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[Poe]

Don't know if you've realize, but the US general electorate doesn't want the bolded line, and frankly if you want that, just move back to where ever it was you originally came from and elect or install one there.

Stop acting like your Latin American-style of strongman politics and limiting the franchise to only favored groups will fly in the US.

Also, great to know you want to remove the ability to vote from anyone not of your favored groups, including many of your current allies.

You act as if the US has always had universal suffrage and that isn't a recent phenomenon. Even at the start of the nation we already had 150 years of limited suffrage. Even after the founding it was limited only to land owning males over 25 until the time of Andrew Jackson. It's a perfectly valid position to think the vote should be limited to a subset of the population and it doesn't make one anti-Republican nor is it an unamerican viewpoint. Not everyone is a democrat and telling people who aren't to "go back" is a cringe take.

 

[Bacle]

You act as if the US has always had universal suffrage and that isn't a recent phenomenon. Even at the start of the nation we already had 150 years of limited suffrage. Even after the founding it was limited only to land owning males over 25 until the time of Andrew Jackson. It's a perfectly valid position to think the vote should be limited to a subset of the population and it doesn't make one anti-Republican nor is it an unamerican viewpoint. Not everyone is a democrat and telling people who aren't to "go back" is a cringe take.

And this pretends removing the vote from most of the legal electorate is a viable or smart move in the current political climate and in the modern era.

I told him we don't want a Latin American strongman ruler, which he very much seems to want for the US, if he doesn't like that US electorate doesn't want that, maybe he should go back to his birth nation and try to unfuck it from the inside, instead of being a political refugee here?

I mean shit, with Milie a thing now, and the crack downs on gangs in other LA nations, there is no better time for ex-pats from Latin American countries to go back and start removing the poison from the inside.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

You act as if the US has always had universal suffrage and that isn't a recent phenomenon. Even at the start of the nation we already had 150 years of limited suffrage. Even after the founding it was limited only to land owning males over 25 until the time of Andrew Jackson. It's a perfectly valid position to think the vote should be limited to a subset of the population and it doesn't make one anti-Republican nor is it an unamerican viewpoint. Not everyone is a democrat and telling people who aren't to "go back" is a cringe take.

Pretty much this.

We do not live in a democracy, the very people who founded this country never intended for universal enfranchisement and pretending otherwise seems really I dunno, weird to me.

And this pretends removing the vote from most of the legal electorate is a viable or smart move in the current political climate and in the modern era.

Smart move...optics cucking is why the US is a borderline communist country right now.

I told him we don't want a Latin American strongman ruler, which he very much seems to want for the US, if he doesn't like that US electorate doesn't want that, maybe he should go back to his birth nation and try to unfuck it from the inside, instead of being a political refugee here?

Really? Because thats exactly what Obama was, just left wing and he was pretty damn popular until the very end when the masses who never should have been allowed to vote in the first place, finally realized they voted away their liberty to elect a leftwing caudillo.

Biden's coup was entirely possible because a large minority of liberal animals in the suburbs wanted a return to their days of ascent no matter the cost.

I mean shit, with Milie a thing now, and the crack downs on gangs in other LA nations, there is no better time for ex-pats from Latin American countries to go back and start removing the poison from the inside.

Funny how leftoids always tell you to fuck off hack home. Rightwingers minus ethnonats don't even do that.

 

[Bacle]

Pretty much this.

We do not live in a democracy, the very people who founded this country never intended for universal enfranchisement and pretending otherwise seems really I dunno, weird to me.

Because no one outside the radical fringes of either side thinks removing the vote from people who can legally vote now, and only giving the vote to landowners and business holders is a moronic fantasy even worse than the 'we can make it the 1950's again if we really try' stupidity by tradcons.

Smart move...optics cucking is why the US is a borderline communist country right now.

It's not 'optics cucking' to know what won't work, and what will only work in fantasies of the fringiest of tradcons.

Really? Because thats exactly what Obama was, just left wing and he was pretty damn popular until the very end when the masses who never should have been allowed to vote in the first place, finally realized they voted away their liberty to elect a leftwing caudillo.

Biden's coup was entirely possible because a large minority of liberal animals in the suburbs wanted a return to their days of ascent no matter the cost.

No, Obama wasn't a LA-style ruler, he was a charming, well spoken, erudite Senator from Chicago who knew how to work with the American electorate and how to do modern media messaging.

Obama didn't have to strongman his way in, he got in because people believed his message of 'Hope', and because the GOP ran two of it's worst options for candidates against him.

Funny how leftoids always tell you to fuck off hack home. Rightwingers minus ethnonats don't even do that.

I've seen plenty of Right-wingers mention how 'brain-drain' from places to the 'relief valve' that is the US keeps people from solving problems in their own home countries, and allows the rulers to just 'export' problems to the US that might have toppled their rule at home.

So yeah, you want a LA-style dictator/strongman as a ruler, why not go back home and put one in for your home country and fix things for your native land, instead of trying to make the US into a LA-style strongman nation.

You complain about so many nations taking advantage of the US, of sucking us dry and we should not care for them, yet we let your ass in as some sort of political refugee.

Why not fix your own birth nation, instead of demanding we modify ours to your liking, pendejo.

 

[Poe]

And this pretends removing the vote from most of the legal electorate is a viable or smart move in the current political climate and in the modern era.

Nothing is considered viable until its done and then its seen as inevitable. Its definitely a smart move to at least move the needle back to 25 year old tax payers and that, at least, seems viable in the medium term.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Because no one outside the radical fringes of either side thinks removing the vote from people who can legally vote now, and only giving the vote to landowners and business holders is a moronic fantasy even worse than the 'we can make it the 1950's again if we really try' stupidity by tradcons.

You're wrong. We had a Presidential candidate propose a competency test for enfranchisement and it was a widely popular position.

No, Obama wasn't a LA-style ruler, he was a charming, well spoken, erudite Senator from Chicago who knew how to work with the American electorate and how to do modern media messaging.

Obama didn't have to strongman his way in, he got in because people believed his message of 'Hope', and because the GOP ran two of it's worst options for candidates against him.

First of all he gained prominence in the wake of his party destabilizing the global economy through a manufactured mortgage crisis in the prior decade. He then ran as an outsider, despite having not only deep state roots but blood ties to everyone from the Bush clan to the fucking British royals, his populist rhetoric was an almost word for word plagiarism of Nestor Kirchner's first presidential run- Kirchner a lawyer of similar dubious origins whose wife was a member of one of the most violent leftwing terror groups in Argentine history. Who's law firm was heavily involved in moving money for the Saudis who later hijacked a couple planes.

Much like the Obamas.

Later on, after winning an extremely dubious election wherein he later deported the exact number of voting-age illegals by which he won certain states, he turns the security state loose, runs the economy further into the ground than it already was, and begins throwing hundreds of Americans into black sites. - following the Kirchner-Chavez-Lula playbook which was written by none other than Fidel Castro himself.

Obama was your typical Latam dictator- most strong men aren't like fucking Fidel Castro and Juan Domingo Peron.

Most are like Pedro Eugenio Aramburu whose entire reason for doing what he did was to "restore sanity, democracy and justice".

Sound familiar?

Yeah, you have a Cold War pop culture understanding of where I come from... and the world in general.

We're a quarter of the way through a new century, discard GI Joe and embrace the relentless glowopping of Earth Final Conflict! Take the Boone pill!

So yeah, you want a LA-style dictator/strongman as a ruler, why not go back home and put one in for your home country and fix things for your native land, instead of trying to make the US into a LA-style strongman nation.

No, I want someone more like Juan Manuel De Rosas, who subverted the federal oligarchy against its masters, then proceeded to unfuck Argentina and make it a place so magnificent it inspired Darwin.

I want that for the US, not because I believe in the easy way out, but because I believe we are rapidly approaching a point of no return where either...Americans, by some miracle, pull off a ballot box reform, or I start seeing concentration camps sometime in the next five years, and then a right-wing backlash so titanic it sunders this country and destroys the global economy...maybe forever.

I'd rather a decisive- soft-power right-wing legal tyranny by popular consent ala Taiwan in the 50's and 60's, where the groups responsible for this travesty lose some of their rights for a few generations...than my children being black-bagged by Feds on the way to a nightclub and then taken to a party approved progressive rape camp - the way one of my aunts was abducted, raped, impregnated, then murdered in the 1970s.

I can see what's coming...we're rapidly approaching a point where we have only 3, maybe 4 outcomes, and only two of those are "good," and one of them is the most ideal, but it's looking less and less likely.

Also I'm a fucking US citizen genius this is my homeland now.

Nothing is considered viable until its done and then its seen as inevitable. Its definitely a smart move to at least move the needle back to 25 year old tax payers and that, at least, seems viable in the medium term.

The Vivek Ramaswamy approach.

Which incidentally, has been gaining traction everywhere center-right and right leaning zoomers and alphas get their news.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

All of this by the way, was laid out in something called the Sao Paolo Forum.

Wherein in the Castros outlined their 20 year plan for the Americas....Which incidentally involved coopting the WEF's shit and using that to create a global commie order.

But sure, go on....

 

[King Arts]

Here is the thing nobody will vote for a policy that removes their right to vote directly.

Putting up a proposal so only those who are rich or own companies will be downvoted by everyone else. In the US there is belief in no taxation without representation. That means people shouldn’t have to give and provide to your state and get nothing back from it. Honestly a law like starship troopers where only those who have served is more likely to pass and more just than just giving it to a bunch of rich cocksuckers who were born lucky. I swear the right wing outside of the traditionalists and religious group is made up of fucking cucks who worship the rich.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Here is the thing nobody will vote for a policy that removes their right to vote directly.

Putting up a proposal so only those who are rich or own companies will be downvoted by everyone else. In the US there is belief in no taxation without representation. That means people shouldn’t have to give and provide to your state and get nothing back from it. Honestly a law like starship troopers where only those who have served is more likely to pass and more just than just giving it to a bunch of rich cocksuckers who were born lucky. I swear the right wing outside of the traditionalists and religious group is made up of fucking cucks who worship the rich.

Didn't @The Immortal Watch Dog say he supported tradesmen and small business owners franchise only? That's not "the rich". That's the people most heavily taxed by the system while simultaneously fucked hardest by the system.

You know... taxation without representation. Because they for sure aren't represented at all.

 

[Bacle]

You're wrong. We had a Presidential candidate propose a competency test for enfranchisement and it was a widely popular position.



First of all he gained prominence in the wake of his party destabilizing the global economy through a manufactured mortgage crisis in the prior decade. He then ran as an outsider, despite having not only deep state roots but blood ties to everyone from the Bush clan to the fucking British royals, his populist rhetoric was an almost word for word plagiarism of Nestor Kirchner's first presidential run- Kirchner a lawyer of similar dubious origins whose wife was a member of one of the most violent leftwing terror groups in Argentine history. Who's law firm was heavily involved in moving money for the Saudis who later hijacked a couple planes.

Much like the Obamas.

Later on, after winning an extremely dubious election wherein he later deported the exact number of voting-age illegals by which he won certain states, he turns the security state loose, runs the economy further into the ground than it already was, and begins throwing hundreds of Americans into black sites. - following the Kirchner-Chavez-Lula playbook which was written by none other than Fidel Castro himself.

Obama was your typical Latam dictator- most strong men aren't like fucking Fidel Castro and Juan Domingo Peron.

Most are like Pedro Eugenio Aramburu whose entire reason for doing what he did was to "restore sanity, democracy and justice".

Sound familiar?

Yeah, you have a Cold War pop culture understanding of where I come from... and the world in general.

We're a quarter of the way through a new century, discard GI Joe and embrace the relentless glowopping of Earth Final Conflict! Take the Boone pill! View attachment 1886



No, I want someone more like Juan Manuel De Rosas, who subverted the federal oligarchy against its masters, then proceeded to unfuck Argentina and make it a place so magnificent it inspired Darwin.

I want that for the US, not because I believe in the easy way out, but because I believe we are rapidly approaching a point of no return where either...Americans, by some miracle, pull off a ballot box reform, or I start seeing concentration camps sometime in the next five years, and then a right-wing backlash so titanic it sunders this country and destroys the global economy...maybe forever.

I'd rather a decisive- soft-power right-wing legal tyranny by popular consent ala Taiwan in the 50's and 60's, where the groups responsible for this travesty lose some of their rights for a few generations...than my children being black-bagged by Feds on the way to a nightclub and then taken to a party approved progressive rape camp - the way one of my aunts was abducted, raped, impregnated, then murdered in the 1970s.

I can see what's coming...we're rapidly approaching a point where we have only 3, maybe 4 outcomes, and only two of those are "good," and one of them is the most ideal, but it's looking less and less likely.

Also I'm a fucking US citizen genius this is my homeland now.



The Vivek Ramaswamy approach.

Which incidentally, has been gaining traction everywhere center-right and right leaning zoomers and alphas get their news.

All this shows is that you didn't understand why Obama appealed to many moderates and such a large swath of the nation, and that you somehow think that 'convincing people will vote to remove their own right to vote' is a legit strategy, instead of a farcical delusion.

It shows you are disconnected from the reality most of America lives in, are still viewing the US through the lens of your birth nation's issues, and that you really want to make America into something few Americans would tolerate.

I feel bad about what happened to your aunt, but don't make the mistake of thinking you can prevent that sort of thing in the US by trying to create *soft* 'Right Wing Tyranny'; it won't work, it will cost you allies, and it will burn political capital the GOP/Right cannot afford to waste on such a farce.

And just because you became a political refugee, doesn't mean the US is your home nation; you should be trying to go back an unfuck your birth nation, not change the US into a Right Wing Tyranny because you hate anyone Left of Reagan.

The US isn't your nation, it's just your escape plan from unfucking your birth nation, as with so many people who come to the US from the 3rd world.

Just because you are a 'conservative' refugee, doesn't mean that you get to claim the US as your nation, nor does it remove the fact people like you fleeing your birth nations is part of what imports problems to the US for us to deal with.

 

[King Arts]

Didn't @The Immortal Watch Dog say he supported tradesmen and small business owners franchise only? That's not "the rich". That's the people most heavily taxed by the system while simultaneously fucked hardest by the system.

You know... taxation without representation. Because they for sure aren't represented at all.

It’s a claim he made without any thought.
How do you decide what constitutes a small business? The legal definition can be quite a bit bigger than a family mom and pop shop. That means you’d need a broach to identity and manage who is entitled to vote and brings us back to where we are now with him bitching about beurocrwts. Not to mention all the tax fuckery that will go around people manipulating things to go either above or under a certain amount.

No a limit or restriction to the franchise should be easy to identify so a layman could pick it out. Example only men, only veterans, etc. it’s something that can be easily checked and doesn’t need to much paperwork.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Didn't @The Immortal Watch Dog say he supported tradesmen and small business owners franchise only? That's not "the rich". That's the people most heavily taxed by the system while simultaneously fucked hardest by the system.

You know... taxation without representation. Because they for sure aren't represented at all.

Anndd we have a winner...

Weird how he confused plumbers and local food service industry providers with fucking Bill Gates but whatever, Eastern Europe is a disaster, and a local plumber prolly is in the 1% over there.

It’s a claim he made without any thought.

Hardly.

There's a fine difference between say a business run by Americans that employs between 4 and 10,000 people locally, that's directly improving the local economy and servicing the local economy and providing jobs in that town/city/county.

Vs

a multinational run by "global citizens" with a lobby that has a budget bigger than most cities.

All this shows is that you didn't understand why Obama appealed to many moderates and such a large swath of the nation, and that you somehow think that 'convincing people will vote to remove their own right to vote' is a legit strategy, instead of a farcical delusion.

He lied, lied, committed voter fraud, and sold a bill of goods that was entirely fraudulent.

Liberals, idiots, closet communists, and people who hated themselves fell for him, surely. But the rest of us saw exactly what he was and exactly what he represented.

It shows you are disconnected from the reality most of America lives in, are still viewing the US through the lens of your birth nation's issues, and that you really want to make America into something few Americans would tolerate.

No, I'm a great deal more aware than some entitled socialistic malcontent who thinks he can tell me I'm not American, should uproot my family and go back home, and still worships the Federal Government and holds the monstrously ignorant positions you hold.

Oh, and in regards to rolling back the Franchise...yeah, that's an argument we're winning.

Just because you are a 'conservative' refugee, doesn't mean that you get to claim the US as your nation, nor does it remove the fact people like you fleeing your birth nations is part of what imports problems to the US for us to deal with.

By the way, this part and the left of the Reagan part are beyond hilarity.

It shows that you're still, at heart, a metropolitan leftist utterly incapable of understanding the nuance of the other side.

I am not conservative; Reagan's wife was a fucking follower of Thelamism and a groupie of Alistair Crowley's successors, and Reagan unleashed no-fault divorce and amnesty on America.

What in God's name would make you think I'd judge my ideological opposition by a former union boss-simp and his neopagan wife?

I can admire the guy's oratory skills and political acumen and still revile him as a human being.

In any event, you continue to strawman because you never left the political plantation.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

think that 'convincing people will vote to remove their own right to vote' is a legit strategy,

It's a simple solution. Anyone currently able to vote can vote. New voters must meet whatever requirements there are for the Franchise.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

As a general rule, if you offer people revenge, justice, and the ability to own 3 properties on a 50k a year salary, they'll agree to whatever.

The American right has to only A; make the offer and B; actually pay up when the check comes.

Conservatives can't do that, but maybe the American New Right, as represented by MAGA and allegedly repented globalists like Ramaswamy, can.

It's a simple solution. Anyone currently able to vote can vote. New voters must meet whatever requirements there are for the Franchise.

This reduces the problem by about 50% and most would go for it yep.

 

[Bacle]

He lied, lied, committed voter fraud, and sold a bill of goods that was entirely fraudulent.

Liberals, idiots, closet communists, and people who hated themselves fell for him, surely. But the rest of us saw exactly what he was and exactly what he represented.

Not everything he said was a lie, and he knew how to speak to the American people better than the GOP did.

It took Trump to unfuck the GOP media apparatus to any degree, and revamp the party.

No, I'm a great deal more aware than some entitled socialistic malcontent who thinks he can tell me I'm not American, should uproot my family and go back home, and still worships the Federal Government and holds the monstrously ignorant positions you hold.

Ah yes, because I don't hold to your views about US politics and have the same biases of your fringe, I'm a socialist.

I don't worship the Federal gov, but I am not so blinded by ideology or pride as you in terms of how my nation actually functions.

Oh, and in regards to rolling back the Franchise...yeah, that's an argument we're winning.

No you're not, and the fact you think you are shows how delusional you are.

By the way, this part and the left of the Reagan part are beyond hilarity.

It shows that you're still, at heart, a metropolitan leftist utterly incapable of understanding the nuance of the other side.

I am not conservative; Reagan's wife was a fucking follower of Thelamism and a groupie of Alistair Crowley's successors, and Reagan unleashed no-fault divorce and amnesty on America.

What in God's name would make you think I'd judge my ideological opposition by a former union boss-simp and his neopagan wife?

I can admire the guy's oratory skills and political acumen and still revile him as a human being.

In any event, you continue to strawman because you never left the political plantation.

Uh huh, sure, as if I had even heard of much of that before, or as if it mattered to most of the US electorate.

I used Reagan as a an example of how far to the Right you are, and you effectively showed my example was on the nose in your reaction to being compared to Reagan.

It's a simple solution. Anyone currently able to vote can vote. New voters must meet whatever requirements there are for the Franchise.

...you cannot be serious in thinking that is anything close to a good idea or viable political platform.

As a general rule, if you offer people revenge, justice, and the ability to own 3 properties on a 50k a year salary, they'll agree to whatever.

The American right has to only A; make the offer and B; actually pay up when asked.

Conservatives can't do that, but maybe the American New Right, as represented by MAGA and allegedly repented globalists like Ramaswamy, can.



This reduces the problem by about 50% and most would go for it yep.

And here again you show you don't really understand US politics, and have just layered on your birth nation's issues onto the US in your own mind.

No wonder your political ideas are so out of touch with reality, when your own political biases from your homeland have so heavily colored your understanding of US domestic politics.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

And here again you show you don't really understand US politics, and have just layered on your birth nation's issues onto the US in your own mind.

No wonder your political ideas are so out of touch with reality, when your own political biases from your homeland have so heavily colored your understanding of US domestic politics.

I mean, I'm not the one who got hustled by a child-murdering communist who destroyed our healthcare system, blew up American Citizens, and successfully pulled off a soft coup with a senile vichy puppet....but sure, I'm the clueless one.

And never mind that Obama won by doing exactly what I said just with a lot more paraphrasing Mexican and Argentine socialists.

Si Se puede!

I used Reagan as a an example of how far to the Right you are, and you effectively showed my example was on the nose in your reaction to being compared to Reagan.

Also this bit is hilarious...

Reagan wasn't right-wing; he was a fucking repented progressive,culturally conservative with


center-left geopolitical leanings.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

...you cannot be serious in thinking that is anything close to a good idea or viable political platform.

1. There is some definite merit to the idea that voting is a Privilege and worth restricting so that people have to seek it out.

2. Viability is a separate matter entirely and will depend on how you actually want to change the Franchise.

 

[Bacle]

1. There is some definite merit to the idea that voting is a Privilege and worth restricting so that people have to seek it out.

2. Viability is a separate matter entirely and will depend on how you actually want to change the Franchise.

Heinlein is fun to read, but people need to stop thinking 'Service/landownership equal Voting Rights' type plans are worth their time to fantasize about.

It only makes the GOP look worse, like a bunch of Caesar's Legion LARPers mixed with wannabe Crusaders and again reinforce the notion the GOP has no plans for the future except trying to reclaim the 1950's, or worse, by any means necessary.

 

[LordsFire]

Heinlein is fun to read, but people need to stop thinking 'Service/landownership equal Voting Rights' type plans are worth their time to fantasize about.

It only makes the GOP look worse, like a bunch of Caesar's Legion LARPers mixed with wannabe Crusaders and again reinforce the notion the GOP has no plans for the future except trying to reclaim the 1950's, or worse, by any means necessary.

The problem that these policies seek to solve is this:

"How do you incentivize people not to vote for the government to give them free stuff?"

The answer proposed is "By only letting the people who have to pay for that 'free stuff' vote."


What is your proposed solution to the problem?

 

[Bacle]

The problem that these policies seek to solve is this:

"How do you incentivize people not to vote for the government to give them free stuff?"

The answer proposed is "By only letting the people who have to pay for that 'free stuff' vote."


What is your proposed solution to the problem?

You assume I think the current rules on who can vote in the US need to change.

I do not; I only think they need to be enforced s they are already written.

If the GOP/people on the Right cannot offer people something better than the Dems, and want to resort to simply removing the ability of people to vote because they don't vote the way the GOP/Right want, that is wholesale admission of cultural defeat that cannot be realistically reversed, and the worst sort of cope.

Also, tax-cuts are 'gibs' too, even if the GOP doesn't like to admit it, and same with farm aid bills and such; the GOP tries for 'gibs' too, it is just too proud to admit it, while the Dems don't have the same issue in their base and know how to work social programs for political gain better than the GOP.

Deal with the US electorate you have, not the one you wish you had in farcical fantasies.