Gab Shows its True Color

Look for more of this in the future. There is a growing awareness among nationalists that sexual degeneracy is a serious problem, one that lolberterian idealism fails to address. Now that the logical conclusion of the LGBTP movements is approaching, with the sexualizing of pre-pubescent children via "transgenderism" this should be obvious. It was a slippery slope all along. At bare minimum, we don't want that shit around us, and we will encourage the spaces we fund to drive it out.

The American idea of free speech was centered around political speech, speech suppressed because it was inconvenient to rulers. It was not about pornography until the degenerate modern era. Imagine trying to run that game on our founding fathers, claiming that a man is entitled to produce video recordings of adulterers fornicating and distribute it far and wide? They would laugh their assess off until they realized he was serious. Then he'd be run out of town.
 
I understand that Gab may decide that it doesn't want to be the kind of place for a particular degree of spiciness, obscenity, shitposting or whatever...
There are places for semi-formal debate, there are places for child or workplace friendly stuff, there are places for light shitposting, there is 4chan, and there are places that make 4chan look tame, and i for one am not against any of these types of places existing, all have their own role, and i won't hold it against any place that it declares itself as one of these types, it's no loss for freedom of speech.
But that's not what irks people in this debacle i think.
There is a fundamental difference between "this is not the place for X" and "there should be no place for X" that the view on "sexual degeneracy" presented above implies.
Sure, if you are a socially conservative Christian (or follower of any other Abrahamic religion really) it probably makes a lot of sense in the context of your worldview, i won't argue otherwise.
The thing is, other people don't share the basis of such reasoning, and as such it makes no sense for them, and that argument is empty for them.
The funny thing about this storm in a teacup is, that Gab didn't need to start this controversy. It could have used the justification i have explained earlier. But they have chosen to start a morality debate instead.
Alathon said:
The American idea of free speech was centered around political speech, speech suppressed because it was inconvenient to rulers. It was not about pornography until the degenerate modern era. Imagine trying to run that game on our founding fathers, claiming that a man is entitled to produce video recordings of adulterers fornicating and distribute it far and wide? They would laugh their assess off until they realized he was serious. Then he'd be run out of town.
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Considering when obscenity laws were introduced in USA, i would not hazard such a statement, doesn't seem like they were the ones introducing them. And they were in fact introduced before the "degenerate modern era", one can fit plenty enough obscenity in still images, or even text.
 
Trying to ban porn is trying to limit people's access to information; it's as simple, and as futile, as that.

Even if moralistic busybodies are unlikely to consider 'porn' to be information, it still is, and trying to ban porn will bring far, far worse ills to society that tolerating it will. You would need to effectively kill the US Constitution to enact a ban in the US, and no politician worth their salt will die on that hill either.

This all seems very much like:
Marduk said:
There is a fundamental difference between "this is not the place for X" and "there should be no place for X" that the view on "sexual degeneracy" presented above implies.
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Yeah, and it's why those of us in the center are glad they are such a rare and powerless breed.

We know they would strip away all our civil liberities in pursuit of a more 'pure'/'righteous'/'holy' soceity. Porn is but the first 'low hanging fruit' they would go after.
 
There are places, so I've heard, on the Internet where one can access pornography. Not having pornography on Gab isn't going to impede anybody's ability to access porn, in fact I'm guessing that if you want to post porn on Gab it has more to do with a desire to make mischief than sate your sexual desires.

Gab exists for a very specific purpose, to be a platform for freedom of speech, where ideas can be expressed that are banned in nearly every other location in an age where free speech rights are increasingly being attacked by both big government and big business. Expecting Gab as a platform to undermine that goal to support porn, when it's available just about everywhere else, is the real hypocrisy - not the fact that Gab bans it.
 
There is no BUT in Free Speech

The Moral/Religious-Right will have to fight and deal with the Libertarian/Economic/EntertainmentLoving-Right

It’s these guys I think were part of why the Left in Entertainment was more “Stick It To The Man” before SJWism made them decide to also be about “growing up”

After dealing with the Regressive Left, the remaining saner Leftists and the Libertarian/Economic/Entertainmentloving-Right will/should team up

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Then talk about which waifu is better
 
Alathon said:
Look for more of this in the future. There is a growing awareness among nationalists that sexual degeneracy is a serious problem, one that lolberterian idealism fails to address. Now that the logical conclusion of the LGBTP movements is approaching, with the sexualizing of pre-pubescent children via "transgenderism" this should be obvious. It was a slippery slope all along. At bare minimum, we don't want that shit around us, and we will encourage the spaces we fund to drive it out.

The American idea of free speech was centered around political speech, speech suppressed because it was inconvenient to rulers. It was not about pornography until the degenerate modern era. Imagine trying to run that game on our founding fathers, claiming that a man is entitled to produce video recordings of adulterers fornicating and distribute it far and wide? They would laugh their assess off until they realized he was serious. Then he'd be run out of town.
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Imagine if you tried to argue that slavery should be abolished, or that women should be allowed to vote; I'd imagine you'd get the same response. That's not a valid argument though.

Yes, there will always be those of an authoritarian nature who will seek to impose their ideology on others, no matter how flimsy the justification, and ultimately those on the right are no different from those on the left; the only difference is the latter happens to be ascendant at the moment. One day, I fully expect the pendulum to swing; and when it does, many alliances that have been forged in response to the rise of the regressive left will be broken in response to the rise of the alt-right, or whatever we end up calling the next group seeking power and control.



ShieldWife said:
There are places, so I've heard, on the Internet where one can access pornography. Not having pornography on Gab isn't going to impede anybody's ability to access porn, in fact I'm guessing that if you want to post porn on Gab it has more to do with a desire to make mischief than sate your sexual desires.

Gab exists for a very specific purpose, to be a platform for freedom of speech, where ideas can be expressed that are banned in nearly every other location in an age where free speech rights are increasingly being attacked by both big government and big business. Expecting Gab as a platform to undermine that goal to support porn, when it's available just about everywhere else, is the real hypocrisy - not the fact that Gab bans it.
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It's not just them setting rules on what can and cannot be put on their platform that's the issue; there's always going to be certain ground rules present. Rather, it's their support of the crusade to ban porn everywhere that elevates their behavior to being egregiously hypocritical, considering their supposed support of freedom of speech.

In short, if you are not willing to defend speech you despise, you don't support freedom of speech; and the people at Gab clearly do not intend to defend speech they despise.
 
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Terthna said:
In short, if you are not willing to defend speech you despise, you don't support freedom of speech; and the people at Gab clearly do not intend to defend speech they despise.
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Consistency with your Principles even with your enemies and in grave danger, is a principle to be valued.

Just like how the MC of Travis J Corcoran told his Mormon ally/busines partner to fuck off and allow the casino to keep doing it’s “immoral” yet nonharmful business even if it meant he would lose allies when Earth would invade and ban all of them

Libertarian Right VS Moral/Religious Right, the latter are the SJWs right leaning counterpart predecessors just waiting for the opportunity to take back power over media

Unfortunately the first loves T&A and should tell them to fuck off.

Freedom of Speech & Commerce & Self-Defence(&bearing arms)>”Freedom” not to be “corrupted” or “tempted” by “immoral” yet nonharmful sex, alcohol,violence&gambling
 
The “Yammerheads” as they are called in Robert A. Heinlein’s The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress regardless of where they lie in the political spectrum want to interfere with everything

Don’t let them
 
Terthna said:
Imagine if you tried to argue that slavery should be abolished, or that women should be allowed to vote; I'd imagine you'd get the same response. That's not a valid argument though.
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Oh? Permitting females to vote was one of the cardinal failures of the west, a blunder that kicked off more than a century of females voting to have the Momma's Boys In Blue seize the assets of value-generating males and transfer it to females.. and to damned near anybody other than hard-working men. Look to Sweden to see the end-game of female authority -- an entire people dying, while female refugee activists spread their legs for whoever will fuck them hard enough that they feel conquered.
 
Alathon said:
Oh? Permitting females to vote was one of the cardinal failures of the west, a blunder that kicked off more than a century of females voting to have the Momma's Boys In Blue seize the assets of value-generating males and transfer it to females.. and to damned near anybody other than hard-working men. Look to Sweden to see the end-game of female authority -- an entire people dying, while female refugee activists spread their legs for whoever will fuck them hard enough that they feel conquered.
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Dude, I don’t blame women for that, It’s WAHMEN who have the real fucking problem

They want to keep on “fighting the revolution” and are uncomfortable and too cowardly to fight actual victimization or an actual mysogynistic patriarchal society because Hollywood didn’t prepare or tell them about Sharia Law

Fanservice or open appreciation of the female form did not make the butchification of female characters, it’s WAHMEN being real fucking jealous of Women who look way better than them

It’s not casual joy and tolerance that lead to this regression

It’s narcissism and pure jealousy, narcissism to pretend to be a revolutionary and pure jealousy of actually attractive ladies so they try to break body standards whilst still being jealous as fuck
 
Alathon said:
Oh? Permitting females to vote was one of the cardinal failures of the west, a blunder that kicked off more than a century of females voting to have the Momma's Boys In Blue seize the assets of value-generating males and transfer it to females.. and to damned near anybody other than hard-working men. Look to Sweden to see the end-game of female authority -- an entire people dying, while female refugee activists spread their legs for whoever will fuck them hard enough that they feel conquered.
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Suffice to say, I do not agree with your assessment, nor your position. You cannot blame women getting the vote for all our problems; to do so just makes you look like a bigot.
 
I agree with Alathon. While modern feminists have gone completely insane, it has been the supposed moderate policies supported by female voters for nearly a century that has undermined the family, gender relations, sexual morality, and the traditional gender roles that make civilization possible.

Society would have been far better off if we had never gotten the vote.
 
Terthna said:
The sad thing is, they are; to a certain extent at least. There are people on our side who are thoroughly disgusting excuses for human beings; but the difference is we denounce our worst elements, while the regressive left seems to prefer to ignore, if not outright embrace, theirs.
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The worst latch onto us, it’s up to us to remove them ourselves
 
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