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Children cannot consent; therefore, child porn (as in porn that has actual children in it, not just drawings or textual descriptions of them) is rape. Thus, the actual question you're asking, becomes "is rape free speech then?"; and the answer is no, no it isn't.
Though this is another of those things porn is needed for and why I defend it; it's a safety valve. With all the engineering aspects that go into such a problem, in terms of legal and social implications in the US.

As one female Japanese porn producer put it, forgot the name but was on a series called Yariman wagon or something like that. Saw it on an interview with her posted to a Discord channel. She sees it as a way to keep actual children from harm. Certain fantasies which would be crimes to commit in the real world can be expressed there through role play porn or non-live action smut.

Banning porn will never rid humanity or the US of people with those urges.

Personally I would prefer more vigorous investigation and background checks on porn studios, to keep it legit and on the level.

Age verification requirements need to be more thorough, but that is a law enforcement and bureaucratic matter. Far harder to get people steamed up over that, compared to some 'righteous' or 'just' social movement.
 
I’m not for banning pornography. I argued against banning it quite a bit when we had the threads about banning it.

That said, I don’t think that protecting pornography has the same vital importance to preserving freedom, democracy, and open inquiry that protecting the free expression of ideas has. Of course, I know that there are many forms of expression that could be called pornographic that also express ideas that need to be protected. So there are fuzzy areas and a potential slippery slope. I wouldn’t, though, say that someone is necessarily a hypocrite for being completely for freedom of speech but wanting regulations on pornography.

I wouldn’t agree with people one Gab who advocate for outlawing pornography. I think that supporting such a ban is unwise particularly for people at Gab, because people in power care way more about silencing them than limiting access to pornography. I do support Gab’s decision not to have pornography on their site though. I suspect that people who are overly upset that Gab doesn’t allow pornography are in fact more bother by what Gab does allow than what they don’t and are using this as an excuse to attack them from a libertarian angle.
 
I’m not for banning pornography. I argued against banning it quite a bit when we had the threads about banning it.

That said, I don’t think that protecting pornography has the same vital importance to preserving freedom, democracy, and open inquiry that protecting the free expression of ideas has. Of course, I know that there are many forms of expression that could be called pornographic that also express ideas that need to be protected. So there are fuzzy areas and a potential slippery slope. I wouldn’t, though, say that someone is necessarily a hypocrite for being completely for freedom of speech but wanting regulations on pornography.

I wouldn’t agree with people one Gab who advocate for outlawing pornography. I think that supporting such a ban is unwise particularly for people at Gab, because people in power care way more about silencing them than limiting access to pornography. I do support Gab’s decision not to have pornography on their site though. I suspect that people who are overly upset that Gab doesn’t allow pornography are in fact more bother by what Gab does allow than what they don’t and are using this as an excuse to attack them from a libertarian angle.

Well admittedly in the end, there is a problem for Libertarians

Contrary to shit like Bioshock makes about hypocrisy, I think the real problem is being obsessed with consistency or NOT being a hypocrite regardless of the possible consequences and the allies and opportunities lost
 
Children cannot consent; therefore, child porn (as in porn that has actual children in it, not just drawings or textual descriptions of them) is rape. Thus, the actual question you're asking, becomes "is rape free speech then?"; and the answer is no, no it isn't.
To elaborate, it's less that the pornographic videos are rape, but that they're a recording of a particularly heinous crime, easily leading into a promotion of that criminal act. Directly, and officially, tying "child pornography" to statutory rape, explicitly as having the crime itself be that of possessing the recording/depiction of the victimizing crime, would solve a lot of the issues with it. Especially the stuff with old sex-texts.

Mind, this does mean nude images of actual children that are just images of them in possibly-provacative poses would be decriminalized, but that very much is still not rape. And only marginally different in content from the situation of some child fashion shows, anyways ("swimsuit issue" examples exist), and there aren't exactly any major campaigns over those being giant piles of pedo-bait.
 
Children cannot consent; therefore, child porn (as in porn that has actual children in it, not just drawings or textual descriptions of them) is rape. Thus, the actual question you're asking, becomes "is rape free speech then?"; and the answer is no, no it isn't.
So, to be clear, a recording of a crime is the crime it is a recording of?
 
Same as outright openly making an assassination order or bounty in public with money being an actual reward
Yyyeah, unfortunately that has been ruled to be "free speech" and covered by the first amendment. However, seeing as the bounty was "500 dollars for every dead ICE agent" and the judge was from Massachusetts, a demorat-infested state, I am suspect of such a ruling.

Who knows, maybe they will use this to smear the first amendment as bad. Wouldn't be the first time they present a precedent they created as bad.
 
Yyyeah, unfortunately that has been ruled to be "free speech" and covered by the first amendment. However, seeing as the bounty was "500 dollars for every dead ICE agent" and the judge was from Massachusetts, a demorat-infested state, I am suspect of such a ruling.

Who knows, maybe they will use this to smear the first amendment as bad. Wouldn't be the first time they present a precedent they created as bad.

Probably gonna defend that as “Just a Joke” then get pissed when the other does it
 
Which would be obvious to most people that it doesn't.
"Theres no such thing as a rhetorical question, obvious questions cant point out the faulty logic of overly sweeping statements"
God could you like, try, a little, my guy?


If a child was raped so it could be recorded and the video sold, then the video is just as criminal as the act itself.
Same as outright openly making an assassination order or bounty in public with the actual money being an actual reward
So, to be clear, there are exceptions to what you should and should not be able to post online, i.e. exceptions to free speech.

I agree.
 
Contrast that to the current year's typical politically involved woman:
a) Legions of young women ready to support any cause, no matter how idiotic, if only it manages to hijack their nurturing instinct,make them feel good about themselves and look like "saving the world". Go to any Greenpeace protest, pride parade or "refugees welcome" march and you will see them, in great numbers.
b) At least middle aged, usually childless feminist, usually with a lifetime of academic, government or political career behind her. Often result of remaining in the former group long enough.
c) Corporate careerwomen who, more or less, get paid for saying the right things, and would get in more or less trouble if they didn't. They do like avoiding trouble.

If you exclude these groups, and women who belong to ethnic groups that have vested interests in the left's group favoritism or immigration policy, it turns out that the rest of women doesn't favor the left that much. Many, even the left have noticed that.
"If you exclude young women, women with jobs, and women who are members of different ethnic groups, the majority of women lean right" isn't exactly an amazing observation.
 
So, to be clear, a recording of a crime is the crime it is a recording of?
The child porn recording would not exist without the rape (or at the very, least sexual assault) of a child having been committed.

"Theres no such thing as a rhetorical question, obvious questions cant point out the faulty logic of overly sweeping statements"
God could you like, try, a little, my guy?




So, to be clear, there are exceptions to what you should and should not be able to post online, i.e. exceptions to free speech.

I agree.
In other words, you think raping children is a form of speech. I worry about your mindset.
 
I really wonder how there are any outliers amongst women or women who were already fans and complain just like the men when it comes to SJWism

Maybe it’s because men and women are different, but there are exceptions

I can see why/how responsibility would scare and piss em off alongside actually truly being in a relationship

I wouldn’t count most Japanese women to be WAHMEN, most Western women? Sure
Where did you ever get the impression that non-western women are any different?

 
I think this thread is laboring under a misconception of what a societal "ban" on porn would entail. It's impossible to completely eradicate pornography, but officially "banning" it would still be useful in creating a stigma against it and suppressing it to some extent. It raises the cost to peel off marginal consumers. This is, when you think about it, the way we treat other crimes. We have set the cost of murder as high as we can, but some people still “consume” that solution to their problems.

I for one think it would be better (but still not good) for prostitution to be legal and pornography illegal than the other way around. But we should consider why that would be true, and why we don't live in a world like that. Simply put: the porn industry is more useful to our overlords than legalized prostitution ever would or could be.

By "our overlords," I'm referring to the totalitarian techno-oligarchy hiding behind a facade of woke leftism that, if it needed a name, we might call Liberal-Consumerism. There’s not even a competition, there’s no ideology, there’s nothing else.

In strict usurious terms “Companies” are entities for "creating" money, as much money as possible and preferably using resources owned by other people. Out of 100 biggest Multinational Companies, 52 are American, 20 Chinese, 5 British etc.

The other is target/the enemy they want dead (the dead don’t compete for natural resources, markets etc) but also to buy products and relinquish as much resources as possible before they keel over through poison, stress, debt, infertility etc. But why kill the consumer? Because there’s more where that came from, so many global millions clamoring to become middle class. The current middle class is too pushy in the eyes of globalists and is slated for dilution and eradication— once as much profit as possible is extracted, of course. So the social goal of these totalitarian Consumerists is to create a better, more pliable consumer. Someone along the lines of this guy.

Pornography is the perfect vice for keeping the uppity middle class subservient. It's passive, it distracts and humiliates the consumer, nobody likes talking about it so it can go unremarked upon for long periods of time, it’s easy to reproduce and disseminate, it creates addiction, and it’s a revenue stream easy to stack into large centralized systems with way less people involved.

Prostitution, by contrast, is counter-productive for the Consumerist's aims. It creates small-scale competition, it involves more people and more independent systems, it’s a superior product (in the same way that eating a cookie is superior to eating a drawing of a cookie), it can’t be reproduced, it doesn’t stack, it doesn’t centralize, doesn’t integrate vertically, doesn’t streamline well, etc.

Where’s that Feminism to argue for the latter? You see there’s no ideology on the other side, there’s just the GloboHomoCorp and Usury. Big Tech, the power-multiplier of the few, will compound that problem going forward. The loyalty of the Boomers was bought with the short-term fruits of Consumerism, but now with AI on the horizon, the Consumerist technocrats are looking at us normal people like horses due for the glue factory.
 
Where’s that Feminism to argue for the latter? You see there’s no ideology on the other side, there’s just the GloboHomoCorp and Usury. Big Tech, the power-multiplier of the few, will compound that problem going forward. The loyalty of the Boomers was bought with the short-term fruits of Consumerism, but now with AI on the horizon, the Consumerist technocrats are looking at us normal people like horses due for the glue factory.

Big Tech may put a lot of power in the hands of a few superficially, but that power could easily be taken away from them.
None of that hardware runs itself.
 
...I'm still yet to see any distinguishing between porn and fantasizing...

And, to be totally honest, I had weirder fantasies before I found porn than after. After it tended to involve actual sex, before... well... Hall of Stasis was a thing I'd come up with before I really had a clear idea what naked bodies looked like.
 

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