Free Speech and (Big Tech) Censorship Thread

Cherico

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Acting like you don’t exist helps people talk about their narratives


“Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy, but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril.”. ―. tags: peace, strength-of-spirit. (sun tzu)

This is why I think the SJW movement is doomed long term.

Its a movement where there is a whole lot of self deception, which is the worst form of deception. Second in their demonzation of every one who disagrees with them they end up forgetting how to understand their enemies. As they continue to censor their enemies who grow because of their nature they know less and less.

Meanwhile they publically broadcast their actions and as they grow more and more arrogant the mask of civility drops more and more. They give up their game plans, they brag about purposly destroying peoples jobs on twitter and face book they do not understand themselves or their enemy.

When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard. (Sun Tzu)

Their need to have dominace to attack people even after they apologize means that you cant surrender you cant apease them most people dont want to face down crazed outrage mobs but the same tactic used again and again shows that you have no choice but to stand up to them and band with what ever allies you can. They create the hardened coalition that will defeat them.


Now lets compare tactics

f your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is tempermental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.


Trump as much as he irratates me on a personal level understands that the enemy is tempermental hence the trolling.

The trolling is meant to also deprive them of rest to keep them attacking and attacking until they run out of resources.

Unity? Thats already been shatterd by the bernie bro/ establishment fight.



Its a movement thats attacking everything around it like a rabid dog, a movement that bleeds money and support that is doomed to fight amongst itself. Its going to take time but the tide is going to turn.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Unfortunately, the one problem is that I am pretty sure that idiocy is easier and has less limits than even average intelligence

There will come future generations of so called “rebels” and people who are doing “change for the sake of change” and spitting on even people enjoying fanservicey comicbooks and gather followers around em
 

Cherico

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Unfortunately, the one problem is that I am pretty sure that idiocy is easier and has less limits than even average intelligence

There will come future generations of so called “rebels” and people who are doing “change for the sake of change” and spitting on even people enjoying fanservicey comicbooks and gather followers around em

Those same people are already turning on each other for petty bullshit and imagined slights, that process is accelerating. Movements like that at first collapse slowly then all at once and I see a whole bunch of cracks and weakness's already.
 

LordsFire

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Those same people are already turning on each other for petty bullshit and imagined slights, that process is accelerating. Movements like that at first collapse slowly then all at once and I see a whole bunch of cracks and weakness's already.

We don't know for sure when the breaking point will be, but the 2020 election seems likely.

If Biden is locked in after today, I'd rate the Dems chances of winning, as about the same as Trump being assassinated before the election. Possible, but incredibly unlikely. Not that Sanders chances are much better, but at least he's mentally functional.

If Trump wins, some people are seriously going to lose their shit.
 

Abhorsen

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If Biden is locked in after today, I'd rate the Dems chances of winning, as about the same as Trump being assassinated before the election. Possible, but incredibly unlikely. Not that Sanders chances are much better, but at least he's mentally functional.
Nope. I'm pretty sure Biden is favored over Trump. Look at the betting markets, Sanders' fall in the democratic primary lead to Trump falling from a 55% chance of winning to a 50% chance of winning.
 

Duke Nukem

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Nope. I'm pretty sure Biden is favored over Trump. Look at the betting markets, Sanders' fall in the democratic primary lead to Trump falling from a 55% chance of winning to a 50% chance of winning.

Presidents are selected so who knows who will be president this year.
 

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Are those the same prognosis that gave hillary 90% before the election.
Nope. Betting markets are consistently the most accurate predictors of events, for much the same reason that markets give the best price. While 538 was giving a 90% with its statistics, PredictIt was estimating at about 70% on average, spiking at 80% the day of. Basically, this means PredictIt was 20% better than 538.

Look at the 90 day run for this:
 

LordsFire

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Nope. Betting markets are consistently the most accurate predictors of events, for much the same reason that markets give the best price. While 538 was giving a 90% with its statistics, PredictIt was estimating at about 70% on average, spiking at 80% the day of. Basically, this means PredictIt was 20% better than 538.

Look at the 90 day run for this:

That's nice; the fact that Biden has gone from 'makes gaffes' to 'gaffe machine,' to 'doesn't even sound coherent' carries a lot more weight than whatever betting source you're going with.

The fact that, running unopposed as an incumbent, Trump has been pulling in more Primary voters than the Democratic candidates carries more weight.

The high odds that a lot of Bernie supporters will absolutely refuse to vote Biden, just as they refused to vote Hillary, carries more weight.

The Walk Away movement, the number of people of conservatives who wouldn't vote on Trump when he was a wild card but will now, the erosion of the power of the MSM, these things all matter.

Trump has huge numbers of new things going for him since the 2016 election, and about the only new thing he has going against him, is that he's not as fiscally conservative as a lot of us would like. That's not enough to counterbalance everything.
 

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That's nice; the fact that Biden has gone from 'makes gaffes' to 'gaffe machine,' to 'doesn't even sound coherent' carries a lot more weight than whatever betting source you're going with.

The fact that, running unopposed as an incumbent, Trump has been pulling in more Primary voters than the Democratic candidates carries more weight.

The high odds that a lot of Bernie supporters will absolutely refuse to vote Biden, just as they refused to vote Hillary, carries more weight.

The Walk Away movement, the number of people of conservatives who wouldn't vote on Trump when he was a wild card but will now, the erosion of the power of the MSM, these things all matter.

Trump has huge numbers of new things going for him since the 2016 election, and about the only new thing he has going against him, is that he's not as fiscally conservative as a lot of us would like. That's not enough to counterbalance everything.
I'm not saying he's going to lose. He has a 50% shot of winning. I'm just saying he has a worse chance than against Biden. If you think that him having a 50/50 shot verse Biden is low, then bet it up.
 

Terthna

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If Biden does become president, you can expect the biggest push yet seen from the left to, among other things, abolish freedom of speech as a concept; after all, they cannot allow something like Trump to happen again.
 

LordsFire

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I'm not saying he's going to lose. He has a 50% shot of winning. I'm just saying he has a worse chance than against Biden. If you think that him having a 50/50 shot verse Biden is low, then bet it up.

Just yesterday I was seriously thinking about putting a real chunk of money on a 'gamble' for the first time in my life.

And yeah, I don't think odds are anywhere near 50%. I think odds are 90%+ of a Trump landslide, but until we get to October, we don't know what new developments will be coming, so odds don't really matter until that point.
 

Terthna

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Just yesterday I was seriously thinking about putting a real chunk of money on a 'gamble' for the first time in my life.

And yeah, I don't think odds are anywhere near 50%. I think odds are 90%+ of a Trump landslide, but until we get to October, we don't know what new developments will be coming, so odds don't really matter until that point.
Biden hasn't even had to debate Trump yet; that's going to tank his probability of winning almost entirely, in my opinion.
 

CarlManvers2019

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If Biden does become president, you can expect the biggest push yet seen from the left to, among other things, abolish freedom of speech as a concept; after all, they cannot allow something like Trump to happen again.

But they won't outright say they're abolishing the 1st amendment
 

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Just yesterday I was seriously thinking about putting a real chunk of money on a 'gamble' for the first time in my life.

And yeah, I don't think odds are anywhere near 50%. I think odds are 90%+ of a Trump landslide, but until we get to October, we don't know what new developments will be coming, so odds don't really matter until that point.
The thing about PredictIt is that you can sell your bet if it becomes more likely. It's more like a stock market. So if you think it's higher, or if you think that other people would put it higher, then bet on Trump, wait for the price to go up, then sell before something major happens.
Biden hasn't even had to debate Trump yet; that's going to tank his probability of winning almost entirely, in my opinion.
Yup. I bet against Bloomberg just before the debate, I'll do the same with Biden just before his debate with Trump.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Yup. I bet against Bloomberg just before the debate, I'll do the same with Biden just before his debate with Trump.

That assumes that people will be watching or seeing the same thing in debates, I think you guys still got a strong democrat voterbase everywhere and they can get illegal migrants to vote en masse
 

Tryglaw

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This here makes for interesting read, on the Sovietization of America.


Sourced from here:


Both very much recommended.
 

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