Forcesubb Brotherhood of Steel with Mechanicus (Operation Sunburst)

Scooby Doo

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More armored how?

The Mechanicus has access to far more advanced armor, and even if laser rifles from FO are impressive in some ways I don't think they hold a candle to the performance of more advanced Warhammer tech.

Remember that the IG flashlight is an equivalent damage wise to an anti-material rifle, like some of the truly big guns we see later on in FO:NV.
Don't recally their exact names but one was definitely an anti-material rifle.
Irc more armored in the form of T-51 which got retconned to scale above the T-60 which no sells laser rifle fire which is already superior to the Guardsmen Las Rifle by a significant degree. (The Fallout Laser pistol does the same thing that the Guardsmen Rifle does)


Needless to say the NCR is packing a ridiculous amount of fire power and ordinance to take down dozens of T-51 users. Comparatively speaking the Skitaari aren't as well armor and the Skitaari Rangers heads have little to no armor making them vulnerable to headshots.

Altho the Vanguard are way better armored I don't think they can take several mag dumps of Service Rifle ammo without serious harm and or death
 

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Irc more armored in the form of T-51 which got retconned to scale above the T-60 which no sells laser rifle fire which is already superior to the Guardsmen Las Rifle by a significant degree. (The Fallout Laser pistol does the same thing that the Guardsmen Rifle does)


Needless to say the NCR is packing a ridiculous amount of fire power and ordinance to take down dozens of T-51 users. Comparatively speaking the Skitaari aren't as well armor and the Skitaari Rangers heads have little to no armor making them vulnerable to headshots.

Altho the Vanguard are way better armored I don't think they can take several mag dumps of Service Rifle ammo without serious harm and or death
Dude, there is quality and there is quantity.

You really can't compare the stopping power of a bronze breast plate with that of kevlar armor.

The same is true for Ceramite and the other high tech materials that make up Skitarii Armour and the FO power armor after hundreds of years of sub-par maintenance and wear and tear.
 

Husky_Khan

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NCR Heavy Troopers don't possess power armor that has been subjected to hundreds of years of subpar maintenance and wear and tear. They were captured from the Brotherhood in the NCR-Brotherhood War which took place like a few decades earlier (and clearly was still going on in New Vegas specifically as well). Plus the NCR Heavy Troopers were considered the elite forces of the NCR military in some respects. General Lee Oliver thought more highly of them than even the totally badass NCR Veteran Rangers and had them as his bodyguard unit. They were the ones stationed to guard important installations and the filthy rich interests of people back in the New California Republic before being deployed to Hoovers Dam. There's no reason to assume that of all of the components in the NCR military, the NCR Heavy Troopers would be neglected.

Unless we're alleging the Brotherhood of Steel 1) Engaged in subpar maintenance of the Power Armor despite practically making technology their obsession with Powered Armor being the pinnacle of their secular worship and 2) that the Brotherhood hasn't rebuilt/refurbished or built new suits of Power Armor since we have special variants of Power Armor both for the Brotherhood of Steel, as well as factions like The Enclave and even the Shi from Fallout 2 (who likely became part of the NCR AFAIK).
 

Bassoe

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The admech can hold off the NCR in a siege by shooting anything approaching the building with plasma weaponry which ought to one-shot anything the NCR's fielding as infantry, but will eventually run out of ammunition. Or in other words, the NCR could take the building if they were willing to die to expend the enemy's ammo, but they probably aren't that motivated.

Maybe try and herd* some mutated Capital Wasteland wildlife in the general direction of the admech forces as disposable bullet sponges?

* Read, get to chase you, then run toward the admech lines yourself.
 

Scooby Doo

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Dude, there is quality and there is quantity.

You really can't compare the stopping power of a bronze breast plate with that of kevlar armor.

The same is true for Ceramite and the other high tech materials that make up Skitarii Armour and the FO power armor after hundreds of years of sub-par maintenance and wear and tear.
Idk man T-51 power armor is maintained by the Brotherhood and they typically wear it in 100% condition it's also at the very least with low ball compared to Carapace armor but far better coverage and bullet proof lenses to small arms fire.

The Skitaari Rangers are going to be less armored than the Vanguards and Vanguard armor doesn't seem like it has full body coverage so there's a chance of the bullets either eventually breaking the integrity of the armor or deflecting into a gap and wounding the Vanguard.

Not saying it'd be easy but it's gonna be like at minimum 300-900 rounds a minute heading down range per Vanguard.

The admech can hold off the NCR in a siege by shooting anything approaching the building with plasma weaponry which ought to one-shot anything the NCR's fielding as infantry, but will eventually run out of ammunition. Or in other words, the NCR could take the building if they were willing to die to expend the enemy's ammo, but they probably aren't that motivated.

Maybe try and herd* some mutated Capital Wasteland wildlife in the general direction of the admech forces as disposable bullet sponges?

* Read, get to chase you, then run toward the admech lines yourself.
Ehh I wouldn't think they'd be hesitant about that.


The NCR packed some serious numbers, they outnumbered the BOS 15 to 1. And the entire chapter was there (But half was wiped during the battle) if we look at the amount present in the bunker that gives us a figure of 20 something (including scripted events and dead bodies found on sent out missions) which would put us a minimum of 40 BOS mbrs at Helios and thus minimum 600 NCR combatants and keep in mind they'd all be equipped with weapons that could one shot the NCR anyway.


So either way it'd be a bloodbath, Skitaari have a way better accuracy advantage but they have less numbers and have more squishier members.
 

Husky_Khan

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Oh man... I totally misread the OP and thought the AdMech were attacking the NCR at the Helios Post.

I thought it was very weird that the roles of the combatants was flipped but I didn't ask why...
 

Scooby Doo

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Oh man... I totally misread the OP and thought the AdMech were attacking the NCR at the Helios Post.

I thought it was very weird that the roles of the combatants was flipped but I didn't ask why...
Oh no I meant AdMech are defending, the Tech Priest is substituting the Elder and trying to activate Helios.
 

Husky_Khan

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Well without sounding munchy as heck, the location of Helios One actually seems to fair the attacker as opposed to the defender because its literally surrounded almost completely by hills on all four sides of the facility. Whenever they talked about the NCR swarming over the Brotherhood at Helios One I imagine the poor Brotherhood Paladins and Knights getting dinged on by a literal mosquito swarm of NCR troopers taking shots at them from the hills. One of the Brotherhood Paladins mentioned the NCR had more troopers then ammunition but it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of that ammunition and power packs were expended just trying to keep the NCR off the nearby heights.

Even just using the in game mechanics, having forty or so Paladins trying to fend off a few hundred bog standard Troopers would be a nightmare. People on YouTube do NPC battles all the time. Paladins will get mowed down by ten or twenty Service rifles firing at them simultaneously.

Add in the NCR Rangers, especially the scary Veteran ones with Anti-Material Rifles and things would be a very bad day for the defenders in the open.

In this case, the Skiitarii might actually serve to do better by trying to hold and barricade themselves within the facility. At least then they can narrow down the numbers since there's only so many entry points. However I would imagine sharpshooters from the hills could still keep anyone off of the Solar Tower and the Solar Panel field could easily be overrun. Plus I'm not sure the Vanguards could fit through the doors. Oh well. Regardless it'd be a Siege situation and Helios One didn't seem to have much in the way of supplies. But then again being cyborgs might be a benefit in that regard.

A siege situations main disadvantage for the Defense would be the NCR being able to choose the time and place of attacking or breaching the building. Plus they can still pin down the defenders. There's at least three entrances IIRC and its not like the NCR doesn't have access to things like energy weapons and pulse/plasma grenades. And the terrain surrounding Helios One again, really suits the besieging force.
 

Husky_Khan

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Okay so there is a video of the NCR versus the Brotherhood at Helios One.



So much pew pew'ing. Brotherhood had the advantage here in being able to unnaturally chokepoint the NCR due to spawnpoints of course. But imagining fifteen to twenty service rifles plinking at each Brotherhood trooper... plus the Rangers and other more elite units, and attacking on a more broad front, things would scale from bad to worse for the Defenders.
 

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