What If? Galactica jumps into the middle of the Expanse Sol system.

[Husky_Khan]

Again. Debatable. But this isn't about Colonials vs Earth. This is about the Cylons vs Sol and the Cylons use much thinner armor.

Yeah Cylon Basestars seem to have much thinner armor so it stands to see if the Cylons have an advantage in wireless hacking and electronic warfare which, if not as crippling as with the original colonies, could maybe create smaller disruptions.

Cylons had a big advantage in infiltrating Humanity prior but I doubt such tricks would get much traction due to the lack of shared history and limited number of infiltration forms. Plus the Galactica are quite a boon of intelligence.

In a straight up fight the Cylons would have to find a way to close distance or jump in near to enemy formations before dumping nukes and raiders to WTFPWN the Sol System defenders. Nukes should put a decisive hurt on Sol ships as would likely even the lesser weapons but they'd still have to find a way to close distance.

That means some combination of EW (which isn't guaranteed to work on systems wholly different then what they're familiar with), some sort of tactical close in jumping and/or creating some sort of new tactics such as swarming or distractions or jumping/approaching from multiple angles or whatever.

Given the genre of "grimdark realistic SF" the two occupy, everything goes wrong, all the politicians screw things up, none of the technology will work together or be compatible except for things that make the situation somehow worse, and about 50 - 75% of the people die and a supposed "hopeful" ending is given that really involves a potential extinction level event for humanity.

Suspension of disbelief in regards to the existence of this SF series shattered due to lack of shallow lesbianic relationships detailed in this synopsis.

 

[Chiron]

Are you serious?

Yes. Colonial Ships can travel 0.16 light years within 2 to 3 days. That is 25% the speed of light. Even with inertial compensators, that acceleration would tear Expanse Ships apart. In fact any race without at least the bare minimum of artificial gravity and weapons with an impact force greater than a mass hitting at 25% of the speed of light is not going to damage Kobolian based armor.

In that light, nukes in NeoBSG are used as Casaba Howitzers to deliver high energy X-ray Lasers to weaken the armor for the conventional ordinance if not outright destroy the ship. So this takes the bulk of the B5 races out of the Equation, Battletech completely out of the equation regardless of Era, and several others. Halo is barely competitive for UNSC and the Covenant till they unlock more Forerunner Tech in which case the advantage swings decisively in their favor.

Also there is the scene of Vipers firing Stinger Analogues at Rocks. The energy in those missiles were easily equivalent to hitting the rocks with 100+ kiloton nuclear warheads and they are barely capable of hard killing a Viper and the pilot has a good chance of surviving if his suit isn't punctured.

And if Vipers' Stinger Analogues are doing that, imagine what the far larger guns and missiles on the Capital Ships are capable of. Especially the huge fuck off guns on the Cylon Colony that really did a number on Galactica which was getting visibly thrown around and flexing from the impacts and held together and rammed the Colony... An Expanse ship tries to tangle with the Colony, it gets pulled by the Blackhole and dies and the Colony simply laughs. Even if we remove the Blackhole, the fuck off guns wipe it out in a single hit.

Sorry but your analysis is simply way off base.

 

[Spartan303]

Yes. Colonial Ships can travel 0.16 light years within 2 to 3 days. That is 25% the speed of light. Even with inertial compensators, that acceleration would tear Expanse Ships apart. In fact any race without at least the bare minimum of artificial gravity and weapons with an impact force greater than a mass hitting at 25% of the speed of light is not going to damage Kobolian based armor.

In that light, nukes in NeoBSG are used as Casaba Howitzers to deliver high energy X-ray Lasers to weaken the armor for the conventional ordinance if not outright destroy the ship. So this takes the bulk of the B5 races out of the Equation, Battletech completely out of the equation regardless of Era, and several others. Halo is barely competitive for UNSC and the Covenant till they unlock more Forerunner Tech in which case the advantage swings decisively in their favor.

Also there is the scene of Vipers firing Stinger Analogues at Rocks. The energy in those missiles were easily equivalent to hitting the rocks with 100+ kiloton nuclear warheads and they are barely capable of hard killing a Viper and the pilot has a good chance of surviving if his suit isn't punctured.

And if Vipers' Stinger Analogues are doing that, imagine what the far larger guns and missiles on the Capital Ships are capable of. Especially the huge fuck off guns on the Cylon Colony that really did a number on Galactica which was getting visibly thrown around and flexing from the impacts and held together and rammed the Colony... An Expanse ship tries to tangle with the Colony, it gets pulled by the Blackhole and dies and the Colony simply laughs. Even if we remove the Blackhole, the fuck off guns wipe it out in a single hit.

Sorry but your analysis is simply way off base.

Dude...what....dude....


There is nothing in the show dialogue or on screen evidence to suggest even a tenth of that is true. Dude, NBSG is fairly low balling things on the Sci-Fi totem pole. Mass Effect regularly curbstomps them and they too are fairly low ball.

 

[Chiron]

Dude...what....dude....


There is nothing in the show dialogue or on screen evidence to suggest even a tenth of that is true. Dude, NBSG is fairly low balling things on the Sci-Fi totem pole. Mass Effect regularly curbstomps them and they too are fairly low ball.

Hand of God, Baltar states tylium has an enthalpy:

to the order of half a billion megajoules to the kilo

Galactica uses it for fuel and explosives. So one kilo of tylium has 500,000,000 kilotons of energy packed into it. Or 500 gigatons. No wonder Tigh was concerned about the fires reaching the fuel lines and igniting the fuel. When Scorpia Shipyards were hit, the Cylons went for the exposed fuel lines on docked ships undergoing refits to take them out.

Even if the Colonials for safety reasons, heavily watered that shit down for safety reasons, we are talking serious firepower and energy use that makes the 12 Colonies easily 1.9 K scale if not slightly over K2 civilizational level.

The rest is you being incapable of properly analyzing the on-screen dialogue and evidence.

 

[Spartan303]

Except we've never seen even a hint of that kind of power.

 

[King Arts]

Wow Chiron I think you are overestimated battle star galactic. I mean they are considered one of the lowest sci if since they mostly rely on conventional weapons just regular kinetic weapons but not even rails guns. The spaceship itself, the ftl and artificial gravity are the only decent showing but the weapons on the ships are low tier.

 

[Chiron]

Wow Chiron I think you are overestimated battle star galactic. I mean they are considered one of the lowest sci if since they mostly rely on conventional weapons just regular kinetic weapons but not even rails guns. The spaceship itself, the ftl and artificial gravity are the only decent showing but the weapons on the ships are low tier.

That is because most people are idiots and don't understand what they are seeing. Galactica is practically immune to most universe's DEWs, it did purposely freefall through an atmosphere taking heat energy equivalent to its own mass every second, and Hotdog's Squadron flew right through that plasma stream. Then there was the crossing through the Dense Star Cluster which subjected it and the civilians ships to a fuckload of energy every second vastly greater than what Galactica sustained in the New Caprica Free Fall by orders of magnitude.

And did I mention that Galactica survived slamming into an Ocean in the First Cylon War at terminal velocity and was submerged for a few years. That is the equivalent being hit by a UNSC Super MAC.

The 12 Colonies are the declined remnants of a K2 Civilization that was able to lift a 15 kilometer long ship off of a planetary body, remove all industrial traces from said world, and was most likely equivalent to the DAOT in 40K lore in terms of technology.

You need Forerunner or 40K grade or Star Wars grade weaponry to reliably put down Colonial Capital Ships. UNSC and Covenant are barely competitive and would likely lose due to the superior FTL technology the Cylons and Colonials inherited from the Kobolian Civilization.

As for Railguns, leaving aside the fact they are bunk that the USN has even abandoned as practical weapons, Galactica doesn't need them.

Why:

FTL technology means she engages at closer ranges and attacks can come from any angle and she needs flexible weapons with high yield explosives to create protective flak fields.

Tylium Explosives means she can save a lot of energy by not needing to charge up rail capacitators.

The heavy ECM/ECCM environment coupled with decoys that can mimic the size, weight, gravity, and density of ships till visual confirmation is gained means she has no choice but to engage at close ranges to burn through jamming and get rounds on target. This is basically what Minbari Stealth does when active.

And given the visible jump wake created by jumping, and its effect if too close to unshielded objects or within them, Galactica can accidentally destroy Expanse, Battletech, and B5 ships by jumping too close to them and seriously damage UNSC ships and knock out the shields of Covenant Ships.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

@Chiron nobody is saying Galactica and her sibs ain't tough.

Everything you're posting as evidence is pretty much the same things that have happened in lots of other sci-fi universes. Battletech warships can tank nukes as well. Star Destroyers have lived through entering an atmosphere. UNSC ships have crashed into the ground and not broken up. B5 ships will rip anything apart if a jump point forms to close to it. (Common tactic for reserves, if they have pinpoint jump capability.)

What nBSG did was to completely ignore any sense of proportion when they wrote their scripts. It makes it really hard to take what goes on in the show with any sense of scale b/c the BattleStar is just as tough as plot needs it to be. That's simply b/c the Galactica is also a main character in the show. That constant...edging of capability just tells me that a true performance scale for the Galactica was NEVER put in place on purpose.

As for the fleet and the star cluster...those civilian ships have been shown to be glass. If they survived than the Galactica wasn't ever at risk...no matter what the script said.

As for the weapons on the BattleStar...I don't think they'd ever HIT anything from any other setting simply because the rounds travel so slowly. In defense, let's take a look:
Star Trek: Phasers are stupid powerful and would carve apart the Battlestar or just neuter it by targeting all those nice external weapons. Photon Torpedos would do bad things as they are supposed to be much more powerful than nukes.
B5: Energy weapons...shitloads of them. Battlestar gets carved up at ranges it can't really reply at or it jumps in and all it's fire gets eaten up by interceptors or defensive screens. Fighter on fighter...B5 fighters stand at even or better than the Viper.
Star Wars: Shields...your weapons are useless, and your Raptors are the only thing that MIGHT threaten something like a Star Destroyer. Turbolasers will eat the Battlestar.

I'll stop there as I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong.

 

[King Arts]

That is because most people are idiots and don't understand what they are seeing. Galactica is practically immune to most universe's DEWs, it did purposely freefall through an atmosphere taking heat energy equivalent to its own mass every second, and Hotdog's Squadron flew right through that plasma stream. Then there was the crossing through the Dense Star Cluster which subjected it and the civilians ships to a fuckload of energy every second vastly greater than what Galactica sustained in the New Caprica Free Fall by orders of magnitude.

And did I mention that Galactica survived slamming into an Ocean in the First Cylon War at terminal velocity and was submerged for a few years. That is the equivalent being hit by a UNSC Super MAC.

The 12 Colonies are the declined remnants of a K2 Civilization that was able to lift a 15 kilometer long ship off of a planetary body, remove all industrial traces from said world, and was most likely equivalent to the DAOT in 40K lore in terms of technology.

You need Forerunner or 40K grade or Star Wars grade weaponry to reliably put down Colonial Capital Ships. UNSC and Covenant are barely competitive and would likely lose due to the superior FTL technology the Cylons and Colonials inherited from the Kobolian Civilization.

As for Railguns, leaving aside the fact they are bunk that the USN has even abandoned as practical weapons, Galactica doesn't need them.

Why:

FTL technology means she engages at closer ranges and attacks can come from any angle and she needs flexible weapons with high yield explosives to create protective flak fields.

Tylium Explosives means she can save a lot of energy by not needing to charge up rail capacitators.

The heavy ECM/ECCM environment coupled with decoys that can mimic the size, weight, gravity, and density of ships till visual confirmation is gained means she has no choice but to engage at close ranges to burn through jamming and get rounds on target. This is basically what Minbari Stealth does when active.

And given the visible jump wake created by jumping, and its effect if too close to unshielded objects or within them, Galactica can accidentally destroy Expanse, Battletech, and B5 ships by jumping too close to them and seriously damage UNSC ships and knock out the shields of Covenant Ships.

Now I have to let you know I only got to season 2 or 3 I forgot, but I did not watch the whole series because I heard the ending was stupid and Adama decided to return to Monke. But their are outliers in sci fi, that's why we look at common sense, and what is most frequently shown. Like we have in star wars the force unleashed Star Destroyers chilling out right next to a sun. Yet in the movies we see them get destroyed by crashing into random asteroids, which should have way less power near them then the energy of a star. But maybe incompetence or the shields were down or whatever.

 

[Chiron]

Now I have to let you know I only got to season 2 or 3 I forgot, but I did not watch the whole series because I heard the ending was stupid and Adama decided to return to Monke. But their are outliers in sci fi, that's why we look at common sense, and what is most frequently shown. Like we have in star wars the force unleashed Star Destroyers chilling out right next to a sun. Yet in the movies we see them get destroyed by crashing into random asteroids, which should have way less power near them then the energy of a star. But maybe incompetence or the shields were down or whatever.

The Iron Dense Asteroid collided at high orbital speed into an accelerating bridge structure, force equaling 2 different masses times their 2 combined accelerations did the rest coupled with poor asteroid clearing procedures.

Same thing at Scarrif when the Rebels caused a disabled Star Destroyer to collide into another Star Destroyer orbiting a planet at 20,000+ MPH with the disabled Destroyer being accelerated faster than the operational Destroyer was orbiting at.

Does no one pay attention in fucking physics class on this board?

 

[Chiron]

@Chiron nobody is saying Galactica and her sibs ain't tough.

Everything you're posting as evidence is pretty much the same things that have happened in lots of other sci-fi universes. Battletech warships can tank nukes as well. Star Destroyers have lived through entering an atmosphere. UNSC ships have crashed into the ground and not broken up. B5 ships will rip anything apart if a jump point forms to close to it. (Common tactic for reserves, if they have pinpoint jump capability.)

Battletech Ships taking a Contact Nuclear Detonation are destroyed from a combination of the energy punching through the ship at the speed of light and causing explosive decompression which also imparts lethal acceleration into the crew, leaving them chunky salsa.

Hitting the relatively soft dirt is better than hitting hard water for UNSC ships provided they still have some control to effect a hard landing as occurred on HALO.

Star Destroyers are from a near K3 Civilization, they certainly wreck Galactica.

What nBSG did was to completely ignore any sense of proportion when they wrote their scripts. It makes it really hard to take what goes on in the show with any sense of scale b/c the BattleStar is just as tough as plot needs it to be. That's simply b/c the Galactica is also a main character in the show. That constant...edging of capability just tells me that a true performance scale for the Galactica was NEVER put in place on purpose.

This argument doesn't fly.

As for the fleet and the star cluster...those civilian ships have been shown to be glass. If they survived than the Galactica wasn't ever at risk...no matter what the script said.

Or Colonial Civilian Grade materials are rated to withstand intense radiation for the few minutes they were in the star cluster and since DEWs are basically directed and concentrated radiation and heat, that means they can ignore laser weaponry whose power does not exceed what that Star Cluster put out. Kinetic strikes are a different matter as you have two masses slamming into each other with a combined force equal to their masses times their own accelerations.

As for the weapons on the BattleStar...I don't think they'd ever HIT anything from any other setting simply because the rounds travel so slowly. In defense, let's take a look:

At the ranges Galactica fights at, its not an issue, especially as its ECM/ECCM and FTL capabilities means it can force short range engagements.

Star Trek: Phasers are stupid powerful and would carve apart the Battlestar or just neuter it by targeting all those nice external weapons. Photon Torpedos would do bad things as they are supposed to be much more powerful than nukes.

Phasers were unable to destroy an Iron Dense Asteroid in one hit and it took sustained attacks over an extended period to destroy it. Star Destroyers only have to fire once. Photon Torpedoes topped out at 65 megatons from TOS and NG and are more useful if they can actually hit.

B5: Energy weapons...shitloads of them. Battlestar gets carved up at ranges it can't really reply at or it jumps in and all it's fire gets eaten up by interceptors or defensive screens. Fighter on fighter...B5 fighters stand at even or better than the Viper.

The energy weapons must first travel a distance through stellar dust and avoid degradation from the Flak Field which will be putting a lot of metal out there. Galactica's main guns are basically 2.5 meter barrels, firing shells more than twice as big as a World 2 grand slam bomb. And the secondary batteries are basically 6' guns. That is a lot of metal getting thrown out.

Even without that, Galactica has shown it can withstand energy greater than what the Young Races can throw out and it will take the punch of Shadow Clouds or Vorlon Planet Killers to do the job or a dozen of their lesser vessels to piledrive it dead.

Then there is the fact Galactica is going to activate its EW capabilities and fight on its terms. The Young Races will have to lure Galactica into a nuke trap and hit it multiple times.

 

[King Arts]

The Iron Dense Asteroid collided at high orbital speed into an accelerating bridge structure, force equaling 2 different masses times their 2 combined accelerations did the rest coupled with poor asteroid clearing procedures.

Same thing at Scarrif when the Rebels caused a disabled Star Destroyer to collide into another Star Destroyer orbiting a planet at 20,000+ MPH with the disabled Destroyer being accelerated faster than the operational Destroyer was orbiting at.

Does no one pay attention in fucking physics class on this board?

No.

 

[Harlock]

Hand of God, Baltar states tylium has an enthalpy:


Galactica uses it for fuel and explosives. So one kilo of tylium has 500,000,000 kilotons of energy packed into it. Or 500 gigatons. No wonder Tigh was concerned about the fires reaching the fuel lines and igniting the fuel. When Scorpia Shipyards were hit, the Cylons went for the exposed fuel lines on docked ships undergoing refits to take them out.

Even if the Colonials for safety reasons, heavily watered that shit down for safety reasons, we are talking serious firepower and energy use that makes the 12 Colonies easily 1.9 K scale if not slightly over K2 civilizational level.

The rest is you being incapable of properly analyzing the on-screen dialogue and evidence.

Thats the total amount of energy stored within Tylium, not the amount on energy released when Tylium is ignited as fuel. You'd need a process which extracts 100% of all total energy contained within to get those numbers which doesn't exist in any practical setting. Even antimatter annihilation doesn't give you 100% as some atoms are scattered before reacting.

In perspective Deuterium as used in conventional nuclear fusion has a total energy of 800 gigatons per kilo, so by that logic a ship with a fusion plant or using a pure fusion warhead (Such as exist in B5) would have greater power than any Colonial unit. But we know from observation this isn't true as no process of energy extraction has that level of efficiency.

What matters is not how much energy is in the fuel but how much you can practically extract and transform to a usable form. So how much is that figure? 80%? 10%? 0.1%? We've seen Tylium explosions and they are decidedly not on the scale of petatons, so the question to answer is how much energy is actually released practically, not how much is stored.


For greater perspective that means it would only take a few tons of Tylium to knock the Moon out of its orbit.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

This argument doesn't fly.

Why?

that means they can ignore laser weaponry whose power does not exceed what that Star Cluster put out.

Umm...that's blatantly false. Lasers from the younger races are frequently seen cutting through Warships with armor as capable as the BattleStar's.

At the ranges Galactica fights at, its not an issue, especially as its ECM/ECCM and FTL capabilities means it can force short range engagements.

NOTHING in the show proves that nBSG ECM/ECCM dinks the targeting software of ANYTHING but other Battle Stars and the Cylons. To assume that it will is...well, bad logic.
As for FTL Speed...Congrats, you closed. Now stay in range of what is Likely a MUCH more maneuverable vessel.

The energy weapons must first travel a distance through stellar dust and avoid degradation from the Flak Field which will be putting a lot of metal out there.

Ummm...so. Your flak is no more capable than what they younger races in B5 can throw out. Lasers still get through it to kill ships.

Galactica's main guns are basically 2.5 meter barrels, firing shells more than twice as big as a World 2 grand slam bomb. And the secondary batteries are basically 6' guns. That is a lot of metal getting thrown out.

Nice, but slow. Thus, they are easily evaded by even capital ships. Heck, EA interceptors are what made the EA completely STOP using explosive shells. None of them EVER survived to hit one of their ships. Just lost of shrapnel that doesn't do more than scuff the paint on the armor.

Galactica has shown it can withstand energy greater than what the Young Races can throw out and it will take the punch of Shadow Clouds or Vorlon Planet Killers to do the job or a dozen of their lesser vessels to piledrive it dead.

No, no it hasn't. A single Vorlon Ship or Shadow Vessel would cut the Galactica into pieces. And something like a Sharlin would do just as well. Hell, they woulnd't even need to fire. Their Jump Engines are so precise they just open a jump point on top of any BattleStar and rip it into little, tiny pieces from the energy and gravity sheer.
In regards to the younger races...It gets much more interesting on a ship by ship basis, but it's in no way a pushover battle.

Then there is the fact Galactica is going to activate its EW capabilities and fight on its terms. The Young Races will have to lure Galactica into a nuke trap and hit it multiple times.

Again, nothing says that the EW capability is ANY more effective than what any younger race can do in terms of ECM/ECCM. In fact, they younger races ALL have dedicated ELINT warships to do things like this, of which the BattleStars are decidedly not.

 

[Chiron]

Why?

Because it is a cop out and ignores the actual unscreen evidence plus logical deduction.

Umm...that's blatantly false. Lasers from the younger races are frequently seen cutting through Warships with armor as capable as the BattleStar's.

Blatantly false. Blackstar took approximately 4 kilotons of energy from a nuke hit that was far from it and was heavily damaged. The second nuke gave it ~7 kilotons of energy and destroyed it and 3 other cruisers that were offscreen according to Sheridan. Galactica took a contact nuclear detonation in the multi-megaton range to its unprotected hull that threw it into an uncontrolled lateral counter-clockwise spin for several minutes. Let that sink in for a moment, it tanked a contact nuclear detonation to its unprotected hull, not its armor plate, that was powerful enough to throw it into a uncontrolled spin despite its mass. If it didn't have inertial compensators, the entire crew would have been chunky salsa from the sheer g forces involved.

That takes B5 races aside from the First Ones out of the equation. UNSC ships of equal tonnage to Galactica would struggle to deal damage while the bigger ships would not have an assured victory.

NOTHING in the show proves that nBSG ECM/ECCM dinks the targeting software of ANYTHING but other Battle Stars and the Cylons. To assume that it will is...well, bad logic.

And nothing that it won't. Given the Kobolian Base Technology can mimic size and weight plus project a holographic false image of much more massive objects long enough to be militarily useful is a big deal in space combat which forces your opponent to figure out what is real and what is not.

As for FTL Speed...Congrats, you closed. Now stay in range of what is Likely a MUCH more maneuverable vessel.

Colonial Ships hit 25% speed of light and can easily roll along their axis in less than a second without killing the crew. EA Warships trying the circle strafing in the Battle of the Resurrection Ship would have torn themselves apart.

Ummm...so. Your flak is no more capable than what they younger races in B5 can throw out. Lasers still get through it to kill ships.

It will have been degraded and far weaker and hitting a hull designed to survive far greater energy. Try again.

Nice, but slow. Thus, they are easily evaded by even capital ships. Heck, EA interceptors are what made the EA completely STOP using explosive shells. None of them EVER survived to hit one of their ships. Just lost of shrapnel that doesn't do more than scuff the paint on the armor.

Yet Earth has all those nuclear missile silos on the sides and put railguns and missiles on the Warlocks. Reality is logistical constraints made the EA go to all DEWs with minimal KEWs while BSG's superior FTL and Logistical Services keeps its big guns fed. And given Interceptors can be overwhelmed and overheat, Galactica can simply beat down the Interceptors and then land destructive hits, assuming the shells would even be set off by the massless Interceptor bolts rather than ignore them till they detect hitting the hull plating of Younger Races ships.

Again you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what NeoBSG shows us or what other scifi franchises show us.

 

[Harlock]

The Blackstar was killed by the nuke turning the asteroid it was on into a plasma and kinetic shotgun blasting the ship at point blank. There's an argument that the crystal armour reacts poorly to kinetic impacts and that killed it. Visuals support this.


Let's get down to it, you are wrong on the energy provided by Tylium. Without that energy all your other claims collapse like a house or cards. It means your weapons which you claim use tylium explosives for power are massively weaker than you suggest. That means BSG armour can also be massively weaker as it is harmed by conventional explosives.

Unless you can demonstrate Tylium really does give all the energy you think it does there is nothing to suggest BSG is remotely close to the power you claim.

To give you some pointers, you'll need to account for how Tylium is used, the scale of the explosions we've seen (Asteroid raid, ship detonations) and why those explosions are so weak.
Might also want to look at the quantities, if the fuel is that energy dense a fistful would run a ship for years and yet fuel shortages were a plot point despite seeing substantial quantities on the refinery ship.

If you want a point by point thats fine, but unless you can show good evidence of Tylium yielding that degree of energy then nothing else matters

 

[Chiron]

The Blackstar was killed by the nuke turning the asteroid it was on into a plasma and kinetic shotgun blasting the ship at point blank. There's an argument that the crystal armour reacts poorly to kinetic impacts and that killed it. Visuals support this.

Uh no, the Asteroids did not hit the Blackstar. I have the movie on my youtube and here is the scene:

Let's get down to it, you are wrong on the energy provided by Tylium. Without that energy all your other claims collapse like a house or cards. It means your weapons which you claim use tylium explosives for power are massively weaker than you suggest. That means BSG armour can also be massively weaker as it is harmed by conventional explosives.

Utterly wrong and completely dishonest. The Vipers blew apart a Rocky Asteroid, the energy to do that was easily 100+ kilotons. Assuming it was igneous rock. If it was fully fragmented then we are looking at 200+ kiloton event. Since it was halfway between catastrophic cratering and complete fragmentation I split the baby. And that was from a Stinger analogue missile that hit dead center. And there was Baltar's factoid in Hand of God.

And lets not forget that Galactica slammed into an Ocean and rammed a massive ship many times its size, all of which subjected it to forces many orders of magnitude greater than that asteroid was.

So yeah Galactica is as powerful as I say it is.

Might also want to look at the quantities, if the fuel is that energy dense a fistful would run a ship for years and yet fuel shortages were a plot point despite seeing substantial quantities on the refinery ship.

Jumping uses a lot of Tylium, this was explained in-show and is a non-issue unless the Tylium Refinery Ship gets blown, in which case the Fleet is STL and coasts with the stellar drift.

 

[Harlock]

Uh no, the Asteroids did not hit the Blackstar. I have the movie on my youtube and here is the scene:

By all means lets take a look at the vid. What it shows is the bomb going off, the shockwave hitting the ship, the ship surviving, and then the ship exploding when the plasma of the asteroid reaches it. Nukes don't make two energy waves, just oe which we see hitting the ship, pushing the ship so it had some power behind it, and the Blackstar not exploding.

If the nuke alone had killed it then she'd have fragmented as soon as that first wave hit.

Utterly wrong and completely dishonest. The Vipers blew apart a Rocky Asteroid, the energy to do that was easily 100+ kilotons. Assuming it was igneous rock. If it was fully fragmented then we are looking at 200+ kiloton event. Since it was halfway between catastrophic cratering and complete fragmentation I split the baby. And that was from a Stinger analogue missile that hit dead center. And there was Baltar's factoid in Hand of God.

how do you know the strength and composition of the asteroid? Also if ypu are saying missiles inflicted 100kt of damage then yeah, probably, Cylon fighter missiles were circa 50kt if I recall dialogue. We can put 100kt warheads on fighter sized missiles now.
Vipers also use much smaller warhead missiles too as seen on New Caprica, so you're just telling me they can carry nukes which yeah, we know, so can Raptors and Raiders.

If they did it with guns which Minbari fighters were shown, then we're talking.


And Baltar is talking about total energy, not extractable energy. You really need to look up the difference.

And lets not forget that Galactica slammed into an Ocean and rammed a massive ship many times its size, all of which subjected it to forces many orders of magnitude greater than that asteroid was.

So yeah Galactica is as powerful as I say it is.

How much damage did Galactica take on impact? I've played that game so I know Galactica afterwards was heavily rebuilt with the pods and entire central section completely rebuilt. I can easily say it hit the sea, broke apart and had to be completely rebuilt to a modified design keeping only the front and back.
If you are saying it survived intact then I'll need more information.

Jumping uses a lot of Tylium, this was explained in-show and is a non-issue unless the Tylium Refinery Ship gets blown, in which case the Fleet is STL and coasts with the stellar drift.

Does it? How much Tylium? We've seen fighters and scouts jump so what's the minimum amount? How many joules are we talking?
Also Tylium isn't just for jumps, its used in engines too for conventional drives. Recall when Starbuck goes missing and the Pres is concerned about the fuel reserves they are burning. Burning Tylium if it is that energetic sounds a bit dangerous.

There's also the issue that if a Raptor crashed its fuel igniting could obliterate an entire continent, or a small passenger liner could be an extinction level event. Given many fully laden passenger ships were shot down in the fall and yet we see no evidence of such destruction how can Tylium be that potent?

 

[Chiron]

Except we've never seen even a hint of that kind of power.

Tell that to the two Cylon Baseships guarding the Resurrection Hub and were a fair distance away when Viper fired nukes destroyed the Hub and then the Basestars. Easily a combined force of gigatons there.

And then there was Racetrack taking out the Colony even in death. Till that point, the Colony was in stable orbit of a massive singularity and its mass would have had been in the trillions of tons. To even shift it and send it into the Singularity would have required teraton level firepower.

There is a reason the Colonies banned nuclear weapons 30 years before the First Cylon War and were reluctant to bring them back out as were the Cylons.

Those Cylons were thus using Tylium explosives on Picon in the Opening of Deadlock and were causing mushroom clouds visible from orbit.

The evidence is right in front of you in the canon lore, open your fucking eyes and pay the fuck attention.

 

[Spartan303]

Colonials use Kiloton level nukes for tactical anti-ship weapons. Same for the Cylons. This is stated in dialogue. Megaton level nukes for strategic level targets. There is nothing to suggest Gigaton level firepower. I just can't take those claims seriously.