more time talking to the two other girls, Megumi and Quon. So why does he suddenly profess love to Haruka in episode 24?

Then you have Haruka. It has been at 14 years since she last saw Ayato, and yet she is still pining for him? What? This guy doesn't remember you after two years on his end, but you're still infatuated with him after 14? I also find it hard to believe that Haruka hadn't been scooped up by another man by the time the show begins. She's attractive and she is a normal, sane woman who a normal man wouldn't be repulsed by. She isn't a drunk or an adulterous party girl like Misato from Evangelion was. I also find it weird that she would be attracted to a homeless teenager who has no job, no assets to his name, no inheritance (his alien mom seems to be rich but she's an enemy of the rest of the world. Either the aliens win and Haruka is killed or enslaved, or Tokyo is destroyed and mom's assets are confiscated by the victors), and is seen as an enemy of the world. Marrying him doesn't seem like a very secure life decision, especially when again she is surrounded by military officer who do have solid careers and have wealth and probably aren't going to be disposed by the state as soon as they have served their purpose.

I guess a point in this show's favor is that I at least managed to make it through 24 episodes, which is more than can be said for most modern anime. Would never rewatch, though.
I watched RahXephon fansubbed in one sitting when I was like, 13. I cried like a BITCH when Asahina died. The rest was kind of, well, unmemorable, I guess.
 
I watched RahXephon fansubbed in one sitting when I was like, 13. I cried like a BITCH when Asahina died. The rest was kind of, well, unmemorable, I guess.
Some of the same team that did Evangelion did RahXephno, iirc the idea was to make something similar but coherent.
 
Some of the same team that did Evangelion did RahXephno, iirc the idea was to make something similar but coherent.
Well they failed badly :V

RahXephon was an incoherent mess. I'm sure a skilled fanfic writer could've made something decent out of it, but why would anyone bother I have no idea.
 
Well they failed badly :V

RahXephon was an incoherent mess. I'm sure a skilled fanfic writer could've made something decent out of it, but why would anyone bother I have no idea.
Far more coherent than Eva IMHO, and the visuals and music are the main selling point.

But the plot is pretty much understandable, aliens invade, they use magic singing to make their probably archeotech mechs work, somehow some humans have the same because some ancient secret conspiracy was fucking with bloodlines/genetics or some such shit, to the point where the MC can rewrite the past/reality.

It is consistent internally but we don't see all the causes, just the effects.

Maybe the Mu are the same species, maybe the original Mu civilization fell and the ones we see are trying to restore it or find the genes for the more powerful "bonesingers".

Or maybe some Mu were against the ivnasion and decided to help out the humans and it got out of hand power-wise.

Pretty much a standard Super Robot anime plot.
 
Far more coherent than Eva IMHO, and the visuals and music are the main selling point.
Perhaps the issue lies with the presentation then.

Evangelion, if released today, I think would be mostly overlooked and dismissed as just a quirky anime of little note that tried too hard. However, it managed to hit that sweet spot cultural zeitgeist that launched it's popularity and fame into the stratosphere. It hit all the right notes (probably by accident), and was the pioneer that became the poster child of this kinds of shows.

RahXephon, on the other hand, is seen (arguably rightly so) as a mere copycat of a winning formula (that is Eva).

In a hypothetical AU scenario, if RahXephon was released in our wold first and Evangelion later, I can see it could've been as popular and well regarded as Eva is today.

Mind you, I'm not actually NGE fan, since I've already seen several animes before seeing that show. I think NGE is kinda an equivalent to a celebrity in the anime world - at this point, just famous for being famous. They did good work back in the day, don't get me wrong, and all well remembered for a good reason, but in this day and age the show is just... quaint, to put it lightly.
 
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Perhaps the issue lies with the presentation then.

Evangelion, if released today, I think would be mostly overlooked and dismissed as just a quirky anime of little note that tried too hard. However, it managed to hit that sweet spot cultural zeitgeist that launched it's popularity and fame into the stratosphere. It hit all the right notes (probably by accident), and was the pioneer that became the poster child of this kinds of shows.
Yeah, probably, and much of the audience would not have the attention span for it.

I mean, you can see how well the remakes are doing.

A lot of the themes and visuals were there in earlier stuff, like Ideon and Nausicaa, I think even Lain came out earlier, but it got all of the weird apocalyptic/repture stuff together with the deconstructive elements it acquired in one way or another and the combo was interesting and somewhat novel in a few ways.


RahXephon, on the other hand, is seen (arguably rightly so) as a mere copycat of a winning formula (that is Eva).
Dunno, Eva did not invent the brainfuck, maybe it applied it to anime first, but most certainly didn't invent it.

And anyway, if you have an ancient supermecha and a teenage brat pilots it as opposed to the sharpest and most capable Air force Captain/Astronaut/Green Barret/Navy SEAL then there is a logic problem that dwarfs anything else.

In a hypothetical AU scenario, if RahXephon was released in our wold first and Evangelion later, I can see it could've been as popular and well regarded as Eva is today.
Maybe, the visuals in particular were quite good, and I think a lot of people would have seen Eva as soemthing of a copycat, but I think that Eva would have gained a cult following in any continuity because:
1) Mecha deconstruction.
2) It was a massive brainfuck.
Something like that is bound to get a niche/cult audience of hypsters and people with interests in similar nuWave style fiction.
Mind you, I'm not actually NGE fan, since I've already seen several animes before seeing that show. I think NGE is kinda an equivalent to a celebrity in the anime world - at this point, just famous for being famous. They did good work back in the day, don't get me wrong, and all well remembered for a good reason, but in this day and age the show is just... quaint, to put it lightly.
Yeah, and it is also kind of a gateway drug, probably something you watch after Naruto/Fairy Tail/Bleach because it is more serious.
 
Dunno, Eva did not invent the brainfuck, maybe it applied it to anime first, but most certainly didn't invent it.
It did popularize it though, and that's what most people remember it for.

Maybe, the visuals in particular were quite good, and I think a lot of people would have seen Eva as soemthing of a copycat, but I think that Eva would have gained a cult following in any continuity because:
1) Mecha deconstruction.
2) It was a massive brainfuck.
Something like that is bound to get a niche/cult audience of hypsters and people with interests in similar nuWave style fiction.

Depends on the time it would have been published in.

If we are speaking of deconstruction in the manga / anime world, let's not look any further than Sailor Moon.

It basically pioneered the magical girl genre, it was the foundational piece that laid down all the tropes... but if the manga was published today, it would read as a deconstruction of the genre, the same way Madoka Magica is today.

I find the dichotomy here absolutely fascinating. Something that is the origin of an entire genre, turning decades later into something that would be considered as an subversion of the genre.
 
NGE might be good if Shinji wasn't such a pussy. Anytime people point out that he's only 14-15 and that'd it'd be "unrealistic" for a kid that age to be badass I have to remind them that Henry V eon the battle of Agincourt at 15 and Alexander was conquering the world at 16. Seems like everyone has forgotten that until around 100 years ago you would be considered an adult at that age.
 
NGE might be good if Shinji wasn't such a pussy. Anytime people point out that he's only 14-15 and that'd it'd be "unrealistic" for a kid that age to be badass I have to remind them that Henry V eon the battle of Agincourt at 15 and Alexander was conquering the world at 16. Seems like everyone has forgotten that until around 100 years ago you would be considered an adult at that age.
Henry V was 29 at Agincourt. He did take an arrow to the face when he was 16 ... at Shrewsbury.

Now Richard II, OTOH ... when he was 14 he suppressed a rebellion.
 
Henry V was 29 at Agincourt. He did take an arrow to the face when he was 16 ... at Shrewsbury.

Now Richard II, OTOH ... when he was 14 he suppressed a rebellion.
I don't know why I was thinking he was only 15 at that battle although it would be unsurprising for some of the soldiers there to be that age
 
It did popularize it though, and that's what most people remember it for.



Depends on the time it would have been published in.

If we are speaking of deconstruction in the manga / anime world, let's not look any further than Sailor Moon.
Um, Sailor Moon is a deconstruction?
It basically pioneered the magical girl genre, it was the foundational piece that laid down all the tropes... but if the manga was published today, it would read as a deconstruction of the genre, the same way Madoka Magica is today.
Not really a follower of Mahou Shoujo anime, but I am pretty sure there were a few of those before Sailor moon came out, Kenny Lauderdale made a few videos about some.
I find the dichotomy here absolutely fascinating. Something that is the origin of an entire genre, turning decades later into something that would be considered as an subversion of the genre.
Maybe that is how genres evolve in some cases.
First you get the new idea, the trope codifiers, rough around the edges.

Then you get the polished version of the franchise/genre.


Then you get the copycats and the variations on the theme.

Just speculating here as I know next to nothing about SM other than Ami Mizuno is best waifu.
 
Um, Sailor Moon is a deconstruction?
No, it's one of the codifiers of the genre. But, the genre evolved so much over time, that if you've read the manga this day it would feel like a deconstruction of the genre.

Just speculating here as I know next to nothing about SM other than Ami Mizuno is best waifu.
On that I can absolutely agree.
 
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No, it's one of the codifiers of the genre. But, the genre evolved so much over time, that if you've read the manga this day it would feel like a deconstruction of the genre.
The bits of it I have seen make me think that it was a lot, well, sillier than new stuff like Nanoha, which is probably the only Mahou Shoujo anime I am somewhat familiar with.

Well, I have seen Demongirl Next Door and Jahi which have some Mahou Shoujo elements as a parody.
Like a timed transformation sequence.

Oh, and panty and Stocking, got to love the stripper pole transform.

So it would be a deconstruction because it is less serious and it plays for laughs what current Mahou Shoujo plays straight?
Of that I can absolutely agree.
Heh, a bunch of scifi nerds agreeing that a nerd/bookworm is best waifu. :sneaky:
😂
 
The bits of it I have seen make me think that it was a lot, well, sillier than new stuff like Nanoha, which is probably the only Mahou Shoujo anime I am somewhat familiar with.
The anime the franchise is most well known for is quite silly yes. The manga its based on gets much darker.

Heh, a bunch of scifi nerds agreeing that a nerd/bookworm is best waifu. :sneaky:
😂
I just want her to read me mathematical theorems to my sleep like bedtime stories, is that too much to ask for? :<
 

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